Re: Packages depending on Yelp

2010-05-26 Thread Richard Hughes
On 25 May 2010 20:22, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: Long-term, it would be nice for this to integrate with PackageKit somehow. Short-term, the simplest solution would seem to be to provide a stub package that provides: yelp and a yelp binary, and then have that binary do nothing

Re: Errors in packaging kupfer

2010-05-26 Thread Chen Lei
CFLAGS=$RPM_OPT_FLAGS LDFLAGS=-lm waf configure --prefix=%{_prefix} - waf configure --prefix=%{_prefix} --no-runtime-deps All python modules are not needed in runtime, don't check them. Also, the package is noarch, optflags is not needed. Chen Lei -- devel mailing list

Re: Errors in packaging kupfer

2010-05-26 Thread Chen Lei
2010/5/26 Chen Lei supercyp...@gmail.com: CFLAGS=$RPM_OPT_FLAGS LDFLAGS=-lm waf configure --prefix=%{_prefix} - waf configure --prefix=%{_prefix} --no-runtime-deps All python modules are not needed in runtime, don't check them. Also, the package is noarch, optflags is not needed. Chen

Re: libjpeg for F14

2010-05-26 Thread Ilyes Gouta
Hi, A merge is the most appropriate here. After all libjpeg-turbo just offers a set of x86 specific SSE/MMX routines such as IDCT (maybe huffman, but I didn't check that) that would be easily plugged into ijg, but doesn't change the foundations (architecture and exposed public API) of libjpeg.

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread James Findley
On 26/05/10 04:02, Casey Dahlin wrote: On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 05:45:07PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 25.05.10 10:21, Casey Dahlin (cdah...@redhat.com) wrote: On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 09:05:31AM -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On 05/23/2010 04:19 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Lennart

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Roberto Ragusa
James Findley wrote: Modern systems just don't take very long to spawn awk. Or sed. Or cut. Or bash. IMO this sort of tradeoff between speed and ease of use hasn't been appropriate in 20 years. It's really not at all uncommon for me to need to modify an init script. There would be much

[Bug 596103] New: perl-Net-Patricia-1.17_03 is available

2010-05-26 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: perl-Net-Patricia-1.17_03 is available https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=596103 Summary: perl-Net-Patricia-1.17_03 is available Product:

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread James Findley
On 26/05/10 11:12, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 10:01 +0100, James Findley wrote: On 26/05/10 04:02, Casey Dahlin wrote: On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 05:45:07PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 25.05.10 10:21, Casey Dahlin (cdah...@redhat.com) wrote: On Mon, May 24, 2010

Re: Remove 1507 Package(s) ?

2010-05-26 Thread Andreas Schwab
Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl writes: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:58:29AM +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: ... nss-softokn-freebl-3.12.6-1.2.fc11.x86_64 my version is currently at: nss-softokn-freebl-3.12.4-19.fc12.i686 on a fully updated F13 box. That's look like a problem betwee F11

preupgrade / anaconda's final stage

2010-05-26 Thread Camilo Mesias
Hi, I ran a couple of preupgrades to go from F12 to F13 last night and it all went very smoothly. I have only one slight criticism and that is that the final stage of the upgrade takes a subjectively long time, during which the progress indication is a frantic bouncing progress bar. What is

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 25.05.10 23:02, Casey Dahlin (cdah...@redhat.com) wrote: Why do you say cgroups are a dead end? Sure, Scott claims that, but uh, it's not the only place where he is simply wrong and his claims baseless. In fact it works really well, and is one of the strong points in systemd. I

Re: Remove 1507 Package(s) ?

2010-05-26 Thread Jakub Jelinek
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 01:04:31PM +0200, Andreas Schwab wrote: Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl writes: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:58:29AM +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: ... nss-softokn-freebl-3.12.6-1.2.fc11.x86_64 my version is currently at: nss-softokn-freebl-3.12.4-19.fc12.i686

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 17:24 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Can you point us to where any background discussion has taken place with Upstart folks? No, I cannot. Kay and I and a couple of others sat down at various LPC and GUADEC and discussed what we would like to see in an init

Re: Errors in packaging kupfer

2010-05-26 Thread Ratnadeep Debnath
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Chen Lei supercyp...@gmail.com wrote: CFLAGS=$RPM_OPT_FLAGS LDFLAGS=-lm waf configure --prefix=%{_prefix} - waf configure --prefix=%{_prefix} --no-runtime-deps All python modules are not needed in runtime, don't check them. Also, the package is noarch,

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 01:26:48PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: The problem we've found is that cgroups are too aggressive. They don't have a notion of sessions and count too much as being part of your service, so you end up with your screen session being counted as part of gdm.

