Re: banshee-1 hang during playing video overnight

2010-05-25 Thread Luming Yu
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Rakesh Pandit wrote: > On 26 May 2010 08:16, Luming Yu wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> I happen to see a banshee-1 hang after it was accidentally left >> repeatedly playing two videos (big-buck-bunny.ogv and kittens.ogv) >> overnight. >> Any insight and suggestions to t

Re: banshee-1 hang during playing video overnight

2010-05-25 Thread Rakesh Pandit
On 26 May 2010 08:16, Luming Yu wrote: > Hi there, > > I happen to see a banshee-1 hang after it was accidentally left > repeatedly playing two videos (big-buck-bunny.ogv and kittens.ogv) > overnight. > Any insight and suggestions to the hang will be very appreciated. > Please report it on bugzill

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-25 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/26/2010 08:32 AM, Casey Dahlin wrote: > > I'd be happy to firm up the design details > with you if you wanted to contribute patches. > I would recommend that noone do that unless Canonical's drops it's flawed copyright license agreement. Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedorapr

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-25 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 05:45:07PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Tue, 25.05.10 10:21, Casey Dahlin (cdah...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > > > On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 09:05:31AM -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: > > > On 05/23/2010 04:19 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > > Lennart Poettering wrote: >

banshee-1 hang during playing video overnight

2010-05-25 Thread Luming Yu
Hi there, I happen to see a banshee-1 hang after it was accidentally left repeatedly playing two videos (big-buck-bunny.ogv and kittens.ogv) overnight. Any insight and suggestions to the hang will be very appreciated. Thanks, Luming ├─bash(2726)───banshee-1(2731)─┬─{banshee-1}(2732) │

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-25 Thread Kevin Kofler
Lennart Poettering wrote: > If we chose to adopt it for F14 it would probably a good idea to have > native files for everything that is installed by default at least. I > have mostly written those files now, so this goal should not be too hard > to reach, if we can convince all the maintainers invo

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-25 Thread Kevin Kofler
Simo Sorce wrote: > I'd like to remember that there are *many* upstreams are going to > resistant to this change. A lot of upstream projects need to be > compatible to a lot of Linux and Unix systems, even old ones, so before > they move they want guarantee that this is really going to be the next

Re: libjpeg for F14

2010-05-25 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ilyes Gouta wrote: > There is one strong point that libjpeg-{6b, 8ab} inherited since it's > been there for a lof time: a *defacto* standard for JPEG > compression/decompression that has been heavily depolyed, used and > tested code for various application/, thoughtout the time, for more > than a d

Re: libjpeg for F14

2010-05-25 Thread Genes MailLists
On 05/25/2010 05:03 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> >>PLease also don't forget the applications which are provided by >> libjpeg such as jpegtran et al .. >> >>Are they all included in the turbo version ? > > Yes. > Thats great! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org h

Re: python-sphinx 1.0 beta 1, with API changes, in Rawhide (was Re: python 1.0 beta 1, with API changes, in Rawhide)

2010-05-25 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
2010/5/26 Michał Piotrowski : > 2010/5/26 David Malcolm : >> On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 01:08 +0200, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: >>> Toshio and I currently have no plans to push this to any stable >>> releases yet, due to API changes. It is likely that 1.0 will be >>> released in time for Fedora 14, s

Re: python-sphinx 1.0 beta 1, with API changes, in Rawhide (was Re: python 1.0 beta 1, with API changes, in Rawhide)

2010-05-25 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/5/26 David Malcolm : > On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 01:08 +0200, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: >> Toshio and I currently have no plans to push this to any stable >> releases yet, due to API changes. It is likely that 1.0 will be >> released in time for Fedora 14, so if you use Sphinx for your >> docu

python-sphinx 1.0 beta 1, with API changes, in Rawhide (was Re: python 1.0 beta 1, with API changes, in Rawhide)

2010-05-25 Thread David Malcolm
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 01:08 +0200, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > Toshio and I currently have no plans to push this to any stable > releases yet, due to API changes. It is likely that 1.0 will be > released in time for Fedora 14, so if you use Sphinx for your > documentation needs, please test it

python 1.0 beta 1, with API changes, in Rawhide

2010-05-25 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
Toshio and I currently have no plans to push this to any stable releases yet, due to API changes. It is likely that 1.0 will be released in time for Fedora 14, so if you use Sphinx for your documentation needs, please test it against Rawhide's Sphinx 1.0 beta and report any migration problem. http

Re: Packages depending on Yelp

2010-05-25 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 16:54 -0400, James Antill wrote: > On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 15:58 -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote: > > An alternative would be to provide a wrapper script that runs yelp if > > present or otherwise tells the user to install it, and have applications > > require the wrapper package.

