EPEL Fedora 5 updates-testing report

2013-07-16 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 5 Security updates need testing: Age URL 450 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2012-5630/bugzilla-3.2.10-5.el5 345 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2012-6608/Django-1.1.4-2.el5 40

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Ding Yi Chen
- Original Message - On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 02:46:27PM -0600, Eric Smith wrote: I don't actually care whether there's a binary journal or not, but far more of us have real usecases for /var/log/messages, so we shouldn't give up that being available by default. If you use bash

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Ruby on Rails 4.0

2013-07-16 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 15.7.2013 18:31, Bill Nottingham napsal(a): Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Ruby on Rails 4.0 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Ruby_on_Rails_4.0 Change owner(s): Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com, Josef Stříbný jstri...@redhat.com,

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On , Ding Yi Chen wrote: Even if you do, you cannot change the exist tutorial, blog, and forums that refer /var/log/messages. Image the following scenario: Suppose a Fedora newbie (or linux newbie) encounters a problem, most of the search results state: Check /var/log/messages He/She will be

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 07/16/2013 02:56 AM, Ding Yi Chen wrote: Also, most distributions do include it in some way or another, and you do not need to boot systemd to use to it access your journal files. Not true, RHEL 6 and its friends do not include journalctl. So if I want to cover both Fedora default and RHEL

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:53:56 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: Nobody is talking about removing from the distribution entirely and quite frankly administrators that complain about journal have not actually tried it and experienced the flexibility the journactl gives

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 08:18:34PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: But there seems to be the problem that journalctl does not support timezones/UTC time for since/until according to journalctl(1), therefore there does not seem to be a safe way to specify since/until that will even work

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Bastien Nocera
Did you try the right arrow key when running journalctl? - Original Message - Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de said: On Mon, 15.07.13 16:31, Chris Adams (li...@cmadams.net) wrote: Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de said: (also:

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Visible Cloud

2013-07-16 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:21:11PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:40:18 -0400 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 05:05:47PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: IMHO a publicised security update policy for cloud images should be a 'must

Re: F20 System Wide Change: SSD cache

2013-07-16 Thread Florian Weimer
On 07/15/2013 09:25 PM, Conrad Meyer wrote: By default, bcache runs a write-through cache -- it only caches clean data. If the caching SSD dies, the bcache layer can just forward requests to spinning drive. No data is lost. (Bcache has a writeback mode where data loss is possible. I do not

Re: Hard link to root-owned file now fails (since Fedora 19)

2013-07-16 Thread Florian Weimer
On 07/15/2013 07:32 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Why? Without it, it's possible to exploit certain weaknesses to make /etc/shadow word-readable or worse, for example. Hard links are fundamentally incompatible with the way we run SELinux, and this change mitigates that issue to some

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Visible Cloud

2013-07-16 Thread Florian Weimer
On 07/15/2013 12:22 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: 1. Refactoring of the Fedora web site to put the cloud image on equal footing with the desktop image download. The new F19 cloud images page [2] is very nice thanks to the hard work of the web team, but unfortunately, in order to find it, one has

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-16 Thread Bastien Nocera
If phones and tablets aren't the primary focus, what is? Development boards, for the sake of running Fedora ARM on something? Server systems that don't exist yet (or aren't widely available[1])? I'm interested in Fedora on phones, tablets, tiny dongly media centers, set-top boxes, Wi-Fi

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Visible Cloud

2013-07-16 Thread Florian Weimer
On 07/15/2013 12:34 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: I'm not suggesting we need to rebuild images for every update, but at a minimum, when we issue CVE / security errata that affects an image, I'd expect us to also rebuild and publish new cloud images pretty much synchronously. Secure Boot

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Florian Weimer
On 07/15/2013 11:28 PM, Eric Smith wrote: Microsoft uses binary logs also, and they are really awful. Maybe your binary journal is far better than MS' logs, IIRC, the main issue with the Windows system event files is that in order to interpret the binary data, you need DLLs provided by the

F20 Self Contained Change: DNSSEC support for FreeIPA

2013-07-16 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Proposed Self Contained Change: DNSSEC support for FreeIPA = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IPAv3DNSSEC Change owner(s): Petr Špaček pspa...@redhat.com FreeIPA with integrated DNS server will support serving of DNSSEC secured zones. == Detailed description == DNS server integrated