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 26 May 2010 12:42:13 +0200 drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Casey Dahlin cdah...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 05:45:07PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 25.05.10 10:21, Casey Dahlin (cdah...@redhat.com) wrote: [...] 3)

rawhide report: 20100526 changes

2010-05-26 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Wed May 26 08:15:13 UTC 2010 Broken deps for i386 -- almanah-0.7.3-1.fc14.i686 requires libedataserver-1.2.so.12 1:anerley-0.1.8-4.fc14.i686 requires libedataserver-1.2.so.12 anjal-0.3.2-2.fc14.i686

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 12:35 +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: We did sit down and discuss things, and you convinced me that launchd-style activation was a useful thing to have. Then you went off and wrote systemd anyway. If you want to add socket passing to upstart as well, we can turn

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 26 May 2010, Simo Sorce wrote: While you don't edit them *all* the time, it is something that is done regularly, and it is something most admins can do with ease. Turn them in a C program and you left admins out in the cold, most of them. I would be very, very wary of accepting a

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Ola Thoresen [26/05/2010 14:39] : Would it not be more fruitful to discuss _why_ you (we?) need to edit the initscripts? Describe what functionality is missing or wrong in the default ones? Editing environnement variables and indicating which specific interfaces I want the daemon to

Re: Remove 1507 Package(s) ?

2010-05-26 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 26 May 2010, Klaus Grue wrote: Hi, I just upgraded to F13. It's nice. But look at this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PreUpgrade says Common post-upgrade tasks ... Some packages may no longer be supported by the new release ... These can be identified with the following

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 08:54:23AM -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 26 May 2010, Simo Sorce wrote: While you don't edit them *all* the time, it is something that is done regularly, and it is something most admins can do with ease. Turn them in a C program and you left admins out in

Re: Remove 1507 Package(s) ?

2010-05-26 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 26 May 2010, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:58:29AM +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: ... nss-softokn-freebl-3.12.6-1.2.fc11.x86_64 my version is currently at: nss-softokn-freebl-3.12.4-19.fc12.i686 on a fully updated F13 box. That's look like a problem betwee F11 and

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 26 May 2010, Chuck Anderson wrote: -21 million. Scripts are a crutch to avoid properly designed daemons and configuration systems. I never edit initscripts to configure daemons, because they would just be overwritten at the next package upgrade. Configuration should be separate

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 26 May 2010 09:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Seth Vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, 26 May 2010, Chuck Anderson wrote: -21 million. Scripts are a crutch to avoid properly designed daemons and configuration systems. I never edit initscripts to configure daemons,

Requirements for a -devel package: are these written down?

2010-05-26 Thread Jonathan Robie
I got a BZ for a package I maintain from someone who needs multilib support without using Mock: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=595923 I found myself asking what the requirements are for a -devel package. In general, do we support this in -devel libs or not? On IRC, I think I've

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 02:01:35PM +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 01:26:48PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: The problem we've found is that cgroups are too aggressive. They don't have a notion of sessions and count too much as being part of your service, so you

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread James Findley
On 26/05/10 14:24, Simo Sorce wrote: On Wed, 26 May 2010 09:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Seth Vidalskvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, 26 May 2010, Chuck Anderson wrote: -21 million. Scripts are a crutch to avoid properly designed daemons and configuration systems. I never edit initscripts

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Andrew Parker
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 08:54:23AM -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 26 May 2010, Simo Sorce wrote: While you don't edit them *all* the time, it is something that is done regularly, and it is something most admins can do

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 26.05.10 14:01, Tomasz Torcz (to...@pipebreaker.pl) wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 01:26:48PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: The problem we've found is that cgroups are too aggressive. They don't have a notion of sessions and count too much as being part of your service, so

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Jeremy Sanders
Seth Vidal wrote: +20 million. I couldn't agree more. They need to be scripts, considering how seldom they actually run it makes even less sense to chase down optimization in them by making them compiled. Absolutely. I have no idea why you shouldn't use a small and light interpreted

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, drago01 drag...@gmail.com said: This does make a lot of sense to me, initscripts being scripts is a major slowdown factor by itself. But they aren't a major slowdown factor (see the example numbers in this thread). And, if they were, any init scripts that are a problem could

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 08:54 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 26 May 2010, Simo Sorce wrote: While you don't edit them *all* the time, it is something that is done regularly, and it is something most admins can do with ease. Turn them in a C program and you left admins out in the cold,

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 26 May 2010, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 08:54 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 26 May 2010, Simo Sorce wrote: While you don't edit them *all* the time, it is something that is done regularly, and it is something most admins can do with ease. Turn them in a C

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread drago01
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Jeremy Sanders jer...@jeremysanders.net wrote: Seth Vidal wrote: +20 million. I couldn't agree more. They need to be scripts, considering how seldom they actually run it makes even less sense to chase down optimization in them by making them compiled.

