Re: [Feature Suggestion] UsrMove continued

2012-10-09 Thread Jochen Schmitt
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 02:18:10AM +0300, Serge wrote: * /root was initially on a root partition because 'root' user should be able to login even when all other FS (including /usr) are not mounted. Since now it can't do anything without /usr anyway, /root dir don't have to be in /. I want to

Re: [Feature Suggestion] UsrMove continued

2012-10-09 Thread Jochen Schmitt
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 02:18:10AM +0300, Serge wrote: Obviously this won't go in F18. But it mostly works, you can test it: 0. Get Fedora17 LiveCD 1. Boot it with additional kernel params: selinux=0 systemd.log_level=debug systemd.log_target=console init=/bin/bash 2. When you get the

Re: Packages in need of new maintainers UPDATED LIST

2012-10-09 Thread Matěj Cepl
On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 18:15:52 -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: Because I haven't entirely run kicking and screaming from attempting to package nodejs, I (FAS: patches) will take: Do you think you would be able to make somewhere buildable packages of nodejs (before you can manage to push it to

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/09/2012 04:34 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: rsyslog.service Remind me again of the reason why we are still shipping rsyslog by default now that we have the journal? JBG -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [Feature Suggestion] UsrMove continued

2012-10-09 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
So you make your system incompatible with every other Linux distro out there, and with all existing documentation, but to what end? Tidyness? Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones New in Fedora 11: Fedora Windows cross-compiler. Compile Windows

Building an unpatched Linus kernel as an RPM

2012-10-09 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
Reading: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Building_a_custom_kernel I know how to rebuild the kernel RPM and have done it many times. But I've been asked to reproduce a bug using a completely vanilla unpatched Linus kernel. Do we have a recommended way to do that (but still using RPM)? Rich. --

Re: Building an unpatched Linus kernel as an RPM

2012-10-09 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: Reading: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Building_a_custom_kernel I know how to rebuild the kernel RPM and have done it many times. But I've been asked to reproduce a bug using a completely vanilla unpatched Linus

Re: Packages in need of new maintainers UPDATED LIST

2012-10-09 Thread Tom Hughes
On 09/10/12 07:58, Matěj Cepl wrote: On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 18:15:52 -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: Because I haven't entirely run kicking and screaming from attempting to package nodejs, I (FAS: patches) will take: Do you think you would be able to make somewhere buildable packages of nodejs

Re: Packages in need of new maintainers UPDATED LIST

2012-10-09 Thread Matthias Runge
On 10/09/2012 09:55 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: Do you think you would be able to make somewhere buildable packages of nodejs (before you can manage to push it to Fedora proper)? I haven't managed to build the stack on F18 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ show_bug.cgi?id=863403). Like he did at

Re: [Feature Suggestion] UsrMove continued

2012-10-09 Thread tim.laurid...@gmail.com
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.comwrote: So you make your system incompatible with every other Linux distro out there, and with all existing documentation, but to what end? Tidyness? Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat

Re: Packages in need of new maintainers UPDATED LIST

2012-10-09 Thread Matthias Runge
On 10/09/2012 03:15 AM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: Because I haven't entirely run kicking and screaming from attempting to package nodejs, I (FAS: patches) will take: http-parser -- HTTP request/response parser for C libeio -- Event-based fully asynchronous I/O library And the EPEL branches

Re: Packages in need of new maintainers UPDATED LIST

2012-10-09 Thread Peter Robinson
On 10/03/2012 02:23 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: As a result of FESCO ticket 952*, Lubomir Rintel's 200+ packages are in need of new maintainers. Under normal circumstances we'd simply orphan them all, but given the large number we want to handle this in a more orderly fashion. Please reply to

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/09/2012 07:50 AM, H. Peter Anvin wrote: On 10/09/2012 03:10 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 10/09/2012 04:34 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: rsyslog.service Remind me again of the reason why we are still shipping rsyslog by default now that we have the journal? An undocumented,

Re: [Feature Suggestion] UsrMove continued

2012-10-09 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:13:03AM +0200, tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.comwrote: So you make your system incompatible with every other Linux distro out there, and with all existing documentation, but to what end? Tidyness?