Re: [Fedora-packaging] shared-mime-info inconsistencies

2010-05-25 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 20:57 +0200, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: >> According to >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets#mimeinfo >> >> packages should not depend on shared-mime-info, but instead only >> update its dat

CVS branches for F-11 closed

2010-05-25 Thread Dennis Gilmore
Hi All, Since Fedora 13 was released today new CVS branches for F-11 will not be allowed. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Policy/EOL lists the policy in effect this means that F-11 is now in a maintenance only cycle, with EOL fast approaching, the EOL date was set to June 25

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-25 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 25.5.2010 18:17, Adam Williamson napsal(a): > Free world fonts - Deja Vu and so on - > were designed with the autohinter in mind, and tend to look better that > way. Not all of them ... I was chatting with the author of Iconoclasta and he admitted he developed the font on Windows and with BCI

Re: libjpeg for F14

2010-05-25 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 04:47:29PM -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 05/25/2010 09:27 AM, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > >> There's also this project, to add hardware acceleration (SSE and so > >> on) to libjpeg: > >> > >> http://libjpeg-turbo.virtualgl.org/ > > >PLease also don't forget the

Re: Packages depending on Yelp

2010-05-25 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 15:58 -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote: > On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 20:22 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > We discussed this issue at the fesco meeting today. The net outcome was > > that it's currently impractical to require that all packages that use > > yelp depend on it. However

Re: libjpeg for F14

2010-05-25 Thread Genes MailLists
On 05/25/2010 09:27 AM, Alexander Larsson wrote: > >> There's also this project, to add hardware acceleration (SSE and so >> on) to libjpeg: >> >> http://libjpeg-turbo.virtualgl.org/ PLease also don't forget the applications which are provided by libjpeg such as jpegtran et al .. Are they

Minutes/Summary for today's FESCo meeting (2010-05-25)

2010-05-25 Thread Kevin Fenzi
=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2010-05-25) === Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-05-25/fesco.2010-05-25-19.00.log.html Meeting summary

Re: Packages depending on Yelp

2010-05-25 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 20:22 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > We discussed this issue at the fesco meeting today. The net outcome was > that it's currently impractical to require that all packages that use > yelp depend on it. However, requiring all yelp-using apps to integrate > support for telli

Re: [Fedora-packaging] shared-mime-info inconsistencies

2010-05-25 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 20:57 +0200, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > According to > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets#mimeinfo > > packages should not depend on shared-mime-info, but instead only > update its database if it happens to be installed. I would expect > shared-mi

Re: Packages depending on Yelp

2010-05-25 Thread Matthew Garrett
We discussed this issue at the fesco meeting today. The net outcome was that it's currently impractical to require that all packages that use yelp depend on it. However, requiring all yelp-using apps to integrate support for telling the user what's wrong may be unreasonable. Long-term, it would

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 25.05.10 20:38, Alexander Boström (a...@root.snowtree.se) wrote: > > tis 2010-05-25 klockan 20:30 +0200 skrev Lennart Poettering: > > > /etc/systemd/system. We could for example choose to not have that > > symlink by default, but ask the administrator to create it if he sets up > > a mul

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 25.05.10 09:42, Jeff Spaleta (jspal...@gmail.com) wrote: > Like I said... we need to have more discussion a long the lines of > what I saw concerning how cups and other services will work in a > systemd setting. We have to have a feel for the complexity of > configuration. > > We'll also

shared-mime-info inconsistencies

2010-05-25 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
According to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets#mimeinfo packages should not depend on shared-mime-info, but instead only update its database if it happens to be installed. I would expect shared-mime-info to be pulled in by either specifying it in comps.xml or as a dependenc

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-25 Thread Jon Masters
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 17:45 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Please, judge systemd on technical grounds, don't judge it on political, > or emotional grounds. I'm not trying to "judge" it at all. But when the first thing I really hear about a project is "we should replace our init system", my ea