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 15 juillet 2013 15:47, Lennart Poettering a écrit : There's the general problem that once /var is read-only we cannot really store logs anywhere anymore that survive the reboot. On our TODO list is to optionally store all logs generated beyond that point in some UEFI variable, and

Re: Hard link to root-owned file now fails (since Fedora 19)

2013-07-16 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:42:10AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: On 07/15/2013 07:32 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Why? Without it, it's possible to exploit certain weaknesses to make /etc/shadow word-readable or worse, for example. Hard links are fundamentally incompatible with the way

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 15 juillet 2013 20:09, Till Maas a écrit : Also it is sad that journalctl does not directly accept ISO 8601 time specifications (I can open a bug if there is a changes it will be implemented). +100 not using iso 8601 by default nowadays is insane, I've been slowly moving all the bits

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Visible Cloud

2013-07-16 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:47:28AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: On 07/15/2013 12:22 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: 1. Refactoring of the Fedora web site to put the cloud image on equal footing with the desktop image download. The new F19 cloud images page [2] is very nice thanks to the hard work

Re: F20 System Wide Change: SSD cache

2013-07-16 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - Tomasz Torcz (to...@pipebreaker.pl) said: On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 09:17:56AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:56 AM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: SSD cache =

F20 System Wide Change: Change Packaging Guidelines to discourage requires into /bin and /sbin

2013-07-16 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Proposed System Wide Change: Change Packaging Guidelines to discourage requires into /bin and /sbin = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoBinDeps Change owner(s): Ales Kozumplik a...@redhat.com Disallow dependencies on files under /bin, /sbin, /lib and /lib64. == Detailed description

F20 System Wide Change: Unversioned Docdirs

2013-07-16 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Proposed System Wide Change: Unversioned Docdirs = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/UnversionedDocdirs Change owner(s): Ville Skyttä ville.sky...@iki.fi Install package specific documentation to an unversioned subdir in /usr/share/doc. == Detailed description == Change the per package

F20 Self Contained Change: Transitive Trusts with Active Directory support for FreeIPA

2013-07-16 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Proposed Self Contained Change: Transitive Trusts with Active Directory support for FreeIPA = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IPAv3TransitiveTrusts Change owner(s): Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com and the desktop SIG FreeIPA will support transitive trusts with Active Directory ==

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Transitive Trusts with Active Directory support for FreeIPA

2013-07-16 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - = Proposed Self Contained Change: Transitive Trusts with Active Directory support for FreeIPA = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IPAv3TransitiveTrusts Change owner(s): Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com and the desktop SIG Sorry for copy/paste error,

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-16 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bastien Nocera bnoc...@redhat.com wrote: If phones and tablets aren't the primary focus, what is? Development boards, for the sake of running Fedora ARM on something? Server systems that don't exist yet (or aren't widely available[1])? They're not the primary

F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

2013-07-16 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Proposed System Wide Change: Web Assets = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Web_Assets Change owner(s): T.C. Hollingsworth tchollingswo...@gmail.com Traditionally, Fedora has been pushing bits from its various servers to people's browsers in an ad-hoc fashion, and issues surrounding

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Unversioned Docdirs

2013-07-16 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 07/16/2013 12:28 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: == Detailed description == Change the per package documentation directory in /usr/share/doc to unversioned, just containing the package's name (previously it contained both the package's name and its version). rpmbuild already has support for this,

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Unversioned Docdirs

2013-07-16 Thread Christopher Meng
What's the advantages exactly? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Unversioned Docdirs

2013-07-16 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 06:55:37PM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: What's the advantages exactly? If a package installs HTML docs into /usr/share/doc/name-version and you want to bookmark that in your web browser, then your bookmarks break everytime the RPM is updated :-( You could of course fix

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-16 Thread drago01
On Monday, July 15, 2013, Rob Clark robdcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/11/2013 10:41 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Kernel, glibc, all the core library

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Unversioned Docdirs

2013-07-16 Thread Christopher Meng
在 2013-7-16 PM7:00,Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com写道: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 06:55:37PM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: What's the advantages exactly? If a package installs HTML docs into /usr/share/doc/name-version and you want to bookmark that in your web browser, then your

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Unversioned Docdirs

2013-07-16 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Miroslav Suchý msu...@redhat.com wrote: Why? See the Benefit to Fedora section. This will allow to have foo-9.8.4 installed together with foo-doc-1.0.0. In other words, user can have pretty outdated documentation. Or new documentation and outdated code.