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/09/2012 08:28 AM, H. Peter Anvin wrote: The problem is that they generally get to clean up a system long*after* is has been installed by someone else, crashed, and needs to be recovered. Here you are fighting about libmicrohttpd ( 48KB ) and qrencode-libs ( 46.3KB ) while we have

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/09/2012 08:47 AM, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Yes, I can travel back in time and fix someone else's badly installed server that they are asking me to fix or do forensic analysis of. Brilliant idea. Who does not want to travel back in time? =) JBG -- devel mailing list

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Milan Broz
On 10/09/2012 12:14 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: Well, I am all for minimizing the minimal installation set, and can applaud attempts to continiusly make data avilable where we stand with this and which packages are the worst dependency and size hogs. However, afaics the feature you

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/09/2012 10:24 AM, Milan Broz wrote: But the minimal install (whatever it means) is often used as base for various automatic appliance installs, test systems etc where you want to minimize services and installed libraries (either because of security or because you need simple testbed for

Re: [Feature Suggestion] UsrMove continued

2012-10-09 Thread Tomas Radej
On 10/09/2012 10:13 AM, tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote: I can understand you want to merge dirs there have the same function /bin - /usr/bin, but this has no benefits at all. I am not sure if this has no benefits whatsoever, but I do agree that if you want to keep the compatibility (which

Re: Update mongodb to 2.2.0 (latest release)

2012-10-09 Thread Andrey Ponomarenko
Dan Horák wrote: Troy Dawson píše v Po 08. 10. 2012 v 14:48 -0500: On 10/05/2012 04:43 PM, Troy Dawson wrote: Hello, I have updated mongodb from 2.0.7 to 2.2.0. It is currently going through the normal channels for rawhide and Fedora 18. 10gen has a very good track record for being backwards

replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:58:45AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Like to me rsyslog since the journal is an integrated part of systemd. Because a huge change like replacing traditional logging with journald needs to happen as part of a process, not just because another core program adds

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 12:24:03PM +0200, Milan Broz wrote: - systemd-udev +1 .. udev should really be a separate package again. Also, please stop moving udevd around. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones virt-p2v converts physical machines

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/09/2012 11:53 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: Because a huge change like replacing traditional logging with journald needs to happen as part of a process, not just because another core program adds similar-but-different functionality. Nobody is talking about removing rsyslog or syslog-ng from

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Muayyad AlSadi
use binary format they said, it will be fun they said! On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.comwrote: On 10/09/2012 10:24 AM, Milan Broz wrote: But the minimal install (whatever it means) is often used as base for various automatic appliance installs, test

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread John . Florian
From: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com I personally want to see the documentation releng/fesco has about what the default minimal set, what the process is to have something include,excluded from it and why the packages that exist in it are there in the first place. I too would

rawhide report: 20121009 changes

2012-10-09 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Tue Oct 9 08:15:12 UTC 2012 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [PyKDE] PyKDE-3.16.6-10.fc18.x86_64 requires sip-api(8) = 0:8.1 [PyQt] PyQt-3.18.1-12.fc18.x86_64 requires sip-api(8) = 0:8.1 [almanah]

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 09.10.12 01:00, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: is any current data available about how our minimal footprint got worse/better over time in both terms of packages and disk space, and which packages are to blame for it? If the libmicrohttpd dep really is problematic I am

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 09.10.12 00:34, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote: Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: is any current data available about how our minimal footprint got worse/better over time in both terms of packages and disk space, and which packages are to blame for it?

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 09.10.12 07:10, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: On 10/09/2012 04:34 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: rsyslog.service Remind me again of the reason why we are still shipping rsyslog by default now that we have the journal? For F19 I plan to submit a feature asking for

F-18 Branched report: 20121009 changes

2012-10-09 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Tue Oct 9 09:15:30 UTC 2012 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [almanah] almanah-0.8.0-7.fc18.x86_64 requires libedataserverui-3.0.so.3()(64bit) almanah-0.8.0-7.fc18.x86_64 requires

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 08.10.12 21:00, Ray Strode (halfl...@gmail.com) wrote: Hi, On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: Correct. Note that this is not accessible at all, by default, and mostly a preview for now. Later on we will add http digest auth and

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/09/2012 01:23 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: For F19 I plan to submit a feature asking for not installing syslog by default anymore. I wonder how far I'll get with this before this is shut down by the conservatives... Arguably this should be fixed now in the ReworkPackageGroups feature.

Don't have a cow, man: Fedora 19 naming suggestions are now open. Submit your idea!

2012-10-09 Thread Robyn Bergeron
Greetings and salutations! It is time once again to choose the name for the next release of Fedora. Suggestions for names will be accepted beginning RIGHT THIS SECOND (October 9, 2012), and ending promptly at the end of the day on October 16, 2012 (23:59:59 UTC). So mooove on over, and

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Lennart Poettering wrote: Maybe the definition of the fedora base set needs a bit of updating, given that it considers rdisc, saslauthd, audit, dnsmasq, syslog, wpa supplicant and sendmail basic. For container setups I need nothing of that... (heck! for my

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 09.10.12 12:24, Milan Broz (mb...@redhat.com) wrote: - systemd-cryptsetup (generally, to be able to install system without cryptsetup-device-mapper libs dependences if only plain partitions are used, as they are in VM) - system-readahead - systemd-udev Making

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 09.10.12 13:31, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 12:24:03PM +0200, Milan Broz wrote: - systemd-udev +1 .. udev should really be a separate package again. OK, I'll bite, why? Also, please stop moving udevd around. What is it to you where the

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:29:05PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: I think negotiate-auth would be a really good feature here, since many enterprise deployments use kerberos based SSO in their intranets. well, this is really computers authenticating against computers, not users against

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:23 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 07:10, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: On 10/09/2012 04:34 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: rsyslog.service Remind me again of the reason why we are still shipping rsyslog by default now that we

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:18:25PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: To build such an image I'd really would have preferred not installing the docs. It appears rpm once had a feature for that where you could add excludedocs in rpmrc. This feature seems to have been removed. Why? Can we get that

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:29 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 08.10.12 21:00, Ray Strode (halfl...@gmail.com) wrote: Hi, On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: Correct. Note that this is not accessible at all, by default, and mostly

Re: [Feature Suggestion] UsrMove continued

2012-10-09 Thread Konstantin Ryabitsev
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:13 AM, tim.laurid...@gmail.com tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to Richard, I really don't see the purpose, why does it matter that number of dirs in /. Lot of apps will break if you move /proc or /dev, and if you replace them with symlink in the next 10 years you

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 09.10.12 07:53, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: (Not that I actually already wanted this discussion now, but heck...) On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:58:45AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Like to me rsyslog since the journal is an integrated part of systemd.

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 09.10.12 09:49, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:29:05PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: I think negotiate-auth would be a really good feature here, since many enterprise deployments use kerberos based SSO in their intranets. well, this

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de said: The HTTP thingy is not really how admins should access the logs. They should just use journalctl. So why is it part of the core package instead of a subpackage? -- Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net Systems and Network Administrator -

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:18:25PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: To build such an image I'd really would have preferred not installing the docs. It appears rpm once had a feature for that where you could add excludedocs in rpmrc. This feature

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de said: If people want some pixel-perfect copy of the traditional /var/log/messages, then they should just run journalctl without any args. It's much better than /var/log/messages: How do you read this log when the system is not running

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 09.10.12 09:56, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:23 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 07:10, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: On 10/09/2012 04:34 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: rsyslog.service Remind me again of

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 09.10.12 09:58, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:18:25PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: To build such an image I'd really would have preferred not installing the docs. It appears rpm once had a feature for that where you could add

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 10/09/2012 04:58 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:18:25PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: To build such an image I'd really would have preferred not installing the docs. It appears rpm once had a feature for that where you could add excludedocs in rpmrc. This feature

Re: fedpkg / koji error

2012-10-09 Thread Simone Caronni
On 19 September 2012 00:26, Orion Poplawski or...@cora.nwra.com wrote: On 09/05/2012 08:07 PM, Tom Callaway wrote: Jesse, I'm not sure if you're still the correct upstream here, please correct me if you're not, and I'll send the patch somewhere else. This helps me a lot as well building el

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 09.10.12 10:06, Seth Vidal (skvi...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:18:25PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: To build such an image I'd really would have preferred not installing the docs. It appears rpm once had a

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 09.10.12 09:09, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote: Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de said: If people want some pixel-perfect copy of the traditional /var/log/messages, then they should just run journalctl without any args. It's much better than

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 09.10.12 09:08, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote: Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de said: The HTTP thingy is not really how admins should access the logs. They should just use journalctl. So why is it part of the core package instead of a subpackage?

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 09.10.12 17:14, Panu Matilainen (pmati...@laiskiainen.org) wrote: On 10/09/2012 04:58 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:18:25PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: To build such an image I'd really would have preferred not installing the docs. It appears rpm once had a

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Tom Hughes
On 09/10/12 15:04, Lennart Poettering wrote: h) It's much shorter to type: journalctl than less /var/log/messages. journalctl -n is shorter than tail /var/log/messages. And journalctl -f is shorter than tail -f /var/log/messages. While less helpfully wraps your log lines at the

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Lennart Poettering wrote: --nodocs and tsflags=nodocs ends up with ugly ugly things when you want to do rpm -Va later. nodocs 'works' but not in a pretty way But shouldn't we make it possible to make it work in a pretty way? You'll need to get the packaging team on

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 10/09/2012 05:06 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:18:25PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: To build such an image I'd really would have preferred not installing the docs. It appears rpm once had a feature for that where you could

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Milan Broz
On 10/09/2012 03:42 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 12:24, Milan Broz (mb...@redhat.com) wrote: - systemd-cryptsetup (generally, to be able to install system without cryptsetup-device-mapper libs dependences if only plain partitions are used, as they are in VM) -

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 10/09/2012 05:19 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 17:14, Panu Matilainen (pmati...@laiskiainen.org) wrote: On 10/09/2012 04:58 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:18:25PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: To build such an image I'd really would have preferred

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 04:05:10PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:  On Tue, 09.10.12 09:49, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: allowing regular users to do so. (Commonly currently accomplished by making /var/log/messages owned and readable by the wheel group.) The HTTP thingy

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Panu Matilainen wrote: --nodocs and tsflags=nodocs ends up with ugly ugly things when you want to do rpm -Va later. Err, not. Rpm remembers files that were skipped on purpose and does not whine about them on verification: [root@turre ~]# rpm -U --excludedocs

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 16:12 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 09:56, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:23 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 07:10, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: On 10/09/2012 04:34

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On 10/09/2012 03:19 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: While less helpfully wraps your log lines at the edge of your terminal journalctl unhelpfully truncates them or, if -a is used, makes you use left/right cursor to scroll back and forth in an attempt to read the lines. Especially since it fully

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de said: On Tue, 09.10.12 09:09, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote: Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de said: If people want some pixel-perfect copy of the traditional /var/log/messages, then they should

Re: Packages in need of new maintainers UPDATED LIST

2012-10-09 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On 10/05/2012 01:32 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: mod_python -- An embedded Python interpreter for the Apache HTTP Server Last I heard, this was a dead project. Probably it's time to retire this one in favor of mod_wsgi. v8 -- JavaScript Engine I'm a comaintainer on it, I might as well adopt it.

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Bryn M. Reeves b...@redhat.com said: Agreed: I find this irritating too (and the default SYSTEMD_PAGER _is_ less so I'm not sure how it's being run). Setting PIPE or piping to a pager is even worse - the lines are truncated at 77 chars regardless of the term width so for

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Chris
2012/10/9 Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de: On Tue, 09.10.12 09:09, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote: Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de said: If people want some pixel-perfect copy of the traditional /var/log/messages, then they should just run

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/09/2012 02:12 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 09:56, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:23 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 07:10, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: On 10/09/2012 04:34 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote:

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 04:04:05PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: args. It's much better than /var/log/messages: [many nice things snipped; only responding to ones I have real concerns about.] c) it auto-pages if run on a tty Hmmm. That's not necessarily what people are expecting, but okay.

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Tom Hughes
On 09/10/12 15:35, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: On 10/09/2012 03:19 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: More importantly though, what is the equivalent of fgrep xxx /var/log/messages which is certainly pretty much the most common thing I do on my logs... I can't see any sort of searching in journalctl?

Re: Update mongodb to 2.2.0 (latest release)

2012-10-09 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 10/08/2012 09:48 PM, Troy Dawson wrote: On 10/05/2012 04:43 PM, Troy Dawson wrote: Hello, I have updated mongodb from 2.0.7 to 2.2.0. It is currently going through the normal channels for rawhide and Fedora 18. 10gen has a very good track record for being backwards compatible. According

Re: Update mongodb to 2.2.0 (latest release)

2012-10-09 Thread Troy Dawson
On 10/09/2012 06:23 AM, Andrey Ponomarenko wrote: Dan Horák wrote: Troy Dawson píše v Po 08. 10. 2012 v 14:48 -0500: On 10/05/2012 04:43 PM, Troy Dawson wrote: Hello, I have updated mongodb from 2.0.7 to 2.2.0. It is currently going through the normal channels for rawhide and Fedora 18.

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:18:27AM -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: You'll need to get the packaging team on board with it. I have to say it is pretty much non-existent as a priority to anyone I've spoken with. If we can save space in the minimal cloud image, it seems worth doing to me. Looks like in

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:18:27AM -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: You'll need to get the packaging team on board with it. I have to say it is pretty much non-existent as a priority to anyone I've spoken with. If we can save space in the minimal cloud

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Tom Hughes
On 09/10/12 15:35, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: Agreed: I find this irritating too (and the default SYSTEMD_PAGER _is_ less so I'm not sure how it's being run). I think I understand this now - because I am sudoing to root in order to get journalctl to produce output my LESS environment variable is

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:45:24AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: c) it auto-pages if run on a tty Hmmm. That's not necessarily what people are expecting, but okay. To expand on this: there is a general expectation that non-interactive console tools will return control to the user immediately.

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:45:46PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: Sure, though having just tried that is took 33s to search about a months worth of logs instead of the 0.05s that greping the last months messages took ;-) That's not insignificant (again, goes to sysadmin user experience). Can you

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:18:27AM -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: You'll need to get the packaging team on board with it. I have to say it is pretty much non-existent as a

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:54:41AM -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: If we can save space in the minimal cloud image, it seems worth doing to me. Looks like in the current EC2 instance, it's about 35M (minus a few K for licenses). 35M? That feels a lot like 'meh' to me. A little over 4% of the current

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 04:08:10PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: If we can save space in the minimal cloud image, it seems worth doing to me. Looks like in the current EC2 instance, it's about 35M (minus a few K for licenses). 35M? That feels a lot like 'meh' to me. I believe they're a lot

Re: Update mongodb to 2.2.0 (latest release)

2012-10-09 Thread Troy Dawson
On 10/09/2012 09:51 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 10/08/2012 09:48 PM, Troy Dawson wrote: On 10/05/2012 04:43 PM, Troy Dawson wrote: Hello, I have updated mongodb from 2.0.7 to 2.2.0. It is currently going through the normal channels for rawhide and Fedora 18. 10gen has a very good

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Richard Marko
On 10/09/2012 05:00 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:45:24AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: c) it auto-pages if run on a tty Hmmm. That's not necessarily what people are expecting, but okay. To expand on this: there is a general expectation that non-interactive console

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 05:24:42PM +0200, Richard Marko wrote: Compared to the other things I mentioned this is less important (because hey, sysadmins can learn new ways!), but I wanted to elaborate on where this is coming from. +1. For example swapping action and name parameters for

Asterisk 11 for Fedora 18 (and other future plans for Asterisk in Fedora/EPEL)

2012-10-09 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
Digium released the first release candidate for Asterisk 11 yesterday, with the final release due hopefully sometime this month. I'm therefore going to be updating the Asterisk package in Fedora 18 to the release candidate. Fedora 17 is going to stick with the 10.X series, Fedora 16 is sticking

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Michal Schmidt
On 10/09/2012 04:45 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: On 09/10/12 15:35, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: journalctl | fgrep? This one is pretty fine by me tbh. Sure, though having just tried that is took 33s to search about a months worth of logs instead of the 0.05s that greping the last months messages took ;-)

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/09/2012 03:30 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 05:24:42PM +0200, Richard Marko wrote: Compared to the other things I mentioned this is less important (because hey, sysadmins can learn new ways!), but I wanted to elaborate on where this is coming from. +1. For example

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Michal Schmidt
On 10/09/2012 05:30 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: Yes. Again, you're not the first person I've heard this from. Likewise, needing to fill out the .service extension. In current versions .service is implied if no extension is provided: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39386 Michal --

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:38 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 10/09/2012 03:30 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 05:24:42PM +0200, Richard Marko wrote: Compared to the other things I mentioned this is less important (because hey, sysadmins can learn new ways!), but I

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 17:42 +0200, Michal Schmidt wrote: On 10/09/2012 05:30 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: Yes. Again, you're not the first person I've heard this from. Likewise, needing to fill out the .service extension. In current versions .service is implied if no extension is provided:

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 04:08:10PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: If we can save space in the minimal cloud image, it seems worth doing to me. Looks like in the current EC2 instance, it's about 35M (minus a few K

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:38:42PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Probably changing this is not doable since you have multiple types of units that can have the same name foo.path foo.target foo.service foo.timer etc. But can we tell which the user wants? As I have set from the get go

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/09/2012 03:58 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: Oh come on, you just use a default when it is missing (.service) and require it fully formed for the others. It apparently does that now with [1] And is included in systemd 188 which is in F18+ Michal will need to comment if this one will be

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 11:59:08AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: In current versions .service is implied if no extension is provided: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39386 About time :-) Awesome. And I want to take a moment to thank everyone for listening to these concerns. I'm

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 05:04:44PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 04:08:10PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: If we can save space in the minimal cloud image, it seems worth doing to me. Looks like in the current EC2 instance, it's about 35M (minus a few K for

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/09/2012 04:11 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: Probably changing this is not doable since you have multiple types of units that can have the same name foo.path foo.target foo.service foo.timer etc. But can we tell which the user wants? But ever since 188 it's defaulted to an unit of type

Use of a package?

2012-10-09 Thread Eric H. Christensen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is there any way to determine if anyone is using a particular package in Fedora or EPEL? - -Eric -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQdFEmAAoJEIB2q94CS7PRVBQQAIeimbvI3ncSQaeOQ/va8hhY

minimal install set tuning [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On 10/9/12 9:18 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: From the list of packages this minimal set still installs, that I'd really like to see gone: chkconfig gamin info systemd-sysv chkconfig seems like it could have the 'alternatives' bit split off. I've not investigated this in detail. gamin is

Re: Use of a package?

2012-10-09 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 12:30:30 -0400 Eric H. Christensen spa...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Is there any way to determine if anyone is using a particular package in Fedora or EPEL? Ask them? ;) If you mean any kind of automated way, then no, not really. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP

Re: Use of a package?

2012-10-09 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 12:30:30 -0400, Eric H. Christensen spa...@fedoraproject.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is there any way to determine if anyone is using a particular package in Fedora or EPEL? As a first shot, you might see if there are been bugs filed or

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.10.2012 17:38, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 10/09/2012 03:30 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 05:24:42PM +0200, Richard Marko wrote: Compared to the other things I mentioned this is less important (because hey, sysadmins can learn new ways!), but I wanted to

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