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread drago01
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, drago01 drag...@gmail.com said: This does make a lot of sense to me, initscripts being scripts is a major slowdown factor by itself. But they aren't a major slowdown factor (see the example numbers in

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, drago01 drag...@gmail.com said: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, drago01 drag...@gmail.com said: This does make a lot of sense to me, initscripts being scripts is a major slowdown factor by itself. But they

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-26 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 09:51:53PM +0200, drago01 wrote: The patents for the former expired but apparently some fonts look worse with it so we decided to disable it. (I have been running with it enabled for years and for me stuff does look _way_ better with the bci ... but well this is a

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread James Findley
On 26/05/10 15:20, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 08:54 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 26 May 2010, Simo Sorce wrote: While you don't edit them *all* the time, it is something that is done regularly, and it is something most admins can do with ease. Turn them in a C program

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 08:43 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 12:35 +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: We did sit down and discuss things, and you convinced me that launchd-style activation was a useful thing to have. Then you went off and wrote systemd anyway. If

Re: rawhide report: 20100525 changes

2010-05-26 Thread Chen Lei
2010/5/26 Yanko Kaneti yan...@declera.com: On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 14:26 +, Rawhide Report wrote: llvm-2.7-2.fc14 --- * Mon May 24 2010 Michel Salim sali...@fedoraproject.org - 2.7-2 - Exclude llm-gcc manpages - Turn on apidoc generation - Build with srcdir=objdir, otherwise

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Adam Williamson wrote: I beg to differ. I've had to create or modify initscripts quite often, either as a sysadmin or a packager. If this is now going to require C coding skills, I'm not going to be able to do it. I don't think it's safe to assume that everyone who needs to write or modify an

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 26.05.10 10:01, James Findley (s...@gmx.com) wrote: 3) Cutting down on the forking by replacing some of the shell scripts... cool 3a) With C code... really? Yeah. I think this is odd too. The blog complains about how many awk spawns there are - but this looks like a

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread drago01
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 12:42 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Casey Dahlin cdah...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 05:45:07PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 25.05.10 10:21,

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 26.05.10 12:27, seth vidal (skvi...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: Right, would be good if you could elaborate about that. I alead asked you a couple of times about this. Would love to hear about the reasoning. Scott, Lennart, A Proposal: maybe the two of you should continue this

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Gustavo Alves
I've made some benchmarks starting a dummy service (do not call any programs or kill) and a samba server on my notebook. I run those tests 4 times and discarded the first one. Each test execute 100 times the command: service dummy restart = 0,023ms service smb restart = 0,158ms c application =

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 06:39:43PM +0200, drago01 wrote: Again the sysadmin case just implies that something *else* is broken. Sure. As a distribution, we don't have control over upstream projects and their assumptions for daemon startup, shutdown, status, etc. Sometimes, they want odd things.

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: http://0pointer.de/public/dbus.service. Note the ExecStartPre here, like most daemons, is conceptually busted. There's no reason we shouldn't lay that file down once when the OS is installed, and not check it

Re: rawhide report: 20100525 changes

2010-05-26 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Chen Lei supercyp...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/26 Yanko Kaneti yan...@declera.com: On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 14:26 +, Rawhide Report wrote: llvm-2.7-2.fc14 --- * Mon May 24 2010 Michel Salim sali...@fedoraproject.org - 2.7-2 - Exclude llm-gcc

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: Well, that depends on configuration. In systemd you can choose individually for each unit whether you want to allow it to continue run processes on shut down, whether you want the main process killed, the process

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 18:14 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Oh come on. Thanks for turning this into something personal. You did that last week - I got forwarded logs from #systemd. That's probably why I wasn't in a great mood with you this morning ;-) I'd prefer it we would keep this

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Wed, 26.05.10 09:07, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 12:42 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Casey Dahlin cdah...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, May 25,

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 05/26/2010 12:07 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: It is not like you want to edit the scripts all the time, so there is no reason for them being scripts. I beg to differ. I've had to create or modify initscripts quite often, either as a sysadmin or a packager. If this is now going to require C

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Alexander Boström
ons 2010-05-26 klockan 10:01 +0100 skrev James Findley: It's really not at all uncommon for me to need to modify an init script. There would be much rage if in order to do this I had to download the SRPM, extract the init code, figure out what I needed to change, modify it, recompile

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le dimanche 23 mai 2010 à 00:34 +0200, Lennart Poettering a écrit : ATM everything looks rosy. I just finished porting over all F13 installed-by-default daemons to socket activation, and a few more (and the patches are good enough to be upstreamable). For this kind of stuff I strongly

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-26 Thread Martin Sourada
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 10:29 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 09:51:53PM +0200, drago01 wrote: The patents for the former expired but apparently some fonts look worse with it so we decided to disable it. (I have been running with it enabled for years and for me stuff

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 26 mai 2010 à 19:39 +0200, Alexander Boström a écrit : ons 2010-05-26 klockan 10:01 +0100 skrev James Findley: It's really not at all uncommon for me to need to modify an init script. There would be much rage if in order to do this I had to download the SRPM, extract the

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-26 Thread Ilyes Gouta
+1 On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 10:29 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 09:51:53PM +0200, drago01 wrote: The patents for the former expired but apparently some fonts look worse with it so we decided

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Jon Masters
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 08:54 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 26 May 2010, Simo Sorce wrote: While you don't edit them *all* the time, it is something that is done regularly, and it is something most admins can do with ease. Turn them in a C program and you left admins out in the cold,

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-26 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 07:30:56PM +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: Depends on the criteria you use. The with bytecode version has better kerning, better shapes, better flow, but is blurry (yeah, without Not just blurry, though -- awkwardly blurry. At screen resolution, in fact, I think it's

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 14:08 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 08:54 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 26 May 2010, Simo Sorce wrote: While you don't edit them *all* the time, it is something that is done regularly, and it is something most admins can do with ease.

Re: libjpeg for F14

2010-05-26 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi all, On 05/22/2010 05:55 PM, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: hi there, Can it be updated to upstream version in rawhide ? The libjpeg version(6b) in Fedora is quite old(27-Mar-1998). And newer versions were released on: Version 7 27-Jun-2009 Version 8 10-Jan-2010 Version 8a

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 26 May 2010 18:20:08 +0200 Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: Regarding the LISTEN_PID env var: environment variables are normally inherited when forking/execing. We want to make sure that only the process we actually start ourselves parses and handles LISTEN_FDS. We

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 18:50 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: I beg to differ. I've had to create or modify initscripts quite often, either as a sysadmin or a packager. If this is now going to require C coding skills, I'm not going to be able to do it. I don't think it's safe to assume

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 11:32 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: OTOH, why is this even a sub-topic in this sub-topic of a thread? I'd love to see some numbers from the complainers about scripting being slow. I have a normal Fedora 13 x86_64 system that boots through initscripts in under 10

Re: Errors in packaging kupfer

2010-05-26 Thread Patrick Dignan
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Mamoru Tasaka mtas...@ioa.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp wrote: Ratnadeep Debnath wrote, at 05/26/2010 08:46 PM +9:00: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Chen Leisupercyp...@gmail.com  wrote: CFLAGS=$RPM_OPT_FLAGS LDFLAGS=-lm waf configure --prefix=%{_prefix} - waf

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Björn Persson
Lennart Poettering wrote: Regarding the LISTEN_PID env var: environment variables are normally inherited when forking/execing. We want to make sure that only the process we actually start ourselves parses and handles LISTEN_FDS. We want to avoid that if this daemon might spawn some other

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
James Findley wrote: You're comparing the wrong thing here - I was demonstrating that it doesn't take noticeably longer to spawn awk than a small C app on modern systems. thus using: for i in {1..1000}; do awk 'BEGIN{print Hello World}' /dev/null; done for i in {1..1000}; do ./helloworld

What happened to this sssd update?

2010-05-26 Thread Orion Poplawski
http://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/sssd-1.2.0-12.fc13 Appears to be in limbo. Status: pending sgallagh - 2010-05-07 21:51:09 This update has been submitted for testing. bodhi - 2010-05-08 16:09:51 This update has been pushed to testing sgallagh - 2010-05-18 18:34:06 This update

Re: What happened to this sssd update?

2010-05-26 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 15:03 -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: http://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/sssd-1.2.0-12.fc13 Appears to be in limbo. Status: pending sgallagh - 2010-05-07 21:51:09 This update has been submitted for testing. bodhi - 2010-05-08 16:09:51 This update has

Re: Requirements for a -devel package: are these written down?