F20 Self Contained Change: X2Go

2013-07-16 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Proposed Self Contained Change: X2Go = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/X2Go Change owner(s): Orion Poplawski orion at nwra dot com The X2Go [1] project has taken over development of the old NX libraries and has developed new clients and server code around it. We will move to use the

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Unversioned Docdirs

2013-07-16 Thread Florian Weimer
On 07/16/2013 01:15 PM, Ville Skyttä wrote: Yes, and like said in the proposal, it's not limited to HTML and browser bookmarking. Cross referencing other packages' docs (from other HTML or plain text docs, scripts, code, systemd unit Documentation= or whatever) is similarly affected. For one

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 16.07.13 08:34, Frank Murphy (frankl...@gmail.com) wrote: On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:53:56 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: Nobody is talking about removing from the distribution entirely and quite frankly administrators that complain about journal have not

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 16.07.13 11:37, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote: Le Lun 15 juillet 2013 15:47, Lennart Poettering a écrit : There's the general problem that once /var is read-only we cannot really store logs anywhere anymore that survive the reboot. On our TODO list is to

F20 Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm

2013-07-16 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Proposed Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Plasma-nm Change owner(s): Jan Grulich jgrul...@redhat.com, Lukáš Tinkl lti...@redhat.com Replace current network applet in KDE with a new one and bring the latest news in NetworkManager to KDE. == Detailed

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Change Packaging Guidelines to discourage requires into /bin and /sbin

2013-07-16 Thread Christopher Meng
Sounds great. But I think a lot of packages have relationship with icon cache need to be updated. Do we need to fix it by automated script or let packagers finish? Thanks. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 16.07.13 02:27, Ding Yi Chen (dc...@redhat.com) wrote: And you want to do the system wide search and replace all the 3rd party programs, scripts, and documents that mentioned /var/log/messages? Even if you do, you cannot change the exist tutorial, blog, and forums that refer

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 16 juillet 2013 13:25, Lennart Poettering a écrit : On Tue, 16.07.13 11:37, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote: Le Lun 15 juillet 2013 15:47, Lennart Poettering a écrit : There's the general problem that once /var is read-only we cannot really store logs

Re: Hard link to root-owned file now fails (since Fedora 19)

2013-07-16 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 10:42 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: FWIW this change caused a segfault in OpenStack This phrase is very dramatic. I'd say triggered a double free in an untested libguestfs error path is more accurate and less dramatic. Really it had nothing to do with hard links at

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Florian Weimer
On 07/16/2013 08:27 AM, Ding Yi Chen wrote: And you want to do the system wide search and replace all the 3rd party programs, scripts, and documents that mentioned /var/log/messages? Even if you do, you cannot change the exist tutorial, blog, and forums that refer /var/log/messages. They

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 16.07.13 09:42, Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) wrote: journalctl only supports local time specifications when you specify calendar times. Unfortunately there's no nice API to map calendar times that include time zone specifications back to UTC, in particular because the time

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Developer Assistant GUI

2013-07-16 Thread Petr Hracek
Because of developer assistant (command line utility) contains assistants and user would like to create their own assistants some GUI for helping with creating assistants would be fine. Developer assistant (command line tool) already supports yaml checker command line utility for checking

F20 Self Contained Change: FreeIPA OTP UI

2013-07-16 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Proposed Self Contained Change: FreeIPA OTP UI = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IPAv3OTPUI Change owner(s): Nathaniel McCallum npmccal...@fedoraproject.org FreeIPA will gain a user interface for managing users' OTP tokens. == Detailed description == In Fedora 19 we introduced

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm

2013-07-16 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:25 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Plasma-nm Change owner(s): Jan Grulich jgrul...@redhat.com, Lukáš Tinkl lti...@redhat.com Replace current network applet in KDE with a new one

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 16.07.13 11:49, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote: Le Lun 15 juillet 2013 20:09, Till Maas a écrit : Also it is sad that journalctl does not directly accept ISO 8601 time specifications (I can open a bug if there is a changes it will be implemented). +100

