On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:52 AM, James Antill wrote:
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 01:36 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
My point is that there are plenty of users who want the current updates or
even more updates.
Citation needed
Just a few out of so many:
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
this is a *terrible* idea. We may see users as a 'resource', but they
don't see themselves this way. We should not interrupt their usage of
their computer to try and exploit them to our ends.
What if it was an opt-in
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:52:53AM -0500, James Antill wrote:
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 01:36 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
, those users have very few choices
And, again, you are wrong.
Rawhide and Debian unstable are both the obvious choices, Gentoo is
still used by some I think. A little
On 26 February 2010 19:25, Kevin Kofler wrote:
[..]
Well, as I wrote, the packager should have tested the package he's pushing
out, of course! Especially for a new package, it's the only way to know it
works. Something that doesn't work at all has no business being pushed to
anywhere, even
On 26 February 2010 19:58, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:26:59 -0500, Orcan wrote:
Another annoying issue is updates with no explanations. There is a
Notes field in bodhi that many people just ignore for an unknown
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 03:54:02PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
b. Given a, I would say people should stop posting to this thread. If
you have a better updates policy in mind, perhaps you could draft up a
proposal for what you think it should be? Or wait for a real proposal
to comment on?
Since
Chris Adams wrote:
IMHO you're developing the wrong distro. It is statements like yours
that contribute to the Fedora is a rolling beta perception (and I
don't think that's a good perception to have). If you want to target
rawhide with rolling releases of KDE, have fun. Once a release is
James Antill wrote:
And, again, you are wrong.
Rawhide and Debian unstable are both the obvious choices, Gentoo is
still used by some I think. A little more work with a little more
stability then gives you Debian testing and now moving to the latest
Fedora pre-releases.
Yes, those options
Orion Poplawski wrote:
There is plenty of room for something in between your vision of Fedora
and CentOS.
But that room is filled by other distros, such as Ubuntu. Why do we need to
be another Ubuntu?
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Oh, and by the way:
Orion Poplawski wrote:
There is plenty of room for something in between your vision of Fedora
and CentOS.
There is plenty of room for something in between your vision of Fedora
and Rawhide. :-)
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Rakesh Pandit wrote:
About new package point, what about the negative impact of newly
pushed package on distribution as a whole if it breaks to launch or
crashes in some event(produced in some essential functionality) and
was missed by packager/reviewer (2 people) ?
It won't automatically
Paul W. Frields wrote:
How'd it happen? I commented directly in the Bugzilla bugs with the
link and told the subscribers to the bugs that the package would not
be issued until some of them tested it and posted feedback to tell me
their bugs were fixed.
I see why you're doing it, but still,
Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to said:
P.S. I don't use enablerepo. I'll yum install a local copy of the rpm and
see what it needs if it doesn't install successfully.
That seems like extra and unnecessary work. You doesn't do anything
without telling
On Friday 26 February 2010, Till Maas wrote:
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 01:12:53PM -0500, James Antill wrote:
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 17:14 +0100, Till Maas wrote:
Also repoquery returns F12 results but accepts --releasever:
$ repoquery --releasever=rawhide --repoid=fedora kernel
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 03:00:39PM +0200, Ville Skyttä wrote:
On Friday 26 February 2010, Till Maas wrote:
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 01:12:53PM -0500, James Antill wrote:
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 17:14 +0100, Till Maas wrote:
Also repoquery returns F12 results but accepts --releasever:
On Saturday 27 February 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Rakesh Pandit wrote:
About new package point, what about the negative impact of newly
pushed package on distribution as a whole if it breaks to launch or
crashes in some event(produced in some essential functionality) and
was missed by
Till Maas wrote:
Pushing less updates to F(current-1) is probably something many
maintainers can live with. But I have also heard of people using
F(current-1) and feeling like secondary users, because they did not get
the updates that F(current) got.
Yes. IMHO the old stable release deserves
On 02/27/2010 02:08 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Matthew Garrett wrote:
At the point where you have a reported bug, you have a tester.
Not necessarily. Sadly, there are people who report bugs and then don't read
their bugmail, ever. :-(
Also does not apply to
* sporadic bugs.
