Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-14 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 01:14:18AM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: LVM actually slows down boot considerably. Not primarily because its code was slow or anything, but simply because it isn't really written in the way that things are expected to work these days. The LVM assembly at boot is

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans (biosdevname)

2010-11-14 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 08:34:54PM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 09:35:54AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Greetings. Fedora 14 was a pretty relaxing and stable release. I'm thinking that Fedora 15 may be much more exciting. ;) biosdevname installed by default, used

Re: Review swap

2010-11-14 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello! 2010/11/14 Andrea Musuruane musur...@gmail.com: Hi packagers,    I've a re-review request for hatari: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=62 Would anyone want to swap one of their review tickets for this? I'll take it. Here is my review request: erlang-rpm-macros -

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-14 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le dimanche 14 novembre 2010 à 01:14 +0100, Lennart Poettering a écrit : Well, there's no doubt that LVM has its uses, but that doesn't mean we should install it by default on every Fedora installation. LVM actually slows down boot considerably. Not primarily because its code was slow or

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-14 Thread Liang Suilong
Return to GRUB2 topic, I wish that GRUB2 landed in Anaconda and become an option for user. Some Linux fans install two Linux distros, one is rpm-based distro, another is deb-based distro. Most of deb-based distros has moved to GRUB2. however, rpm-based distros still stays at GRUB legacy. I can

Re: Updates to static library packages

2010-11-14 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:12:18 -0600, Rex Dieter wrote: Thanks to http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/RepoQuery If you need to figure out which srpms have a buildrequirement on a particular pkgname run: repoquery --archlist=src --repoid=some_repo_with_srpms \ -q --whatrequires pkgname Aha!

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-14 Thread Frank Murphy
On 14/11/10 12:18, Liang Suilong wrote: Return to GRUB2 topic, I wish that GRUB2 landed in Anaconda and become an option for user. Some Linux fans install two Linux distros, one is rpm-based distro, another is deb-based distro. Most of deb-based distros has moved to GRUB2. however, rpm-based

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-14 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 02:22:42PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 10:21:30AM +0100, Till Maas wrote: The documented issues do not seem to be as bad as a system being exploited. It is only about dependency breakage or services not working anymore. There is no major

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-14 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:54:02 +, Pierre Carrier wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 18:01, Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: I despair of making *nix input people understand that LANGAGE ≠ INPUT Please stop trying to derive one from the other, they are *distinct* and one can

Re: RPM: signing uncompressed data instead of signed data?

2010-11-14 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:17:57 -0500, Andre Robatino wrote: James Antill wrote: IMO, as has been said before, if you have a delta method that doesn't produce the exact same bits at the end ... you've probably failed. It might seem like a good idea, but even if you go to the extreme lengths

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans (biosdevname)

2010-11-14 Thread Matt Domsch
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 10:11:11PM -0800, John Reiser wrote: On 11/13/2010 06:34 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: biosdevname installed by default, used in the installer and at runtime to rename Dell and HP server onboard NICs from non-deterministic ethX to clearly labeled lomX matching the chassis

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans (biosdevname)

2010-11-14 Thread Matt Domsch
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:57:59AM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 08:34:54PM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 09:35:54AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Greetings. Fedora 14 was a pretty relaxing and stable release. I'm thinking that Fedora 15 may be

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sun, 14.11.10 13:14, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote: Le dimanche 14 novembre 2010 à 01:14 +0100, Lennart Poettering a écrit : Well, there's no doubt that LVM has its uses, but that doesn't mean we should install it by default on every Fedora installation. LVM

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 13:59:24 +0100, Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: If there are no security updates, people can not apply them. So what is worse? If people stop applying updates, then it is at least their decision. If there are no updates, people can only choose not to use Many

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-14 Thread drago01
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 06:26:48PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: *DE could consider switching the default to use EXT4 directly without LVM. [1] 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoDefaultLVM The

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-14 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 11/14/2010 10:42 AM, drago01 wrote: Yes unless something changed recently the filesystem's discard command never reaches the drive. Looks like I'm reformatting and dumping the LVM. Thanks. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-14 Thread Owen Taylor
On Sat, 2010-11-13 at 11:15 -0500, Genes MailLists wrote: On 11/13/2010 10:45 AM, Owen Taylor wrote: On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 18:07 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Kevin Fenzi writes: * gnome3 / gnome-shell default Does anyone happen to know how to mimic the equivalent of panel