Re: cloud images and journald/rsyslog

2013-07-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 18:39 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: I'm also pretty well sold on the idea that journald is better on the desktop. But that's not my thing. I agree. I would also like to stop the double-logging on the desktop. We're working on a graphical journal frontend now, and we will

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Change Packaging Guidelines to discourage requires into /bin and /sbin

2013-07-16 Thread Björn Persson
Related FPC ticket [1]: FPC wanted this change to be created. Oh really? [1] https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/314 In that ticket I see one FPC member being for and two being against the change. Björn Persson signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-16 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bastien Nocera bnoc...@redhat.com wrote: If phones and tablets aren't the primary focus, what is? Development boards, for the sake of running Fedora ARM on something? Server systems that don't exist yet (or aren't widely

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 16.07.13 13:38, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote: So yeah, you could say that journald will 'ignore' the file. But journalctl won't, it will show them to you. And that's *good* that way. That's how it *should* be. However even if that's the case that means some

Re: Hard link to root-owned file now fails (since Fedora 19)

2013-07-16 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On 07/16/2013 12:41 PM, Colin Walters wrote: On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 10:42 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: FWIW this change caused a segfault in OpenStack This phrase is very dramatic. I'd say triggered a double free in an untested libguestfs error path is more accurate and less dramatic.

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:22:07 +0200 Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: but as a test do: echo | journalctl -x --no-pager --since-today | mailx -s Today's Journal user (real isp email ) What's the echo | supposed to do? For some reason first few emails, without it had

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

2013-07-16 Thread Björn Persson
I think it's good to establish saner ways to package Javascript and stuff, but this part puzzles me: Additionally the following symlinks will be provided: * /usr/share/javascript - /usr/share/assets/javascript * /usr/share/fonts - /usr/share/assets/fonts (so any Fedora font package can be

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

2013-07-16 Thread Tom Hughes
On 16/07/13 13:21, Björn Persson wrote: Additionally the following symlinks will be provided: * /usr/share/javascript - /usr/share/assets/javascript * /usr/share/fonts - /usr/share/assets/fonts (so any Fedora font package can be used as a web font) So all the fonts would be moved from

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 16.07.13 13:11, Frank Murphy (frankl...@gmail.com) wrote: You do understand that this: But -x is one of the good benefits. Giving explanation. and this: size matters, when on 3G-internet. They have maybe 5-10gb p\m. depending on plan. are directly contradicting: you first pump up

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-16 Thread Peter Robinson
They're not the primary focus of mainline Fedora either. We're CURRENTLY focusing on development boards (100s of examples), desktop like systems (Trimslice and other similar systems), netbooks/laptop style systems and the various media centre style devices (STB/media sticks etc), and servers.

Fedora 19 for IBM System z 64bit official release

2013-07-16 Thread Dan Horák
Hello everyone, Fedora 19 GA release for the IBM System z is here. This time two weeks later than the primary mainly because me being on vacation. It's hard for me to take time off work when there are always some deadlines in sight :-) And again we are closer to primary when we count the number

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 01:25:54PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 16.07.13 11:37, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote: Le Lun 15 juillet 2013 15:47, Lennart Poettering a écrit : There's the general problem that once /var is read-only we cannot really

rawhide report: 20130716 changes

2013-07-16 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Tue Jul 16 08:15:02 UTC 2013 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [MUMPS] MUMPS-4.10.0-9.fc20.i686 requires libmpi_f77.so.1 MUMPS-4.10.0-9.fc20.x86_64 requires libmpi_f77.so.1()(64bit)

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 01:25:54PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: I am pretty sure that is just a misunderstanding. Note that journald (i.e. the *server* side) will immediately move away (i.e. rotate) all journal files that it finds have not been set to offline when it starts up before

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-16 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:00 +0200, drago01 wrote: It is getting a bit off the topic, but this it isn't really a problem with mesa. But rather that we have non-gallium closed src drivers from the GPU vendors in the ARM space, which only support GLES. And most/all of the desktop stuff

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 14:26:48 +0200 Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Tue, 16.07.13 13:11, Frank Murphy (frankl...@gmail.com) wrote: You do understand that this: But -x is one of the good benefits. Giving explanation. and this: size matters, when on 3G-internet.