*
On 26 February 2010 22:54, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote:
- If stable pushes were more restricted, perhaps that would get us more
testing? If someone required a newer version and could easier
install/test from updates-testing and provide feedback, don't we all
win? Perhaps we could have
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Chris Adams wrote:
IMHO you're developing the wrong distro. It is statements like yours
that contribute to the Fedora is a rolling beta perception (and I
don't think that's a good perception to have). If you want to target
rawhide with rolling
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 09:44:11AM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Mike McGrath wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Chris Adams wrote:
IMHO you're developing the wrong distro. It is statements like yours
that contribute to the Fedora is a rolling beta
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 02:55:41PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
New packages which don't Obsolete existing packages or Provide existing
provided names cannot cause any of the above. (They may technically trigger
Special care should be given to the auto-generated Provides. I remember
a
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 08:45 +, Camilo Mesias wrote:
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
this is a *terrible* idea. We may see users as a 'resource', but they
don't see themselves this way. We should not interrupt their usage of
their computer to
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 10:57 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
Sorry, I was replying in haste. I should've made clear that I was
talking more in general, and don't have any specific direct knowledge of
the dnssec case. I know of multiple cases where updates have been pushed
hastily, but I don't
On 02/27/2010 03:13 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:52 AM, James Antill wrote:
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 01:36 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
My point is that there are plenty of users who want the current updates or
even more updates.
Citation needed
Just a few out of so
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 11:41 +0100, Till Maas wrote:
Ok, maybe the question should be then: How much does AutoQA support me
writing these tests? E.g. this test is pretty simple, but afaics there
is no easy support for the common tasks that are needed to run the test,
but not really part of the
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James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org writes:
[...]
Probably the saddest thing about this giant flamewar you've started is
[...]
For what it's worth, I have seen no lack of courtesy from Kevin Kofler
in this thread, so the accusation of flamewarism would be more
appropriately directed to
On 02/27/2010 10:38 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:
in today. Next time a user tells you I want a newer X tell them
Upgrade to rawhide.
-Mike
In my opinion rawhide is NOT a rolling release at all. Please stop
telling people to use rawhide as a rolling release. it isnt.
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On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Till Maas wrote:
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 09:44:11AM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Mike McGrath wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Chris Adams wrote:
IMHO you're developing the wrong distro. It is statements like yours
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Mail Lists wrote:
On 02/27/2010 10:38 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:
in today. Next time a user tells you I want a newer X tell them
Upgrade to rawhide.
-Mike
In my opinion rawhide is NOT a rolling release at all. Please stop
telling people to use rawhide as a
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 13:26 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Oh, and by the way:
Orion Poplawski wrote:
There is plenty of room for something in between your vision of Fedora
and CentOS.
There is plenty of room for something in between your vision of Fedora
and Rawhide. :-)
To quote
Le 27/02/2010 16:28, Rakesh Pandit a écrit :
On 27 February 2010 20:24, Haïkel Guémar wrote:
Branches affected: F-13 and devel
Since OpenCV has deleted few weeks ago the autotools based build system,
we will switch to cmake :
https://code.ros.org/trac/opencv/changeset/2528
[..]
Are you
On Saturday 27 February 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote:
If they Obsolete something else, then they're not really new packages.
I that's the blanket generalization I read it as, I don't agree with it, but
meh.
Well, true, new packages which Provide some common virtual Provides like
On 02/27/2010 04:30 PM, Mail Lists wrote:
an
I do want updates. Kernel updates, for example, are very important -
they carry many improvements - not just drivers but functionality as
well. The ones that are less obvious are the bugs that happen rarely but
that can be nasty (an occasional
Bad timing === unicap package (required by opencv) splitting for F-11+
Current unicap has been splitted into 3 new packages libunicap, libucil
and libunicapgtk, no warnings, no meta-package provided for compatibility.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=567109
Hi,
Is there any particular reason why online recovery is disabled in F11 pgpool-II?
Online recovery is a very important feature (fundamental, must have)
and I have to build pgpool-II just to enable it. Can't it be enabled
in spec?
Regards,
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On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:30:52 -0500,
Mail Lists li...@sapience.com wrote:
[speaking of which where on earth is 2.6.32.9 ]
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=158902
And if you want the latest 2.6.33 build:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=158529
On 02/27/2010 12:33 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:30:52 -0500,
Mail Lists li...@sapience.com wrote:
[speaking of which where on earth is 2.6.32.9 ]
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=158902
And if you want the latest 2.6.33 build:
On 02/27/2010 12:33 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:30:52 -0500,
Mail Lists li...@sapience.com wrote:
[speaking of which where on earth is 2.6.32.9 ]
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=158902
Thank you .. but I really meant where are as far
Hello,
i can not import the browser-cert from fedora in to mozilla.
Mozilla says that it can not be imported for unknown reasons.
Can somebody help me?
regards,
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Noticed that the partitioning menu changed some and can be confusing,
esp if doing a dual boot (win 7 and Fedora). A couple things I ran
into, and not sure if bugs or just *how it works*
Setup - 2 HD's, both sata, one has Windows and other has Fedora.
1 - During selection, chose just the HD
On 28 February 2010 00:04, Karel Klic wrote:
Dne 27.2.2010 17:41, Haïkel Guémar napsal(a):
Le 27/02/2010 16:28, Rakesh Pandit a écrit :
Are you kidding ? No *communication* :( At this stage we never wanted
an update for any reason, nor extra work for lot of other folks. Alas
I had some more
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote:
I'm putting my thoughts here... but this is again one of those threads
that has about 500 forks and people nit picking back and forth, so I am
never sure where to do a general reply. ;)
There has been a draft a while ago
On 02/27/2010 01:23 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
Why wouldn't you want try the koji version if you were willing to try an
updates-testing version? If it doesn't work for you, you boot the previous
kernel, pretty much the same as when there is a bad test version.
Me ? I am running koji
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:45:36 -0500, Bill wrote:
To phrase a strawman differently:
No update is pushed to users without verification and testing from
entities
other than the packager.
No, thanks. The popular/high profile packages will get their usual
rushed +1 votes in
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:45:49AM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Till Maas wrote:
Did you read what he wrote? I feel tempted to just copy the paragraph
Kevin wrote again, because it already answers your question: Rawhide is
not partly rolling as Fedora is.
And a typical
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On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 08:43:58PM +0100, Till Maas wrote:
I like it more to have bugs fixed
in F(current) at the cost of not fixing that much bugs in F(current-1)
to keep it stable.
This should read as to have more bugs fixed in F(current) (even at the
cost of maybe introduce regressions).
Hello folks,
the upstream of unicap splitted the unicap package into libunicap, libucil
and libunicapgtk. On run-time they're 100% compatible with unicap, but only
all three new packages together replace the previous unicap package. Thus
none of libunicap, libucil ands libunicapgtk has a provides
2010/2/27 Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com:
Could you please file a bug at bugzilla.redhat.com to make sure trhe
maintainer sees the request?
Done
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=569058
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On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Till Maas wrote:
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:45:49AM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Till Maas wrote:
Did you read what he wrote? I feel tempted to just copy the paragraph
Kevin wrote again, because it already answers your question: Rawhide is
not
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Till Maas wrote:
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:45:49AM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Till Maas wrote:
Did you read what he wrote? I feel tempted to just copy the paragraph
Kevin wrote again, because it already answers your question: Rawhide is
not
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Till Maas wrote:
Afaik the KDE updates work very well and I know a fanatic KDE user who
cannot expect to wait for the next KDE update, because he knows of bugs
that are fixed in it. Usually he does not even need to
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 05:05:54PM -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
About rawhide: rawhide could/should contain more experimental stuff,
such as beta releases or cvs snapshots of actively and frequently
developed software.
Such a repo would be nice, but it won't work for Rawhide as it is,
because
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:05:54 -0500, Orcan wrote:
About rawhide: rawhide could/should contain more experimental stuff,
such as beta releases or cvs snapshots of actively and frequently
developed software.
Why? And what would be the
On 02/27/2010 04:21 PM, Richard Hughes wrote:
On 26 February 2010 22:54, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote:
- If stable pushes were more restricted, perhaps that would get us more
testing? If someone required a newer version and could easier
install/test from updates-testing and provide
On Saturday, 27 February 2010 at 16:44, Mike McGrath wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Mike McGrath wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Chris Adams wrote:
IMHO you're developing the wrong distro. It is statements like yours
that contribute to the Fedora is a rolling beta
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Camilo Mesias cam...@mesias.co.uk wrote:
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
this is a *terrible* idea. We may see users as a 'resource', but they
don't see themselves this way. We should not interrupt their usage of
Hi,
In bugzilla 564095 there is mention of an lirc update, lirc-0.8.6-4.fc12,
that fixes an issue with lirc on 2.6.32 kernels that has been
submitted to updates-testing.
This package does not seem to exist there and the link to its bodhi entry
from the bugzilla page links to an entry for bind ...
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