Machine-readable text format for log and config files

2012-02-17 Thread Alexander Sauta
Hello All. I'm just a Linux Russian GNU/Linux user and I would like to propose one simple idea. I'll try to be as brief as possible. A few months ago a proposal of new binary log system coupled with systemd has been made by Lennart Poettering. It rose numerous emotional discussions in Russian

Re: Please create Fedora 17 in Bugzilla

2012-02-17 Thread Dennis Gilmore
I actually have no idea how to access that account. So saying that releng has access is a gross overstatement. There is an account that some people have access to use is a more correct statement. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Adam Williamson

Re: Thunderbird/Lightening as Calendar

2012-02-17 Thread Matej Cepl
On 16.2.2012 19:37, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: Just curious, when assigning the default applications I can select other browsers, email clients etc, but only evolution for the calendar. Is there something lightening doesn't do such that I can't select it as the calendar app?? There is no

Re: Please create Fedora 17 in Bugzilla

2012-02-17 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-02-16 at 22:47 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Bill Nottingham wrote: Ian Pilcher (arequip...@gmail.com) said: Anaconda in Fedora 17 Alpha RC2 cannot upload tracebacks to Bugzilla, because Bugzilla doesn't

Self Introduction

2012-02-17 Thread Roman Kennke
Hi there, My name is Roman Kennke, and I am about to build my first Fedora package, and hope it can be accepted into the Fedora project (see below). Let me quickly introduce myself. I am currently a Software Engineer in Red Hat's Java team, where I am (among other things) working on the

F-17 Branched report: 20120217 changes

2012-02-17 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Fri Feb 17 08:15:11 UTC 2012 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [HippoDraw] HippoDraw-devel-1.21.3-2.fc17.i686 requires python-numarray HippoDraw-devel-1.21.3-2.fc17.x86_64 requires python-numarray

Re: Machine-readable text format for log and config files

2012-02-17 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Hello, On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Alexander Sauta demos...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to propose possibly less destructive but yet efficient solution for this problem: machine-readable text logs. The most famous such format is, definitely, JSON. I will use it to illustrate my ideas, but

Re: Thunderbird/Lightening as Calendar

2012-02-17 Thread Luca Botti
well, actually is thunderbird-lightning, because lighning as a separate application is no more. Now it lives as a thunderbird plugin. Regards On 17/02/2012 10:55, Matej Cepl wrote: On 16.2.2012 19:37, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: Just curious, when assigning the default applications I can

[python] pep 394 is accepted

2012-02-17 Thread Neal Becker
acceptance of pep 394 should be of interest to python users -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: /usrmove? - about the future

2012-02-17 Thread Nils Philippsen
On Thu, 2012-02-16 at 17:49 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/16/2012 05:33 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: complete -r if memory serves me correct then again I'm getting old and fragile... set disable-completion on into /etc/inputrc or ~/.inputr to disable it across

Re: [python] pep 394 is accepted

2012-02-17 Thread Thomas Spura
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote: acceptance of pep 394 should be of interest to python users Why? We already do that on fedora so nothing will change. (Right now we have a symlink from python2 - python and not the other way around like in the pep, but the

Re: [python] pep 394 is accepted

2012-02-17 Thread Neal Becker
Thomas Spura wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote: acceptance of pep 394 should be of interest to python users Why? We already do that on fedora so nothing will change. (Right now we have a symlink from python2 - python and not the other way around

Re: Thunderbird/Lightening as Calendar

2012-02-17 Thread Nathanael Noblet
On 02/17/2012 05:07 AM, Luca Botti wrote: well, actually is thunderbird-lightning, because lighning as a separate application is no more. Now it lives as a thunderbird plugin. Regards Yeah I understood that part but still wondering why it isn't an option for calendar. Is it missing

systemd system unit files and UsrMove

2012-02-17 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
I'm a fan of systemd [1]. And although I didn't like the fact that unit files were stored in /lib, I understood the rationale since there was no /share. However, I've just recently discovered [2] that after UsrMove unit files will be stored in /usr/lib. Can we not do better than this? And I'd

Re: [python] pep 394 is accepted

2012-02-17 Thread Thomas Spura
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote: Thomas Spura wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote: acceptance of pep 394 should be of interest to python users Why? We already do that on fedora so nothing will change. (Right

Re: /usrmove? - about the future

2012-02-17 Thread John5342
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 13:54, Nils Philippsen n...@redhat.com wrote: This disables normal non-programmable tab-completion for me. Also, if you want the (other) default settings, you need to $include /etc/inputrc on the first line of ~/.inputrc. It would really help if we shipped