2010-05-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jonathan Robie wrote: I got a BZ for a package I maintain from someone who needs multilib support without using Mock: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=595923 Please send a new message instead of replying to an unrelated one. It matters for mail clients which support proper

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jeremy Sanders (jer...@jeremysanders.net) said: Something like Lua would be very good. The overheads over C would be minimal, and it would have the advantage of being editable. I've had to edit an init script to get something working properly many times. If you're going to want them to

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
seth vidal wrote: It appears this subject has been picked up on lwn - so I'm certain there will be a fruitful, productive and constructive discussion there. Hahaha! You gotta be kidding! LWN keeps posting flamewars as news and their comments are infested by trolls like no other place!

[Bug 592209] BerkeleyDB needs compatible versions of libdb db.h - binary mismatch

2010-05-26 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=592209 Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org changed: What|Removed |Added

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Bill Nottingham
James Findley (s...@gmx.com) said: Actually the blog post is proposing exactly that, as I read it. And it seems not only that lots of other people read it the same way, but some even agree with it. So I'm not sure I see how this is going off into the weeds - if transitioning some/all

Re: What happened to this sssd update?

2010-05-26 Thread Frank Murphy
On 26/05/10 22:03, Orion Poplawski wrote: http://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/sssd-1.2.0-12.fc13 Appears to be in limbo. Needs cuddles and kisses. If you are using it leave a comment. If not: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=174916 Frank -- devel mailing list

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 23:39 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: seth vidal wrote: It appears this subject has been picked up on lwn - so I'm certain there will be a fruitful, productive and constructive discussion there. Hahaha! You gotta be kidding! LWN keeps posting flamewars as news and their

gcc 4.4 vs. 4.5 (was: Re: rawhide report: 20100526 changes)

2010-05-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
Rawhide Report wrote: gcc-4.4.4-5.fc14 * Tue May 25 2010 Jakub Jelinek ja...@redhat.com 4.4.4-5 - update from gcc-4_4-branch Can we get 4.5 for F14? Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

wqy-microhei-fonts (was: Re: rawhide report: 20100526 changes)

2010-05-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
Rawhide Report wrote: In order to keep the WenQuanYi Zen Hei as default Simplified Chinese font, the fontconfig file of this WenQuanYi Micro Hei font is removed. I think this is wrong. It'll break if somebody only has Micro Hei installed, for space reasons (e.g. the F13 KDE spin ships

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 23:39 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: seth vidal wrote: It appears this subject has been picked up on lwn - so I'm certain there will be a fruitful, productive and constructive discussion there. Hahaha! You gotta be kidding! LWN keeps posting flamewars as news and their

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 23:39:49 +0200, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: seth vidal wrote: It appears this subject has been picked up on lwn - so I'm certain there will be a fruitful, productive and constructive discussion there. Hahaha! You gotta be kidding! LWN keeps posting

pkg-config in rawhide

2010-05-26 Thread Matthias Clasen
There has been some instability in rawhide pkg-config in the last few days. The reason is that I've built the long-overdue 0.24, which turned out to have a few small issues. One remaining problem that is still causing some build problems is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=596433

Re: banshee-1 hang during playing video overnight

2010-05-26 Thread Luming Yu
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Luming Yu luming...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Rakesh Pandit rakesh.pan...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 May 2010 08:16, Luming Yu wrote: Hi there, I happen to see a banshee-1 hang after it was accidentally left repeatedly playing two

nautilus-pastebin disappeared!

2010-05-26 Thread Ankur Sinha
hey, I recently packaged nautilus-pastebin. I tested it successfully, so did Rahul [1] A few days ago, it stopped functioning. That is, a right click no longer shows a send to pastebin option. I'm sure this isn't an error in the nautilus-pastebin package since it's the same package that

rpms/perl-BerkeleyDB/F-13 perl-BerkeleyDB.spec,1.27,1.28

2010-05-26 Thread Paul Howarth
Author: pghmcfc Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-BerkeleyDB/F-13 In directory cvs01.phx2.fedoraproject.org:/tmp/cvs-serv17430/F-13 Modified Files: perl-BerkeleyDB.spec Log Message: * Tue May 25 2010 Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org - Rebuild for Berkeley DB 4.8.30 in F-13 and Rawhide

[Bug 595831] Rebuild for db4 4.8.30 update

2010-05-26 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 592209] BerkeleyDB needs compatible versions of libdb db.h - binary mismatch

2010-05-26 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 595834] Insufficient db4 requires

2010-05-26 Thread bugzilla
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