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-14 Thread Ralf Ertzinger
Hi. On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:44:06 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote Looks like I'm reformatting and dumping the LVM. Thanks. Discard aside, btrfs should include all (or most of) the features that LVM and raid0 were giving you, anyway. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: build rpm packages such as Redhat/Fedora

2010-11-14 Thread Garrett Holmstrom
On 11/13/2010 18:15, Christopher Stolzenberg wrote: yum install mock useradd mockbuild usermod -G mock mockbuild Unless you want to ``su'' to a dedicated mockbuild account every time you want to build you should add your usual account to the mock group instead. mock rebuild -r

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans - BTRFS

2010-11-14 Thread Genes MailLists
btfrs providing raid0 functionality. Does BTRFS have the equivalent of raid 5 ? gene/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-14 Thread John Reiser
On 11/13/2010 03:41 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Anyway, I think LVM is jolly useful: [stated advantages snipped] One design error is that you cannot carve out an ordinary partition from an LVM. Once a portion of the drive is LVM, then that portion of the drive is LVM forever until the LVM is

Re: Updates to static library packages

2010-11-14 Thread Siddhesh Poyarekar
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 11:38:50PM +, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: I'd say do try a rebuild of affected packages yourself, and notify the maintainers only in case there is a breakage and coordinate on what to do (otherwise they'd get an unpleasant FTBFS report). That was helpful, thank

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-14 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Sun, 2010-11-14 at 14:07 -0500, Matt McCutchen wrote: On Sun, 2010-11-14 at 10:38 -0800, John Reiser wrote: On 11/13/2010 03:41 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Anyway, I think LVM is jolly useful: [stated advantages snipped] One design error is that you cannot carve out an

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-14 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Matt McCutchen wrote: On Sun, 2010-11-14 at 14:07 -0500, Matt McCutchen wrote: Oops, that's not completely true: pvresize currently is not smart enough to move allocated data out of the area to be freed, according to its man page. But you have other options, e.g., you can attach another disk,

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-14 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 11/14/2010 05:44 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 11/14/2010 10:42 AM, drago01 wrote: Yes unless something changed recently the filesystem's discard command never reaches the drive. Looks like I'm reformatting and dumping the LVM. Thanks. You should also file a bug against the tool that

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-14 Thread John Reiser
On 11/14/2010 11:07 AM, Matt McCutchen wrote: On Sun, 2010-11-14 at 10:38 -0800, John Reiser wrote: On 11/13/2010 03:41 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Anyway, I think LVM is jolly useful: [stated advantages snipped] One design error is that you cannot carve out an ordinary partition from an

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-14 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:41:00 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 11/14/2010 09:57 AM, drago01 wrote: I have a btrfs file system inside of a LVM inside of a software RAID0 array on two Intel SSDs mounted with discard enabled. Am I being lied to about discard being enabled? You probably want

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans (LVM issues)

2010-11-14 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Sun, 2010-11-14 at 13:07 -0800, John Reiser wrote: When I created 14 partitions using a DOS partition label (3 primaries, plus extended containing 10 logical partitions) and gave 6 of the partitions to an LVM setup, then I could not remove one of the partitions from the clutches of the

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans - BTRFS

2010-11-14 Thread David Woodhouse
On Sun, 2010-11-14 at 13:03 -0500, Genes MailLists wrote: btfrs providing raid0 functionality. Does BTRFS have the equivalent of raid 5 ? I implemented most of what's needed for RAID5 (and RAID6) a year or so ago. It's waiting on Chris to do the final bits in the upper layers which

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-14 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Roberto Ragusa m...@robertoragusa.it said: I don't remember if pvmove can use the same PV as src and dest; in that case you could avoid the need of an extra disk when your PV is just fragmented. You can; you have to specify manually the source and destination PEs, and IIRC

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-14 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:38:37AM -0800, John Reiser wrote: On 11/13/2010 03:41 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Anyway, I think LVM is jolly useful: [stated advantages snipped] One design error is that you cannot carve out an ordinary partition from an LVM. Once a portion of the drive is

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-14 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 01:07:28PM -0800, John Reiser wrote: On 11/14/2010 11:07 AM, Matt McCutchen wrote: On Sun, 2010-11-14 at 10:38 -0800, John Reiser wrote: On 11/13/2010 03:41 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Anyway, I think LVM is jolly useful: [stated advantages snipped] One

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans (LVM issues)

2010-11-14 Thread John Reiser
On 11/14/2010 01:13 PM, Matt McCutchen wrote: On Sun, 2010-11-14 at 13:07 -0800, John Reiser wrote: When I created 14 partitions using a DOS partition label (3 primaries, plus extended containing 10 logical partitions) and gave 6 of the partitions to an LVM setup, then I could not remove one

Re: Mysterious Heisenbug involving pdflatex on Koji's F-13 build servers

2010-11-14 Thread Pierre Carrier
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 21:23, Michel Alexandre Salim sali...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Rebuilding the same package without any change fixes the issue. Anyone has any idea what's going on here? No idea, but you might be on the way to an hexadecimal dollar! Regards, -- Pierre Carrier --

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans (LVM issues)

2010-11-14 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 11/15/2010 12:00 AM, John Reiser wrote: On 11/14/2010 01:13 PM, Matt McCutchen wrote: On Sun, 2010-11-14 at 13:07 -0800, John Reiser wrote: When I created 14 partitions using a DOS partition label (3 primaries, plus extended containing 10 logical partitions) and gave 6 of the partitions to

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-14 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 07:48:36PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: LVM is important and useful for managing storage. If, in the future, we have ZFS-like features in btrfs or whatever, okay, we can talk about getting rid of it. But a few-second gain in boot time is really, really, really not

[perl-Moose/f14/master] update to 1.12

2010-11-14 Thread Iain Arnell
commit 10d73f1e3487bef95714bf8165211dffcb46c595 Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com Date: Sun Nov 14 09:39:45 2010 +0100 update to 1.12 .gitignore |1 + perl-Moose.spec | 13 + sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 11 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-) --- diff

File Net-Patricia-1.18_81.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by philipp

2010-11-14 Thread Philip Prindeville
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Net-Patricia: de3cac16665db8de663d8fece4997136 Net-Patricia-1.18_81.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Net-Patricia] Improve parameter checking.

2010-11-14 Thread Philip Prindeville
commit 45887178bd360a2b86812c89ddc2b8f68d883b97 Author: Philip Prindeville phil...@fedoraproject.org Date: Sun Nov 14 13:33:49 2010 -0700 Improve parameter checking. .gitignore |1 + perl-Net-Patricia.spec |7 ++- sources|2 +- 3 files changed,

[perl-Net-Patricia/f13/master] (2 commits) ...Improve parameter checking; handle 'undef' as $data argument.

2010-11-14 Thread Philip Prindeville
Summary of changes: 2075f03... Maintenance version update. (*) 351f6ca... Improve parameter checking; handle 'undef' as $data argumen (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl

[perl-Net-Patricia/f13/master: 2/2] Improve parameter checking; handle 'undef' as $data argument.

2010-11-14 Thread Philip Prindeville
commit 351f6caf39140e8e83fc50e627745a228016ed50 Author: Philip A. Prindeville phil...@builder.redfish-solutions.com Date: Sun Nov 14 13:28:42 2010 -0700 Improve parameter checking; handle 'undef' as $data argument. .gitignore |1 + perl-Net-Patricia.spec |5 -

[Bug 647503] perl-Log-Dispatch: please update to 2.27

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[Bug 647503] perl-Log-Dispatch: please update to 2.27

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[Bug 596103] perl-Net-Patricia-1.18 is available

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[Bug 596103] perl-Net-Patricia-1.18 is available

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[Bug 647503] perl-Log-Dispatch: please update to 2.27

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[Bug 647503] perl-Log-Dispatch: please update to 2.27

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[perl-Net-Patricia/f13/master] (2 commits) ...Merge branch 'master' into f13

2010-11-14 Thread Philip Prindeville
Summary of changes: 4588717... Improve parameter checking. (*) e623d13... Merge branch 'master' into f13 (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list

[perl-Net-Patricia/f13/master: 2/2] Merge branch 'master' into f13

2010-11-14 Thread Philip Prindeville
commit e623d13aecc45e6e7139fa445da3e57008241808 Merge: 351f6ca 4588717 Author: Philip Prindeville phil...@fedoraproject.org Date: Sun Nov 14 23:31:29 2010 -0700 Merge branch 'master' into f13 Conflicts: perl-Net-Patricia.spec perl-Net-Patricia.spec |4 +++- 1 files