EPEL Fedora 6 updates-testing report

2013-11-02 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 6 Security updates need testing: Age URL 560 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2012-5620/bugzilla-3.4.14-2.el6 74 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2013-11274/ssmtp-2.61-21.el6 35

Re: Fedora search

2013-11-02 Thread Frankie Onuonga
Hi folks, I trust all is well. I believe this email will spark something so I will cc Kevin in it because of multiple reasons. I would like somethings to be clear from the word go. I am not too sure where to start with this email. I have combined emotions of extremely mad and extremely excited

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-02 Thread Christian Schaller
- Original Message - SNIP It looks like it is designed only for developers by developers. What about graphic designers, musicians, document writers, etc.? They all are not mentioned as target audience. Per this document, those would fall into the Other users section.

Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime ?

2013-11-02 Thread Tim Lauridsen
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Ray Strode halfl...@gmail.com wrote: Small errors here: liControl want package repositories there is enabled for current session/li maybe should be: liControl what package repositories are enabled for the current session/li Thanks, fixed upstream

Re: $HOME/.local/bin in $PATH

2013-11-02 Thread drago01
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Christopher ctubb...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 5:38 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Andrew Haley a...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/30/2013 10:27 AM, Alec Leamas wrote: On 2013-10-30 11:23, Reindl Harald wrote: Am

Re: Fedora search

2013-11-02 Thread Dridi Boukelmoune
I'm mentioning it just because nobody has so far. Elastic Search[1] which is also lucene-based, was designed from the very beginning to be distributed (in contrast to solr). The product hasn't reached the symbolic 1.0 yet but is production-ready (for instance github[2] uses it). Dridi [1]

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-02 Thread Christian Schaller
Hi Bill, It is a good question. It does seem a bit more detailed than the level I tried to put this document on, so maybe should a style guide would be part of second stage working group output. But what probably would belong in this document would be a paragraph saying we intend to come up

OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-02 Thread Gregory Maxwell
Greetings. Cisco has announced that they will be releasing an implementation of a BSD licensed H.264 (baseline profile) encoder and decoder, along with offering download of binaries of it under Cisco's licensing umbrella:

Re: Fedora Working Groups: Call for Self-Nominations

2013-11-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matthias Clasen wrote: On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 04:40 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Bill Nottingham wrote: And I would argue that having the user interface swing wildly in design implementation based on the current composition of an elected board that is refreshed in part every six months is

Re: Fedora Working Groups: Call for Self-Nominations

2013-11-02 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 16:17 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Matthias Clasen wrote: On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 04:40 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: That's a very lame excuse for sticking with an awful desktop environment as the default just because it is the status quo. Not excellent...please avoid

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Richard Hughes wrote: Not update, we do all updates offline now. Ewww! Yuck! Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Packages have proxy word.

2013-11-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
مصعب الزعبي wrote: Then do new rule to write proxies instead of proxy, at Fedora packaging guidlines. Renaming packages, censoring descriptions etc. in Fedora at the whims of governments (of countries Fedora isn't supposed to be exported to in the first place) is not going to happen. Sorry.

RE: Packages have proxy word.

2013-11-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
مصعب الزعبي wrote: Also this law is under restudy, Due to War in Syria. Wasn't Syria actually READDED to the list of banned countries due to the civil war? Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 03:35:18PM +, Richard Hughes wrote: right-click-update in the app menu list, and other fun stuff like that? Not update, we do all updates offline now. Richard, who is we in this context? And what is offline? -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller wrote: Attached is the draft PRD for the Workstation working group. Quoting from the draft: Ability to play 3D games from commercial publishers distributing games for Linux and later: 3rd party software Fedora Workstation will work with partners and ISVs to

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 08:11:48 -0700, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: I personally believe it would probably be helpful to the discussion if Fedora is able to reach a (preliminary?) decision on if OpenH264 (as described) will be able to be used by Fedora systems (e.g. by having

Re: Packages have proxy word.

2013-11-02 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 11/2/13 10:50 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: مصعب الزعبي wrote: Then do new rule to write proxies instead of proxy, at Fedora packaging guidlines. Renaming packages, censoring descriptions etc. in Fedora at the whims of governments (of countries Fedora isn't supposed to be exported to in the

Re: Packages have proxy word.

2013-11-02 Thread Basil Mohamed Gohar
On 11/02/2013 12:46 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 11/2/13 10:50 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: مصعب الزعبي wrote: Then do new rule to write proxies instead of proxy, at Fedora packaging guidlines. Renaming packages, censoring descriptions etc. in Fedora at the whims of governments (of countries

Re: Packages have proxy word.

2013-11-02 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 11/2/13 11:48 AM, Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote: On 11/02/2013 12:46 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 11/2/13 10:50 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: مصعب الزعبي wrote: Then do new rule to write proxies instead of proxy, at Fedora packaging guidlines. Renaming packages, censoring descriptions etc. in Fedora

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Josh Boyer wrote: On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Markus Mayer lotharl...@gmx.de wrote: Is there a reaseon why 'web development tools' are listed seperatly? What about C/C++ development tools? Are they just 2nd grade tools? No, but they're already implicitly included considering every

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-02 Thread Michael Catanzaro
Another important point is that future versions of Firefox will download and install (I'm not quite sure where) the binary from Cisco's website, unless some about:config setting is disabled. I imagine this could possibly mean H.264 will work only in Firefox but not other browsers, which would

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-02 Thread Jon
Do the codes only apply to WebRTC consumers, or can these be used in other context? For example Gnome has ctrl+alt+shift+R to screen-cast, which saves in webM format. Could that switch to whatever h.264 format with Cisco bits? Maybe get the lawyers to look at this? -Jon Disnard irc: masta fas:

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-02 Thread Naheem Zaffar
From my understanding, they can be used in any context. It would probably be interesting if cisco can be convinced to make a gstreamer plugin that is than automatically downloaded - that will have a wide benefit. (they have stated that they are willing to support as many platforms as possible.

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bill Nottingham wrote: Something that doesn't seem specified here is any sort of a design style or guide for how apps used in the Workstation should generally be built and function. Is there intended to be that sort of standard? Indeed, the document carefully eschews this question, which goes

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 12:05 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: Richard, who is we in this context? And what is offline? we = GNOME, via systemd offline = Install Updates Restart [1]. Your computer shuts down, installs updates, shuts down again, and then boots back to GDM. This has been around since

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-02 Thread Florian Müllner
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: The intention is that any parties capable of obtaining and running the provided binaries[...] can have a fully licensed implementation of H.264 at no cost. IANAL, but I am sure that this will not be included in any

Re: rpm macro magic help

2013-11-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Hi, Sandro Mani wrote: %define do_build() \ mkdir build_win%{1}_%{2}; \ (cd build_win%{1}_%{2}; \ %{mingw%{1}_qmake_%{2}} 'PREFIX=%{mingw%{1}_prefix}' 'TARGET=quazip-%{2}' ../libquazip; \ %{mingw%{1}_make} %{?_smp_mflags}; \ )\ %{nil} Ewww! Sorry to rain on your parade, but are you sure

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.11.2013 18:16, schrieb Michael Catanzaro: The other change I want is for PackageKit to download updates weekly by default. Currently updates come daily, but daily offline updates would be completely absurd. All we have to do to support this is to change the default value of one

RE: Packages have proxy word.

2013-11-02 Thread مصعب الزعبي
Yes HTTPS works, I think add https://dl.fedoraproject.org to mirrorlist will solve this problem. -=-=-=-=-=- Mosaab Alzoubi Senior of Linux Arab Community http://linuxac.org Member of Ojuba Project http://ojuba.org Member of Arab Eyes project http://arabeyes.org Maintainer of Almasa project

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 18:22 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 02.11.2013 18:16, schrieb Michael Catanzaro: The other change I want is for PackageKit to download updates weekly by default. Currently updates come daily, but daily offline updates would be completely absurd. All we have to do to

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Michael Catanzaro wrote: Another important point is that future versions of Firefox will download and install (I'm not quite sure where) the binary from Cisco's website, unless some about:config setting is disabled. I imagine this could possibly mean H.264 will work only in Firefox but not

Re: rpm macro magic help

2013-11-02 Thread Sandro Mani
On 02.11.2013 18:18, Kevin Kofler wrote: Hi, Sandro Mani wrote: %define do_build() \ mkdir build_win%{1}_%{2}; \ (cd build_win%{1}_%{2}; \ %{mingw%{1}_qmake_%{2}} 'PREFIX=%{mingw%{1}_prefix}' 'TARGET=quazip-%{2}' ../libquazip; \ %{mingw%{1}_make} %{?_smp_mflags}; \ )\ %{nil} Ewww! Sorry to

Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime ?

2013-11-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 18:33 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 11:01 +, Richard Hughes wrote: Sure. GNOME is a complete desktop, not a collection of packages designed to be replaced. Personally, I see little benefit in prohibiting users from removing core

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Gregory Maxwell wrote: Cisco has announced that they will be releasing an implementation of a BSD licensed H.264 (baseline profile) encoder and decoder, along with offering download of binaries of it under Cisco's licensing umbrella:

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 01:34:40PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: The logic I recently implemented for gnome-software 3.12 in F21 is to check for new updates once per day, and download updates when they are important (e.g. security updates), or when it has been a week since the last time we

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 12:01 -0500, Jon wrote: Do the codes only apply to WebRTC consumers, or can these be used in other context? For example Gnome has ctrl+alt+shift+R to screen-cast, which saves in webM format. Could that switch to whatever h.264 format with Cisco bits? Why ? Is there any

Re: bad use of Dist Tag in some packages of rawhide

2013-11-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: BAD use of %{dist} tag(75): == afpfs-ng-0.8.1-13.fc21.3.src.rpm 13.fc21.3 [and many similar examples] NOTABUG: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:NamingGuidelines#Minor_release_bumps_for_old_branches (the next paragraph right after the

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 13:55:47 -0400, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 12:01 -0500, Jon wrote: Do the codes only apply to WebRTC consumers, or can these be used in other context? For example Gnome has ctrl+alt+shift+R to screen-cast, which saves in webM

Re: bad use of Dist Tag in some packages of rawhide

2013-11-02 Thread Xose Vazquez Perez
Kevin Kofler wrote: Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: BAD use of %{dist} tag(75): == afpfs-ng-0.8.1-13.fc21.3.src.rpm 13.fc21.3 [and many similar examples] NOTABUG: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:NamingGuidelines#Minor_release_bumps_for_old_branches (the next

Re: Fedora search

2013-11-02 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 06:02:57 + Frankie Onuonga frankie.onuo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I trust all is well. I believe this email will spark something so I will cc Kevin in it because of multiple reasons. I would like somethings to be clear from the word go. I am not too sure

RE: Packages have proxy word.

2013-11-02 Thread مصعب الزعبي
First , I ask very important questions: Is Fedora a global community or not ?? Is Fedora working for Freedom or not ?? I need answers, truly. Fedora is a global community, not company, published under free license for fredom of computers. Fedora has many many mirrors around the world, nobody

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.atwrote: Richard Hughes wrote: Not update, we do all updates offline now. Ewww! Yuck! Can you stop with these childish responses? As a KDE contributor, it is understandable if you don't agree with GNOME decisions but

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 13:55:47 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: Why ? Is there any problem with using webm for this ? Because some browser manufacturers are refusing to use vp8 Local screen recording has no connection to the

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-02 Thread Florian Weimer
* Gregory Maxwell: The intention is that any parties capable of obtaining and running the provided binaries (and they intended to be maximally inclusive of which platforms they build for) can have a fully licensed implementation of H.264 at no cost. I expect that the actual licensing terms

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 13:28 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 13:55:47 -0400, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 12:01 -0500, Jon wrote: Do the codes only apply to WebRTC consumers, or can these be used in other context? For example

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Richard Hughes
On 2 November 2013 17:47, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I'm not really excited about a lot of required rebooting, though -- I think that might be worse than the disease. We should have most of the information needed to determine if a reboot is really necessary, shouldn't we? I

Re: bad use of Dist Tag in some packages of rawhide

2013-11-02 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 19:39:38 +0100, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: Kevin Kofler wrote: Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: BAD use of %{dist} tag(75): == afpfs-ng-0.8.1-13.fc21.3.src.rpm 13.fc21.3 [and many similar examples] NOTABUG:

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.11.2013 21:02, schrieb Richard Hughes: On 2 November 2013 17:47, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I'm not really excited about a lot of required rebooting, though -- I think that might be worse than the disease. We should have most of the information needed to determine

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-02 Thread Björn Persson
Gregory Maxwell wrote: Cisco has announced that they will be releasing an implementation of a BSD licensed H.264 (baseline profile) encoder and decoder, along with offering download of binaries of it under Cisco's licensing umbrella:

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Richard Hughes
On 2 November 2013 20:27, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: lsof | grep DEL | grep /usr shows any opened but deleted file which is the case after updfates while applications are running Doesn't work with libreoffice, firefox or any application that loads plugins or modules. hence

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.11.2013 21:35, schrieb Richard Hughes: On 2 November 2013 20:27, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: lsof | grep DEL | grep /usr shows any opened but deleted file which is the case after updfates while applications are running Doesn't work with libreoffice, firefox or any

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-02 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 20:45 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: I expect that the actual licensing terms will only cover end users for their own personal, non-commercial use (the language used in the end user licensing terms for existing platform codecs in Windows and Flash). These terms will be

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-02 Thread Mateusz Marzantowicz
On 01.11.2013 19:15, Josh Boyer wrote: On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz mmarzantow...@osdf.com.pl wrote: On 01.11.2013 15:24, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller wrote: Hi everyone, Attached is the draft PRD for the Workstation working group. The proposal tries to be

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 20:35 +, Richard Hughes wrote: Doesn't work with libreoffice, firefox or any application that loads plugins or modules. I thought applications shipping desktop files would be updated online, and other packages would trigger offline updates. Has this plan changed?

Re: bad use of Dist Tag in some packages of rawhide

2013-11-02 Thread Xose Vazquez Perez
On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 19:39:38 +0100, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: _rawhide_ is not an *old branch* . And it never was. To have {?dist}.X in rawhide should be impossible. It breaks the laws of thermodynamics!! It looks ugly, but it's harmless. Harmless or not, but it breaks the Fedora

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Richard Hughes
On 2 November 2013 21:08, Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: I thought applications shipping desktop files would be updated online, and other packages would trigger offline updates. Has this plan changed? Yes, everything requires an offline update now. Richard. -- devel mailing

Re: Packages have proxy word.

2013-11-02 Thread Michael Scherer
Le samedi 02 novembre 2013 à 21:20 +0200, مصعب الزعبي a écrit : First , I ask very important questions: Is Fedora a global community or not ?? It is a global community, and as such, need sometime to take steps for the global community rather than for a local one. While the situation with

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.11.2013 22:13, schrieb Richard Hughes: On 2 November 2013 21:08, Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: I thought applications shipping desktop files would be updated online, and other packages would trigger offline updates. Has this plan changed? Yes, everything requires an

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Michael Scherer
Le samedi 02 novembre 2013 à 21:40 +0100, Reindl Harald a écrit : Am 02.11.2013 21:35, schrieb Richard Hughes: On 2 November 2013 20:27, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: lsof | grep DEL | grep /usr shows any opened but deleted file which is the case after updfates while

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-02 Thread Florian Weimer
* Michael Catanzaro: On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 20:45 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: I expect that the actual licensing terms will only cover end users for their own personal, non-commercial use (the language used in the end user licensing terms for existing platform codecs in Windows and Flash).

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.11.2013 22:29, schrieb Michael Scherer: Ars technica summarize quite clearly the situation on this problem : http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/its-the-little-things-how-small-conundrums-make-many-hate-computers/ And I do not even speak of the users who reboot

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Lukáš Tinkl
Dne 2.11.2013 22:13, Richard Hughes napsal(a): On 2 November 2013 21:08, Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: I thought applications shipping desktop files would be updated online, and other packages would trigger offline updates. Has this plan changed? Yes, everything requires an

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 08:02:51PM +, Richard Hughes wrote: update fails, you either get corrupted data and crashing application, or a hosed rpmdb. In a related point, we need to reduce the number of updates we present to the user in a massive way in a supposedly stable distro. I think we

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Michael Scherer
Le samedi 02 novembre 2013 à 22:35 +0100, Reindl Harald a écrit : Am 02.11.2013 22:29, schrieb Michael Scherer: Ars technica summarize quite clearly the situation on this problem :

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 17:46 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: So, really, it's this related point that I'm concerned about now. We _need_ to do these things in coordination, not just push a situation into F20 where we are telling our users to reboot everyday -- that's a pretty bad user experience.

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.11.2013 23:21, schrieb Matthias Clasen: Then change the way that updates to the released distribution are treated. As long as we don't constrain the constant stream of barely tested updates, we *are* pretty much forcing our users to restart their system frequently. i am using

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 06:21:34PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: So, really, it's this related point that I'm concerned about now. We _need_ to do these things in coordination, not just push a situation into F20 where we are telling our users to reboot everyday -- that's a pretty bad user

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 18:38 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 06:21:34PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: So, really, it's this related point that I'm concerned about now. We _need_ to do these things in coordination, not just push a situation into F20 where we

Re: bad use of Dist Tag in some packages of rawhide

2013-11-02 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 22:11:19 +0100, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 19:39:38 +0100, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: _rawhide_ is not an *old branch* . And it never was. To have {?dist}.X in rawhide should be impossible. It breaks the laws of thermodynamics!! It looks

Re: bad use of Dist Tag in some packages of rawhide

2013-11-02 Thread Xose Vazquez Perez
Kevin Kofler wrote: It's incredible how many instances of invalid pre-release versioning we have. Those guidelines are very important because they avoid useless Epoch bumps, and thus it is all the more important to get them right the first time (because if you screw up, you usually cannot fix

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-02 Thread Christian Schaller
The PRD avoids these questions by design. To often open source discussions end up being discussions about the merits of the means as opposed to the actual goals. It should be a sobering notion that for all the years when the community discussed if the a successful desktop should be implemented

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-02 Thread Christian Schaller
Funnily enough I had a discussion last week where it turned out the disagreement wasn't so much a disagreement, but a different contextualisation of the word 'support'. And I think that will be the crux here too. To me the main part of 'supporting' something here will be in handling our ABI

Broken dependencies: perl-PDL

2013-11-02 Thread buildsys
perl-PDL has broken dependencies in the F-20 tree: On x86_64: perl-PDL-2.4.10-6.fc19.x86_64 requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.16.2) perl-PDL-2.4.10-6.fc19.x86_64 requires libgd.so.2()(64bit) On i386: perl-PDL-2.4.10-6.fc19.i686 requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.16.2)

Broken dependencies: perl-MIME-Lite-HTML

2013-11-02 Thread buildsys
perl-MIME-Lite-HTML has broken dependencies in the F-20 tree: On x86_64: perl-MIME-Lite-HTML-1.24-4.fc18.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.16.0) On i386: perl-MIME-Lite-HTML-1.24-4.fc18.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.16.0) On armhfp:

Broken dependencies: perl-BerkeleyDB

2013-11-02 Thread buildsys
perl-BerkeleyDB has broken dependencies in the F-20 tree: On x86_64: perl-BerkeleyDB-0.53-1.fc20.x86_64 requires libdb = 0:5.3.21 On i386: perl-BerkeleyDB-0.53-1.fc20.i686 requires libdb = 0:5.3.21 On armhfp: perl-BerkeleyDB-0.53-1.fc20.armv7hl requires libdb = 0:5.3.21

Broken dependencies: perl-Language-Expr

2013-11-02 Thread buildsys
perl-Language-Expr has broken dependencies in the F-20 tree: On x86_64: perl-Language-Expr-0.19-4.fc19.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.16.2) On i386: perl-Language-Expr-0.19-4.fc19.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.16.2) On armhfp:

Broken dependencies: perl-Padre

2013-11-02 Thread buildsys
perl-Padre has broken dependencies in the F-20 tree: On x86_64: perl-Padre-0.90-6.fc18.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.16.0) On i386: perl-Padre-0.90-6.fc18.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.16.0) On armhfp: perl-Padre-0.90-6.fc18.noarch requires

Broken dependencies: slic3r

2013-11-02 Thread buildsys
slic3r has broken dependencies in the F-20 tree: On x86_64: slic3r-0.9.10b-2.fc20.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.16.3) On i386: slic3r-0.9.10b-2.fc20.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.16.3) On armhfp: slic3r-0.9.10b-2.fc20.noarch requires

Broken dependencies: perl-Language-Expr

2013-11-02 Thread buildsys
perl-Language-Expr has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree: On x86_64: perl-Language-Expr-0.19-4.fc19.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.16.2) On i386: perl-Language-Expr-0.19-4.fc19.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.16.2) On armhfp:

[Bug 1026011] New: perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.063 is available

2013-11-02 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1026011 Bug ID: 1026011 Summary: perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.063 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged

[Bug 1026010] New: perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2-2.063 is available

2013-11-02 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1026010 Bug ID: 1026010 Summary: perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2-2.063 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2 Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged

[Bug 1026009] New: perl-Class-Tiny-0.012 is available

2013-11-02 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1026009 Bug ID: 1026009 Summary: perl-Class-Tiny-0.012 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-Class-Tiny Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee:

[Bug 1026013] New: perl-DB_File-1.830 is available

2013-11-02 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1026013 Bug ID: 1026013 Summary: perl-DB_File-1.830 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-DB_File Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee:

[Bug 1026014] New: perl-IO-Compress-2.063 is available

2013-11-02 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1026014 Bug ID: 1026014 Summary: perl-IO-Compress-2.063 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-IO-Compress Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee:

[Bug 1026016] New: perl-XML-LibXML-2.0107 is available

2013-11-02 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1026016 Bug ID: 1026016 Summary: perl-XML-LibXML-2.0107 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-XML-LibXML Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee:

Broken dependencies: perl-Authen-Simple

2013-11-02 Thread buildsys
perl-Authen-Simple has broken dependencies in the epel-6 tree: On ppc64: perl-Authen-Simple-0.4-5.el6.noarch requires perl(Crypt::PasswdMD5) Please resolve this as soon as possible. -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list

Broken dependencies: perl-WWW-GoodData

2013-11-02 Thread buildsys
perl-WWW-GoodData has broken dependencies in the epel-5 tree: On ppc: perl-WWW-GoodData-1.6-1.el5.noarch requires perl(Getopt::Long) = 0:2.36 On i386: perl-WWW-GoodData-1.6-1.el5.noarch requires perl(Getopt::Long) = 0:2.36 Please resolve this as soon as possible. -- Fedora

Broken dependencies: perl-WWW-GoodData

2013-11-02 Thread buildsys
perl-WWW-GoodData has broken dependencies in the epel-5 tree: On ppc: perl-WWW-GoodData-1.6-1.el5.noarch requires perl(Getopt::Long) = 0:2.36 On i386: perl-WWW-GoodData-1.6-1.el5.noarch requires perl(Getopt::Long) = 0:2.36 Please resolve this as soon as possible. -- Fedora