Re: systemd system unit files and UsrMove

2012-02-17 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:46:58AM -0500, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: I'm a fan of systemd [1]. And although I didn't like the fact that unit files were stored in /lib, I understood the rationale since there was no /share. However, I've just recently discovered [2] that after UsrMove unit files

Re: systemd system unit files and UsrMove

2012-02-17 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:46:58AM -0500, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: I'm a fan of systemd [1]. And although I didn't like the fact that unit files were stored in /lib, I understood the rationale since there was no

Re: systemd system unit files and UsrMove

2012-02-17 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/17/2012 04:48 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Yeah -- so I see three options -- move systemd unit files to /usr/share, revert /usr/move, change rpmlint (or a fourth -- ignore this warning for f17 and move systemd unit files to /usr/share for f18). Which are you advocating? If you are going

Re: systemd system unit files and UsrMove

2012-02-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.02.2012 18:00, schrieb Nathaniel McCallum: Move systemd unit files to /usr/share and provide simple logic to fall back /lib, so as not to break upgrades with custom unit files. I am certainly not advocating a bad user experience. If the schedule doesn't permit it, I'm ok with

Re: systemd system unit files and UsrMove

2012-02-17 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
2012/2/17 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com On 02/17/2012 04:48 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Yeah -- so I see three options -- move systemd unit files to /usr/share, revert /usr/move, change rpmlint (or a fourth -- ignore this warning for f17 and move systemd unit files to /usr/share

Re: systemd system unit files and UsrMove

2012-02-17 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.netwrote: Am 17.02.2012 18:00, schrieb Nathaniel McCallum: Move systemd unit files to /usr/share and provide simple logic to fall back /lib, so as not to break upgrades with custom unit files. I am certainly not advocating

Re: systemd system unit files and UsrMove

2012-02-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.02.2012 18:09, schrieb Nathaniel McCallum: 2012/2/17 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com mailto:johan...@gmail.com On 02/17/2012 04:48 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Yeah -- so I see three options -- move systemd unit files to /usr/share, revert

Re: systemd system unit files and UsrMove

2012-02-17 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/17/2012 05:09 PM, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: Sure, as time permits and when such can be done without harming user experience. Why bother only with unit files? Users never touch those the ones in /lib/systemd/system or /usr/lib/systemd/system anyway so there is no breakage for them...

Re: systemd system unit files and UsrMove

2012-02-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.02.2012 18:16, schrieb Nathaniel McCallum: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 17.02.2012 18:00, schrieb Nathaniel McCallum: Move systemd unit files to /usr/share and provide simple logic to fall

Re: systemd system unit files and UsrMove

2012-02-17 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.netwrote: Am 17.02.2012 18:09, schrieb Nathaniel McCallum: 2012/2/17 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com mailto: johan...@gmail.com On 02/17/2012 04:48 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Yeah -- so I see

Re: systemd system unit files and UsrMove

2012-02-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.02.2012 18:20, schrieb Nathaniel McCallum: Sure, as time permits and when such can be done without harming user experience. FOR WHAT REASON? such changes do ALWAYS harming user experience why? becaus eoperating systems are (or where it seems) made to give

Re: systemd system unit files and UsrMove

2012-02-17 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Fri, 2012-02-17 at 17:17 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/17/2012 05:09 PM, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: Sure, as time permits and when such can be done without harming user experience. Why bother only with unit files? Users never touch those the ones in /lib/systemd/system

Re: systemd system unit files and UsrMove

2012-02-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On 2012-02-17 10:28, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On Fri, 2012-02-17 at 17:17 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/17/2012 05:09 PM, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: Sure, as time permits and when such can be done without harming user experience. Why bother only with unit files? Users never

Re: systemd system unit files and UsrMove

2012-02-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Feb 17, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: Tone down the rhetoric please. I'm no expert, but I think the UsrMove issue has pushed some people beyond anxiety disorder. MDMA or diazepam would probably have a higher efficacy than more emails on the subject. Chris Murphy-- devel

Re: systemd system unit files and UsrMove

2012-02-17 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 17 février 2012 18:02, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson a écrit : On 02/17/2012 04:48 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Yeah -- so I see three options -- move systemd unit files to /usr/share, revert /usr/move, change rpmlint (or a fourth -- ignore this warning for f17 and move systemd unit files to

Re: systemd system unit files and UsrMove

2012-02-17 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 17 février 2012 18:40, Adam Williamson a écrit : On 2012-02-17 10:28, Stephen Gallagher wrote: Well, as we discussed the other day on IRC, we pretty much all agreed that it's not in the spirit of the FHS to have these files in /lib or /usr/lib. The only reason they were ever in /lib

Re: systemd system unit files and UsrMove

2012-02-17 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 06:25:23PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 17.02.2012 18:20, schrieb Nathaniel McCallum: Sure, as time permits and when such can be done without harming user experience. FOR WHAT REASON? such changes do ALWAYS harming user experience

/usrmove in rawhide?

2012-02-17 Thread Matthias Runge
Greetings, recently, I'm getting a broken dependency for eventlog in rawhide. Looking at the spec: Conflicts: filesystem 3 Requires(post): /usr/sbin/ldconfig Requires(postun): /usr/sbin/ldconfig ldconfig should live in /usr/sbin, since the /usr-move should have landed in rawhide

Re: Self Introduction

2012-02-17 Thread Kevin Wright
On Feb 17, 2012, at 2:16 AM, Roman Kennke wrote: Hi there, My name is Roman Kennke, and I am about to build my first Fedora package, and hope it can be accepted into the Fedora project (see below). Let me quickly introduce myself. I am currently a Software Engineer in Red Hat's Java

Re: Audacity - audio editor - test request

2012-02-17 Thread Richard Vickery
Hi David: Have you received an indication from anyone to do this? I would like to help test it; how am I to get it off the site using Google-Chrome? On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:58 AM, David Timms dti...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi, It appears Audacity is getting close to v2 release (it's been in 1.3

Re: Audacity - audio editor - test request

2012-02-17 Thread David Timms
On 18/02/12 09:46, Richard Vickery wrote: Have you received an indication from anyone to do this? No, actually. Although I thought I sent it to the test list but see now I sent to devel. I would like to help test it; how am I to get it off the site using Google-Chrome? Looks like I built a

Fedora 17 Alpha status: open blockers, karma requests and blocker/NTH vote requests

2012-02-17 Thread Adam Williamson
Hey, folks. Here's another Alpha status report, focusing on open blocker/NTH issues and updates that need karma. As always, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers lists open blockers more or less in real time. Here's a quick summary of requested actions for the impatient: *

[Bug 794709] New: perl-File-Listing-6.04 is available

2012-02-17 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: perl-File-Listing-6.04 is available https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=794709 Summary: perl-File-Listing-6.04 is available Product: Fedora

[Bug 794714] New: perl-Object-InsideOut-3.89 is available

2012-02-17 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: perl-Object-InsideOut-3.89 is available https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=794714 Summary: perl-Object-InsideOut-3.89 is available Product:

[Bug 794713] New: perl-Net-HTTP-6.03 is available

2012-02-17 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: perl-Net-HTTP-6.03 is available https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=794713 Summary: perl-Net-HTTP-6.03 is available Product: Fedora

[Bug 794712] New: perl-Module-Runtime-0.013 is available

2012-02-17 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: perl-Module-Runtime-0.013 is available https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=794712 Summary: perl-Module-Runtime-0.013 is available Product:

[Bug 794711] New: perl-HTTP-Message-6.03 is available

2012-02-17 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: perl-HTTP-Message-6.03 is available https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=794711 Summary: perl-HTTP-Message-6.03 is available Product: Fedora

[Bug 794716] New: perl-Term-ProgressBar-2.11 is available

2012-02-17 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: perl-Term-ProgressBar-2.11 is available https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=794716 Summary: perl-Term-ProgressBar-2.11 is available Product:

File Term-ProgressBar-2.11.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by psabata

2012-02-17 Thread Petr Šabata
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Term-ProgressBar: 7cb929bed5ca6ab9181d0c66d048264f Term-ProgressBar-2.11.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Term-ProgressBar] 2.11 bump

2012-02-17 Thread Petr Šabata
commit a6d541777ff4b6415cf7f4adadb50cee96083ae6 Author: Petr Šabata con...@redhat.com Date: Fri Feb 17 13:33:39 2012 +0100 2.11 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-Term-ProgressBar.spec | 17 - sources|2 +- 3 files changed, 6

[Bug 794716] perl-Term-ProgressBar-2.11 is available

2012-02-17 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=794716 Petr Šabata psab...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

[389-devel] Please review: [389 Project] #298: crash when replicating orphaned tombstone entry

2012-02-17 Thread Noriko Hosoi
https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/298 https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/298/0001-Trac-Ticket-298-crash-when-replicating-orphaned-tomb.patch Fix description: 1. The cause of the crash was freeing a to-be-added entry in tombstone_to_glue although the entry is consumed in