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 25.05.10 13:15, Simo Sorce (sso...@redhat.com) wrote: > > My one concern about the current discussion is that the decision to > > move to systemd in the timeframe of F14 is being rushed ahead of the > > aforementioned technical judgement. I can understand your personal > > enthusiasm for

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-25 Thread Alexander Boström
tis 2010-05-25 klockan 20:30 +0200 skrev Lennart Poettering: > /etc/systemd/system. We could for example choose to not have that > symlink by default, but ask the administrator to create it if he sets up > a multiplexing print server the way Tim suggested. Wouldn't it be started automatically any

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 25.05.10 09:00, Jeff Spaleta (jspal...@gmail.com) wrote: > > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Lennart Poettering > My one concern about the current discussion is that the decision to > move to systemd in the timeframe of F14 is being rushed ahead of the > aforementioned technical judgemen

Re: Non-responsive maintainer: Subhodip Biswas

2010-05-25 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Montag, den 24.05.2010, 00:23 +0200 schrieb Robert Scheck: > Request: I hereby would like to take over the package "ddclient". As a FESCO member I hereby approve the takeover, but please wait 3 more days for others to object. Regards, Christoph -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraprojec

Re: Debug Python stacks revisited - experimental build in Rawhide, targetting Fedora 14

2010-05-25 Thread David Malcolm
On Mon, 2010-05-24 at 20:11 -0400, David Malcolm wrote: > On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 15:37 -0400, David Malcolm wrote: [snip] > I'm working next on enabling more of the debug flags in the debug > builds; you can see status on the under-construction feature page here: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-25 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: > Right now, it's not about speed.  Speed is one thing, and somewhat > important.  But doing it right is also important.  Make it right, then > make it fast, because if you try to make it fast first, you'll often be > doing it wrong. He offere

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-25 Thread Ilyes Gouta
Hi, > That's always been how it's looked to me as well, FWIW. Given that we > default to using free world fonts and can't ship Microsoft's fonts it > would seem sensible to default to the autohinter rather than the BCI, in > my opinion. I definitely prefer the autohinter's interpretation of the >

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-25 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 25 May 2010 09:00:58 -0800 Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > Please, judge systemd on technical grounds, don't judge it on > > political, or emotional grounds. > > "I'll publish the numbers of a 100% socket-activated boot soon." > >

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-25 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 09:00 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > Please, judge systemd on technical grounds, don't judge it on political, > > or emotional grounds. > > "I'll publish the numbers of a 100% socket-activated boot soon." > > I

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-25 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Please, judge systemd on technical grounds, don't judge it on political, > or emotional grounds. "I'll publish the numbers of a 100% socket-activated boot soon." I would love to have the necessary data to have an informed public discus

Re: rawhide report: 20100525 changes

2010-05-25 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 25 May 2010, Yanko Kaneti wrote: > On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 14:26 +, Rawhide Report wrote: > >> llvm-2.7-2.fc14 >> --- >> * Mon May 24 2010 Michel Salim - 2.7-2 >> - Exclude llm-gcc manpages >> - Turn on apidoc generation >> - Build with srcdir=objdir, otherwise clang doxyg

Re: rawhide report: 20100525 changes

2010-05-25 Thread Yanko Kaneti
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 14:26 +, Rawhide Report wrote: > llvm-2.7-2.fc14 > --- > * Mon May 24 2010 Michel Salim - 2.7-2 > - Exclude llm-gcc manpages > - Turn on apidoc generation > - Build with srcdir=objdir, otherwise clang doxygen build fails 729768200 clang-apidoc-2.7-2.fc14.no

FYI: python-sphinx-1.0 coming to rawhide soon

2010-05-25 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
This is just a heads up -- python-sphinx-1.0b1 has arrived. hircus or I will be updating rawhide to the new version soon -- which may cause your documentation to stop building. There are some incompatible changes in this update, notably to the markup used for c functions and modules. There is a

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2010-05-23 at 21:51 +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Gianluca Sforna wrote: > > On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Roberto Ragusa > > wrote: > >> > >> I'm well aware that many people have different tastes about font > >> readability and that I'm probably out of the

Re: libjpeg for F14

2010-05-25 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 04:47:13PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 04:40:15PM +0100, Ilyes Gouta wrote: > > How about this: since libjpeg is picking momentum and there are > > actually people updating the code base, why not push for a > > libjpeg-turbo merge into the orig