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

2013-07-16 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On 7/16/13, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 16/07/13 13:21, Björn Persson wrote: Additionally the following symlinks will be provided: * /usr/share/javascript - /usr/share/assets/javascript * /usr/share/fonts - /usr/share/assets/fonts (so any Fedora font package can be used as a web

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-16 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - They're not the primary focus of mainline Fedora either. We're CURRENTLY focusing on development boards (100s of examples), desktop like systems (Trimslice and other similar systems), netbooks/laptop style systems and the various media centre style devices

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-16 Thread drago01
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:00 +0200, drago01 wrote: It is getting a bit off the topic, but this it isn't really a problem with mesa. But rather that we have non-gallium closed src drivers from the GPU vendors in the ARM

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-16 Thread Peter Robinson
Any image that wants to use a kernel that is a non upstream mainline Fedora kernel ships as a remix. This is the rootfs for F18 (I started work on that before F19 got out): We no longer support a rootfs tarball because it caused more problems than it solved. I'm happy to create a remix

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Visible Cloud

2013-07-16 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:47:28AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: Do these images support instance data injection by default? Then we need to make absolutely clear that it's unsafe to run them outside an environment that filters instance data injection requests. For example, these images must

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Visible Cloud

2013-07-16 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:58:52AM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Cloud-init is reasonably careful about where it gets the data from. By default it looks first for a config drive (a specially formatted block device which has to be explicitly added to the VM), and then secondly for a

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Visible Cloud

2013-07-16 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:22:30AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:58:52AM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Cloud-init is reasonably careful about where it gets the data from. By default it looks first for a config drive (a specially formatted block device which has

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 02:27:24AM -0400, Ding Yi Chen wrote: And you want to do the system wide search and replace all the 3rd party programs, scripts, and documents that mentioned /var/log/messages? http://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=%2Fvar%2Flog%2Fmessages Bam! Done! :) Even if you

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Change Packaging Guidelines to discourage requires into /bin and /sbin

2013-07-16 Thread Jan Zelený
On 16. 7. 2013 at 13:57:02, Björn Persson wrote: Related FPC ticket [1]: FPC wanted this change to be created. Oh really? [1] https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/314 In that ticket I see one FPC member being for and two being against the change. Yeah, the original message from Ales

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org said: One suggestion I've heard is to write this line: Jan 1 00:00:00 localhost root: Run `journalctl` to see log data in /var/log/messages-compatible format That would be a bad idea, as then you'd have an RPM-installed

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm

2013-07-16 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 12:52 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:25 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Plasma-nm Change owner(s): Jan Grulich jgrul...@redhat.com, Lukáš Tinkl

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 09:51:08AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: One suggestion I've heard is to write this line: Jan 1 00:00:00 localhost root: Run `journalctl` to see log data in /var/log/messages-compatible format That would be a bad idea, as then you'd have an RPM-installed

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-16 Thread Rob Clark
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:00 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013, Rob Clark robdcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/11/2013

Re: Hard link to root-owned file now fails (since Fedora 19)

2013-07-16 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 01:07:40PM +0100, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: On 07/16/2013 12:41 PM, Colin Walters wrote: On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 10:42 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: FWIW this change caused a segfault in OpenStack This phrase is very dramatic. I'd say triggered a double free in

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-16 Thread drago01
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Rob Clark robdcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:00 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013, Rob Clark robdcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 11,

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm

2013-07-16 Thread Lukáš Tinkl
Dne 16.7.2013 16:55, Dan Williams napsal(a): On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 12:52 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:25 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Plasma-nm Change owner(s): Jan Grulich

systemd network-online.target question

2013-07-16 Thread Kaleb KEITHLEY
I need glusterd to start before any _netdev mounts (NFS or glusterfs) take place. reading the system.special man page it talks about ...pulling in network-online.target and order themselves after it. Would adding a Before=network-online.target to the glusterd.service be the right thing to

Re: systemd network-online.target question

2013-07-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 16.07.13 11:12, Kaleb KEITHLEY (kkeit...@redhat.com) wrote: I need glusterd to start before any _netdev mounts (NFS or glusterfs) take place. reading the system.special man page it talks about ...pulling in network-online.target and order themselves after it. Would adding a

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: FreeIPA OTP UI

2013-07-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:48 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: FreeIPA OTP UI = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IPAv3OTPUI Change owner(s): Nathaniel McCallum npmccal...@fedoraproject.org FreeIPA will gain a user interface for managing users' OTP tokens.

Re: Fedora 19 for IBM System z 64bit official release

2013-07-16 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2013/7/16 Dan Horák d...@danny.cz: Hello everyone, Hi, Sorry for offtopic, Fedora 19 GA release for the IBM System z is here. This time two weeks later than the primary mainly because me being on vacation. It's hard for me to take time off work when there are always some deadlines in

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Change Packaging Guidelines to discourage requires into /bin and /sbin

2013-07-16 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:24:17PM +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: Change Packaging Guidelines to discourage requires into /bin and /sbin = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoBinDeps Change owner(s): Ales Kozumplik a...@redhat.com Disallow dependencies

Re: Hard link to root-owned file now fails (since Fedora 19)

2013-07-16 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 15:59 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I'm not even sure how to do that because we want the atomic behaviour of hard links, and we want to have qemu running as a different user (for security, oh the irony), so there's no other obvious way to code it. Can you link to or

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 04:21:43PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 16.07.13 14:41, Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 01:25:54PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: I am pretty sure that is just a misunderstanding. Note that journald (i.e. the

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: FreeIPA OTP UI

2013-07-16 Thread Alexander Bokovoy
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:48 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: FreeIPA OTP UI = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IPAv3OTPUI Change owner(s): Nathaniel McCallum npmccal...@fedoraproject.org FreeIPA will gain a user

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Change Packaging Guidelines to discourage requires into /bin and /sbin

2013-07-16 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:24:17PM +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: Change Packaging Guidelines to discourage requires into /bin and /sbin = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoBinDeps == Scope == Proposal owners: None Other developers: replace all

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Visible Cloud

2013-07-16 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 10:55:40 +0200 Florian Weimer fwei...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/15/2013 12:34 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: I'm not suggesting we need to rebuild images for every update, but at a minimum, when we issue CVE / security errata that affects an image, I'd expect us to also

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 01:43:04PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 16.07.13 09:42, Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) wrote: journalctl only supports local time specifications when you specify calendar times. Unfortunately there's no nice API to map calendar times that include

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 16.07.13 17:57, Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) wrote: Will journalctl also mention that there is a broken jorunal file? Does it support to fsck the journal or to show the not properly referenced data to the admin? journalctl will not show you that, but libraries do see

Re: dracut hang in %posttrans of Rawhide kernel install?

2013-07-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 12:42 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 08:30 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 00:09:26 -0700, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: Has anyone else seen this? Any ideas on the cause, for a bug report? I didn't see

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 06:09:54PM +0200, Till Maas wrote: Btw. can journalctl output ISO 8601 dates instead of the US formated date without a year? I really expected journalctl to cleanup this as well. That would be nice, ”journalctl” output would match rsyslog: % tail -1

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread drago01
journalctl -n 1 ? On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 06:09:54PM +0200, Till Maas wrote: Btw. can journalctl output ISO 8601 dates instead of the US formated date without a year? I really expected journalctl to cleanup this as

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 16.07.13 18:26, Tomasz Torcz (to...@pipebreaker.pl) wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 06:09:54PM +0200, Till Maas wrote: Btw. can journalctl output ISO 8601 dates instead of the US formated date without a year? I really expected journalctl to cleanup this as well. That would

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 06:33:23PM +0200, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 06:09:54PM +0200, Till Maas wrote: Btw. can journalctl output ISO 8601 dates instead of the US formated date without a year? I really

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 06:39:53PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 16.07.13 18:26, Tomasz Torcz (to...@pipebreaker.pl) wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 06:09:54PM +0200, Till Maas wrote: Btw. can journalctl output ISO 8601 dates instead of the US formated date without a year?

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 16.07.13 18:09, Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 01:43:04PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 16.07.13 09:42, Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) wrote: journalctl only supports local time specifications when you specify calendar times.

Re: Hard link to root-owned file now fails (since Fedora 19)

2013-07-16 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:50:10AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 15:59 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I'm not even sure how to do that because we want the atomic behaviour of hard links, and we want to have qemu running as a different user (for security, oh the

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