Re: libjpeg for F14

2010-05-25 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 03:09:27PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 02:57:37PM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 15:27 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > > > > There's also this project, to add hardware acceleration (SSE and so > > > > on) to libjp

Re: libjpeg for F14

2010-05-25 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:23:45AM -0400, Adam Goode wrote: > On 05/25/2010 10:09 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > Why couldn't we just replace libjpeg with the libjpeg-turbo upstream? > > (For the primary architectures anyway). > > > > I think this is a great idea, libjpeg is the bottleneck for

Re: libjpeg for F14

2010-05-25 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 04:40:15PM +0100, Ilyes Gouta wrote: > How about this: since libjpeg is picking momentum and there are > actually people updating the code base, why not push for a > libjpeg-turbo merge into the original ijg's code and get Fedora to > rebase on that unique source instead? T

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 25.05.10 10:21, Casey Dahlin (cdah...@redhat.com) wrote: > > On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 09:05:31AM -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: > > On 05/23/2010 04:19 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > >> So far response from the community has been very positive, but we didn't >

Re: libjpeg for F14

2010-05-25 Thread Ilyes Gouta
Hi, SSE and friends are arch. specific and according to the feature list the upstream is displaying, I don't think it would offer any other benefits for the other archs. There is one strong point that libjpeg-{6b, 8ab} inherited since it's been there for a lof time: a *defacto* standard for JPEG

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 24.05.10 21:17, Jon Masters (jonat...@jonmasters.org) wrote: > > > So do you plan on getting it by default for Fedora 14? :-) > > > > Well, I am certainly planning to have a package for it in F14. But > > whether we can have it as default is to be seen. > > This is not intended to sta

rawhide report: 20100525 changes

2010-05-25 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Tue May 25 08:15:11 UTC 2010 Broken deps for i386 -- almanah-0.7.3-1.fc14.i686 requires libedataserver-1.2.so.12 1:anerley-0.1.8-4.fc14.i686 requires libedataserver-1.2.so.12 anjal-0.3.2-2.fc14.i686

Re: libjpeg for F14

2010-05-25 Thread Adam Goode
On 05/25/2010 10:09 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Why couldn't we just replace libjpeg with the libjpeg-turbo upstream? > (For the primary architectures anyway). > I think this is a great idea, libjpeg is the bottleneck for a lot of my code. One issue: are there C fallbacks for all the arch-sp

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-25 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 09:05:31AM -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: > On 05/23/2010 04:19 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Lennart Poettering wrote: > >> So far response from the community has been very positive, but we didn't > >> have a fedora-devel discussion about this yet, so we'll have to see > >>

Re: libjpeg for F14

2010-05-25 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 02:57:37PM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 15:27 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > > There's also this project, to add hardware acceleration (SSE and so > > > on) to libjpeg: > > > > > > http://libjpeg-turbo.virtualgl.org/ > > > > > > If we're goi

Re: libjpeg for F14

2010-05-25 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 15:27 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > There's also this project, to add hardware acceleration (SSE and so > > on) to libjpeg: > > > > http://libjpeg-turbo.virtualgl.org/ > > > > If we're going to switch, maybe this is a good choice. > > I did some profiling of this for

Re: libjpeg for F14

2010-05-25 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Mon, 2010-05-24 at 13:24 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 05:55:39PM +0200, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > > The libjpeg version(6b) in Fedora is quite old(27-Mar-1998). > > And newer versions were released on: > > > > Version 7 27-Jun-2009 > > Version 8 10-Jan-2010 >

Headsup: ABI changing libebml bump coming to rawhide

2010-05-25 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi All, A new libebml version is coming to a rawhide near you. This version does not change the soname, yet the C++ ABI is still changing So all packages using libebml will need to be rebuild: [h...@localhost ~]$ sudo repoquery -q --whatrequires --alldeps libebml libebml-0:0.7.8-3.fc12.x86_64 li

Re: libjpeg for F14

2010-05-25 Thread Chris Jones
Right, so they're still using libpng* but the more updated version. I read the original post as not using libpng at all and using another library as an alternative. Sorry, my misunderstanding. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resol

Re: web-m and Fedora 14

2010-05-25 Thread viragh
The glyph coverage of those fonts is rather incomplete. With the standard Hungarian encodings (either iso8859-2 or utf8) they are near to useless, unfortunately. J. Virágh -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel