Re: EPEL Retire from maintainership duties

2013-11-06 Thread Michael Stahnke
I'm curious as to why. Feel to reply off list if you think this is too off-topic. On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Peter Lemenkov lemen...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All! I'm going to stop further maintaining all EL branches of the following packages: *

Re: EPEL Retire from maintainership duties

2013-11-06 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2013/11/7 Sam Kottler skott...@redhat.com: I'll take over nagios-plugins, nagios-plugins-check_sip, and nrpe. Can you orphan those packages so I can become the owner? Done. -- With best regards, Peter Lemenkov. ___ epel-devel mailing list

Re: EPEL Retire from maintainership duties

2013-11-06 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2013/11/7 Ken Dreyer ktdre...@ktdreyer.com: On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Peter Lemenkov lemen...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot for maintaining ejabberd. I actually just set this service up last week on a CentOS 6 server, and my co-workers are benefitting from the work that you've done to

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-06 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 11/04/2013 07:30 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote: A media codec should not be a system wide component (I'd go as far as saying it should not be user-session wide, but application bundled). ??? Would you so apply the same reasoning to libjpeg and libtiff? Security nightmare. -- Roberto Ragusa

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - Bastien Nocera wrote: Might not want to put answers in people's mouths. Did you read up on the various bundling techniques that were explored and the API/ABI guarantees we want to offer? I'll stop short of paraphrasing you. The fact that bundling is even

Re: Package reviev : tayga

2013-11-06 Thread Alexey I. Froloff
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 05:14:22PM +1030, William Brown wrote: I am looking to have the following package reviewed for inclusion into fedora. I'll review it. BUGNO or didn't happen? ;-) -- Regards,-- Sir Raorn. --- http://thousandsofhate.blogspot.com/ signature.asc Description:

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.11.2013 10:56, schrieb Bastien Nocera: - Original Message - Bastien Nocera wrote: Might not want to put answers in people's mouths. Did you read up on the various bundling techniques that were explored and the API/ABI guarantees we want to offer? I'll stop short of

Re: Package reviev : tayga

2013-11-06 Thread Alexey I. Froloff
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 05:14:22PM +1030, William Brown wrote: I have attached the SRPM of what I have created. I just figured, that you are asking questions before actually creating review request... Should the ifup/ifdown script generate the tayga.conf on the fly to say /var/run/tmp

AppData questions

2013-11-06 Thread Michael Schwendt
I'm trying to follow what's happening related to gnome-software and the .appdata.xml files. There is a growing number of mails, but I cannot find any message that points out what the file # rpm -qf /usr/share/app-info/xmls/fedora-20.xml.gz gnome-software-3.10.3-1.fc20.x86_64 does. For

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - Am 06.11.2013 10:56, schrieb Bastien Nocera: - Original Message - Bastien Nocera wrote: Might not want to put answers in people's mouths. Did you read up on the various bundling techniques that were explored and the API/ABI guarantees we want to

Re: Fedora Workstation product name

2013-11-06 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 11:25:18AM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: The Fedora Workstation effort (not a great name, by the way), is brand It doesn't have to end up with that name, for the record. That's just a working title and indicative of the conversation at

Re: Fedora Workstation product name

2013-11-06 Thread drago01
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 11:25:18AM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: The Fedora Workstation effort (not a great name, by the way), is brand It doesn't have to end up with that name, for the

Re: [Fedora Base Design WG] Committee FESCO approved, next steps

2013-11-06 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - Howdy folks. Looking forward to getting to work on base design. Regarding the voting members I feel we have a great group. Everyone intersted (voting or not) should participate in our discussions. My vote will certainly be influenced by anyone in the community

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2013-11-06

Removing myself from OpenSER maintainers

2013-11-06 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello All! I should have done this months ago - I'm removing myself from the OpenSER maintainers. The upstream is dead for a very long time, and everyone who's still using OpenSER must migrate to OpenSIPS (available in Fedora/EPEL) or Kamailio (n/a in Fedora/EPEL). Just for your info - I'll

Retiring jbrout

2013-11-06 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello All. I'm no longer using it so I'm going to retire it. Feel free to take it over. -- With best regards, Peter Lemenkov. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct:

File DBD-mysql-4.025.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by jplesnik

2013-11-06 Thread Jitka Plesnikova
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-DBD-MySQL: 093ed74c3bd327d4e0d0bc70d1035ac3 DBD-mysql-4.025.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Removing myself from mldonkey maintainers

2013-11-06 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello All! Feel free to grab if interested. But I advise you to switch to transmission. -- With best regards, Peter Lemenkov. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this? .fesco 1193 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193 Didn't this terrible idea die already? Please don't do this. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group,

Re: [Fedora Base Design WG] Committee FESCO approved, next steps

2013-11-06 Thread Phil Knirsch
On 11/04/2013 07:01 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/04/2013 11:07 AM, Phil Knirsch wrote: Hi everyone. A quick update from my side regarding the Base Design WG: - My proposed committee was approved by FESCO last Wednesday. One negative vote

Retiring stratagus

2013-11-06 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello All! I'm removing myself from the stratagus maintainers. It has two co-maintainers but afaik automatic package re-assignment to a new maintainer never worked. So if you interested then pick it up. -- With best regards, Peter Lemenkov. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora Workstation product name

2013-11-06 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 11:25:18AM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: The Fedora Workstation effort (not a great name, by the way), is brand It doesn't have to

Re: [389-devel] Please review lib389 ticket 47584: CI tests: add backup/restore of an instance

2013-11-06 Thread Roberto Polli
On Wednesday 06 November 2013 14:26:22 thierry bordaz wrote: for example log.level=info mean we log fatal/warning/debug ? Yes. Check import logging documentation. the verbose+log approach may have some performance advantage in webapp, but I think that's not the case see -

Re: [Fedora Base Design WG] Committee FESCO approved, next steps

2013-11-06 Thread Phil Knirsch
On 11/06/2013 05:43 AM, Jon wrote: On Nov 4, 2013 12:01 PM, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com mailto:sgall...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/04/2013 11:07 AM, Phil Knirsch wrote: Hi everyone. A quick update from my side regarding the

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 12:59:00AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: In short: Make the defaults as sane as possible, but still allow the user to change them if they disagree with you on what is sane. The more options, the better. The definition given by Frank Murphy is totally different and

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 01:00:16AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Bastien Nocera wrote: Might not want to put answers in people's mouths. Did you read up on the various bundling techniques that were explored and the API/ABI guarantees we want to offer? I'll stop short of paraphrasing you.

Re: [Fedora Base Design WG] Committee FESCO approved, next steps

2013-11-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Phil Knirsch pknir...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/06/2013 05:43 AM, Jon wrote: Another item I'd like to consider for the initial discussion is the release cycle for the base design. My feeling is that base is small enough and simple enough to allow a more frequent

Re: [Fedora Base Design WG] Committee FESCO approved, next steps

2013-11-06 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - One request i also already got was if we in the Base WG could take a look at containers/sandboxes for applications as well. Basically so that the technology could be used by any derived product built on top of Base. And as there are currently multiple

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 01:23:01PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: So let me step into my handy Tardis and bring back a vignette from the Real World after Fedora and other distributions bless upstream app distribution as a preferred channel: Could you give some practical programs which are

Rawhide nodebug and the 3.12 kernel

2013-11-06 Thread Justin M. Forbes
We have a slight issue with the 3.12 kernel timing in that it is too late to push it into Fedora 20, but too far away from the Fedora 20 release to just ignore the 3.13 development cycle until we can push 3.12. As a result, we will be tracking 3.12 and stable updates for it in the rawhide-nodebug

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 01:25:29AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: But many of those concerns are inherent to the concept of sandboxed applications or the methods of delivery they'd enable and cannot possibly be addressed, ever. The whole concept is fatally flawed. I'd suggest trying a different

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 12:35:59AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: I think users will not understand why all the vendor repositories with non- free crap are there and the stuff they are actually looking for is not. Whether or not proprietary is crap or not is offtopic. -- Regards, Olav -- devel

Re: Package reviev : tayga

2013-11-06 Thread William Brown
On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 14:41 +0400, Alexey I. Froloff wrote: On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 05:14:22PM +1030, William Brown wrote: I have attached the SRPM of what I have created. I just figured, that you are asking questions before actually creating review request... There is a different way to

Re: [Fedora Base Design WG] Committee FESCO approved, next steps

2013-11-06 Thread Phil Knirsch
On 11/06/2013 02:46 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Phil Knirsch pknir...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/06/2013 05:43 AM, Jon wrote: Another item I'd like to consider for the initial discussion is the release cycle for the base design. My feeling is that base is small enough

Re: Retiring stratagus

2013-11-06 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 17:30:48 +0400, Peter Lemenkov lemen...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All! I'm removing myself from the stratagus maintainers. It has two co-maintainers but afaik automatic package re-assignment to a new maintainer never worked. So if you interested then pick it up. Is this

Re: Package reviev : tayga

2013-11-06 Thread Alexey I. Froloff
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 12:46:56AM +1030, William Brown wrote: I just figured, that you are asking questions before actually creating review request... There is a different way to make an official request? (It's a learning process ...) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_Review_Process

Re: Rawhide nodebug and the 3.12 kernel

2013-11-06 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 08:00:33 -0600, Justin M. Forbes jmfor...@linuxtx.org wrote: We have a slight issue with the 3.12 kernel timing in that it is too late to push it into Fedora 20, but too far away from the Fedora 20 release to just ignore the 3.13 development cycle until we can push

Re: [Fedora Base Design WG] Committee FESCO approved, next steps

2013-11-06 Thread drago01
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Phil Knirsch pknir...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/06/2013 02:46 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Phil Knirsch pknir...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/06/2013 05:43 AM, Jon wrote: Another item I'd like to consider for the initial discussion is the

[Fedora Base Design WG] Confirmed meeting: Friday, November 8 15:00 UTC on #fedora-meeting IRC

2013-11-06 Thread Phil Knirsch
Subject says it all, thanks to Jon for making it possible to come on Friday at that time as well we now have our first official meeting time and day. The initial meeting agenda items went out with my previous email, but to be sure here are recap: - The main topics for the meeting agenda

Re: Retiring stratagus

2013-11-06 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2013/11/6 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to: On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 17:30:48 +0400, Peter Lemenkov lemen...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All! I'm removing myself from the stratagus maintainers. It has two co-maintainers but afaik automatic package re-assignment to a new maintainer never worked.

Re: Retiring stratagus

2013-11-06 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 08:41:12 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 17:30:48 +0400, Peter Lemenkov wrote: Hello All! I'm removing myself from the stratagus maintainers. It has two co-maintainers but afaik automatic package re-assignment to a new maintainer never worked. So

[Test-Announce] 2013-11-06 @ **17:00 UTC** - F20 Beta Blocker Bug Review #7

2013-11-06 Thread Tim Flink
# F20 Beta Blocker Review meeting #6 # Date: 2013-11-06 # Time: 17:00 UTC (12:00 EST, 09:00 PST) # Location: #fedora-blocker-review on irc.freenode.net It's time for another round of F20 beta blocker bug review! Please note the time change to 17:00 UTC due to the recent change in standard time

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 07:38:18AM -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: Please, add also #topic #1191 Fedora 20 schedule adjustment .fesco 1191 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1191 Added. I scheduled this in right after the OpenH264 ticket because it also needs to be decided on in a

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-06 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 09:36 +0100, Roberto Ragusa wrote: On 11/04/2013 07:30 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote: A media codec should not be a system wide component (I'd go as far as saying it should not be user-session wide, but application bundled). ??? Would you so apply the same reasoning to

Re: Retiring stratagus

2013-11-06 Thread Christopher Meng
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:54 PM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: Hmmm... http://stratagus.com/ lists version 2.2.7 from 2012-08-20, but Fedora only ships 2.2.4 from 2007-04-08. Of course it needs an update. Many other packages are in the same situation. -- devel mailing list

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Christian Schaller
SNIP So sure, we can have software that will pull things in if the user has done some manual intervention. We just cant, currently, do that thing for them. Right, that's exactly what I was saying. I just think this is all the _original poster_ was talking about, not any kind of

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.11.2013 16:05, schrieb Adam Jackson: On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 09:36 +0100, Roberto Ragusa wrote: On 11/04/2013 07:30 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote: A media codec should not be a system wide component (I'd go as far as saying it should not be user-session wide, but application bundled). ???

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 01:05:22PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this? .fesco 1193 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193 Didn't this terrible idea die

Re: Removing myself from mldonkey maintainers

2013-11-06 Thread Christopher Meng
Hi all, Being as the comaintainer of mldonkey, I'm willing to take it as the lastest version update is pushed by myself. However this is an ocaml package and I'm not familiar with ocaml, the bug 640399 about bundling codes is not easy for me to fix. If anyone is also interested in this famous

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Christian Schaller
SNIP I would actually like to go a little further, and make it easy to enable 'clean' third-party repositories. If we imagine a future where e.g. valve is hosting a repository with their steam client, or say, the chromium web browser is available from the a fedora people page, I would

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Christian Schaller cscha...@redhat.com wrote: SNIP I would actually like to go a little further, and make it easy to enable 'clean' third-party repositories. If we imagine a future where e.g. valve is hosting a repository with their steam client, or say, the

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread drago01
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this? .fesco 1193 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193 Didn't this terrible idea die

Re: [Fedora Base Design WG] Committee FESCO approved, next steps

2013-11-06 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/06/2013 09:57 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 15:38:10 +0100, Phil Knirsch pknir...@redhat.com wrote: But i do like the idea of well Overlap releases? Where most of the release would stay stable in a sense of API/ABI and

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.11.2013 16:40, schrieb Alberto Ruiz: On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 16:15 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: It's only a nightmare because we've steadfastly refused to build the tools to a) track library bundling inside app-bundles b) automate bundle rebuilds c) force replacement of bundle contents

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-06 Thread Alberto Ruiz
On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 16:15 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: It's only a nightmare because we've steadfastly refused to build the tools to a) track library bundling inside app-bundles b) automate bundle rebuilds c) force replacement of bundle contents either by sysadmin action or by policy.

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.11.2013 16:43, schrieb drago01: On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this? .fesco 1193

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread drago01
On Wednesday, November 6, 2013, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 06.11.2013 16:43, schrieb drago01: On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.comjavascript:; wrote: On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: #topic #1193 reboots for all updates --

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 07:16:23AM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 01:05:22PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this? .fesco 1193

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 04:43:18PM +0100, drago01 wrote: On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this? .fesco 1193

EPEL Retire from maintainership duties

2013-11-06 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello All! I'm going to stop further maintaining all EL branches of the following packages: * https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/users/packages/peter?acls=owner (sorry, but I don't know how to pick up only those who have EL5 and EL6 branches so here is a full list). Most notable packages are

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.11.2013 16:50, schrieb drago01: On Wednesday, November 6, 2013, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 06.11.2013 16:43, schrieb drago01: On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com javascript:; wrote: On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi

[389-devel] Please review lib389 ticket 47578 (take #2): removal of 'sudo' and absolute path in lib389

2013-11-06 Thread thierry bordaz
This review enhances the previous fix with the handling of non SELinux platforms. https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/47578/0002-Ticket-47578-CI-tests-removal-of-sudo-and-absolute-p.patch -- 389-devel mailing list 389-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 6 novembre 2013 16:40, Alberto Ruiz a écrit : Think about it for a moment, we are encouraging third party apps to mess with our entire system just because we don't have any other channel to deliver end user applications or third party extensions (codecs, fonts, ...) than the system

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 6 novembre 2013 16:05, Adam Jackson a écrit : On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 09:36 +0100, Roberto Ragusa wrote: On 11/04/2013 07:30 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote: A media codec should not be a system wide component (I'd go as far as saying it should not be user-session wide, but application

Re: [Fedora Base Design WG] Committee FESCO approved, next steps

2013-11-06 Thread Phil Knirsch
On 11/06/2013 04:46 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/06/2013 09:57 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 15:38:10 +0100, Phil Knirsch pknir...@redhat.com wrote: But i do like the idea of well Overlap releases? Where most of the

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 03:52:11PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 07:16:23AM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 01:05:22PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: #topic #1193 reboots

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Christian Schaller cscha...@redhat.com wrote: SNIP I would actually like to go a little further, and make it easy to enable 'clean' third-party repositories. If we imagine a future

Re: [Fedora Base Design WG] Committee FESCO approved, next steps

2013-11-06 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/06/2013 11:09 AM, Phil Knirsch wrote: On 11/06/2013 04:46 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/06/2013 09:57 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 15:38:10 +0100, Phil Knirsch

Re: [Fedora Base Design WG] Committee FESCO approved, next steps

2013-11-06 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/06/2013 11:09 AM, Phil Knirsch wrote: On 11/06/2013 04:46 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/06/2013 09:57 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Wed, Nov 06, 2013

[389-devel] Please review lib389 ticket 47584 (take #2): CI tests: add backup/restore of an instance

2013-11-06 Thread thierry bordaz
Thanks Roberto and Rich for reviewing this. This second patch takes into account your recommendation to let the logging mechanism to choose rather that to use 'verbose' flag. https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/47584/0002-Ticket-47584-CI-tests-add-backup-restore-of-an-insta.patch --

Re: [389-devel] Please review lib389 ticket 47584 (take #2): CI tests: add backup/restore of an instance

2013-11-06 Thread Roberto Polli
You may consider replacing the whole function checkInstanceBackupFS with the simpler: backup_pattern = os.path.join(backupDir, backup*.tar.gz) return glob.glob(backup_pattern) It should return an empty list in case of unexistent path On Wednesday 06 November 2013 18:31:40 thierry bordaz

Consequences of library bundling (was: Re: OpenH264 in Fedora)

2013-11-06 Thread Florian Weimer
On 11/06/2013 04:05 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 09:36 +0100, Roberto Ragusa wrote: On 11/04/2013 07:30 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote: A media codec should not be a system wide component (I'd go as far as saying it should not be user-session wide, but application bundled). ???

Re: [389-devel] Please review lib389 ticket 47584 (take #2): CI tests: add backup/restore of an instance

2013-11-06 Thread thierry bordaz
Hi Roberto, Yes absolutely this is a better choice !! thanks for the tips, I will change the fix regards thierry On 11/06/2013 06:35 PM, Roberto Polli wrote: You may consider replacing the whole function checkInstanceBackupFS with the simpler: backup_pattern = os.path.join(backupDir,

Re: [Fedora Base Design WG] Committee FESCO approved, next steps

2013-11-06 Thread Stephen Gallagher
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Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Michael scherer
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 01:23:01PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 23:50 +0100, Michael Scherer wrote: Le lundi 04 novembre 2013 à 21:02 +0100, Reindl Harald a écrit : Am 04.11.2013 20:56, schrieb drago01: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Reindl Harald

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: In this situation what we should do is carefully consider the relative possibilities of the good, bad and mixed outcomes with as much precision as we can, and try to come up with a path forward which makes the

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: This highlights a concern, not a fatal flaw. The flaw IMO is within the distribution method. No, the fatal flaw is that we don't really have an OS one can build applications on: the ABI is unstable and insufficient. So the

EPEL Fedora 6 updates-testing report

2013-11-06 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 6 Security updates need testing: Age URL 563 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2012-5620/bugzilla-3.4.14-2.el6 78 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2013-11274/ssmtp-2.61-21.el6 38

EPEL Fedora 5 updates-testing report

2013-11-06 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 5 Security updates need testing: Age URL 563 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2012-5630/bugzilla-3.2.10-5.el5 78 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2013-11276/ssmtp-2.61-21.el5 54

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around the intense focus on a new app packaging technology when the entire distro is making massive changes to how it's produced. I think the trouble here is that the Linux Apps

Fedora ARM Status Meeting 2013-11-06

2013-11-06 Thread Paul Whalen
Good day all, Please join us today (Wednesday, November 6th) at 4PM EST (9PM UTC) for the Fedora ARM status meeting in #fedora-meeting-1 on Freenode. On the agenda so far.. 1) Kernel Status Update 2) Aarch64 - Status Update - Koji Shadow - fixing build failures 3) Fedora

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 10:24:20AM -0400, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller wrote: Hi everyone, Attached is the draft PRD for the Workstation working group. The proposal tries to be relatively high level and focus on goals and principles, but I have included some concrete examples at times

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz wrote: On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around the intense focus on a new app packaging technology when the entire distro is making massive changes

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 13:24 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: In this situation what we should do is carefully consider the relative possibilities of the good, bad and mixed outcomes with as much precision as we can, and try

Re: AppData questions

2013-11-06 Thread Richard Hughes
On 6 November 2013 10:41, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: # rpm -qf /usr/share/app-info/xmls/fedora-20.xml.gz gnome-software-3.10.3-1.fc20.x86_64 does. It's AppStream metadata. For Audacious it specifies several details, such as an icon included in the gnome-software package

Re: AppData: what if screenshots are the wrong aspect ratio?

2013-11-06 Thread Richard Hughes
On 6 November 2013 03:20, Mathieu Bridon boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Well, the example on http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/appdata/ has the .desktop extension, as did the gimp appdata file that I looked at while doing this. Indeed, you are right. Sorry about that. It's got a

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: I'm still slightly out of sync with the fedora.next stuff (REALLY picked a bad time to go on vacation), but it does seem to me that a decent amount of 'mature reflection' was done on it before it was approved, at least. I don't

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 19:10 +0100, Michael scherer wrote: So if that's the problem, then the solution is to demonstrate the value of packaging and rpm rather than restricting all others alternatives. So to me this is the nub of the debate, and it's both fantastically interesting and

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 13:24 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: In this situation what we should do is carefully consider the relative possibilities of

Re: AppData: what if screenshots are the wrong aspect ratio?

2013-11-06 Thread Richard Hughes
On 5 November 2013 21:25, Jerry James loganje...@gmail.com wrote: But those screenshots are not the right aspect ratio. What is the right thing to do here? Just use this anyway and let the GUIs decide how to resize the screenshots? drago01 already pointed you to the correct link, but a more

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-06 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 17:08 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Mer 6 novembre 2013 16:05, Adam Jackson a écrit : On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 09:36 +0100, Roberto Ragusa wrote: On 11/04/2013 07:30 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote: A media codec should not be a system wide component (I'd go as far as

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Richard Hughes
On 6 November 2013 15:14, Christian Schaller cscha...@redhat.com wrote: so if they also do the work of putting in an appdata file there... Note, we can easily ship a google-chrome.appdata.xml file in the fedora-appstream project. This has a quite a few appdata files for important applications

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 16:33 +0100, Alberto Ruiz wrote: On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 12:44 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: Haven't read the whole thread yet, but in case it hasn't been said: Build a way would be great. I've said a few times that it'd be nice for there to be a cross-distro

Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2013-11-07 16:00 UTC)

2013-11-06 Thread James Antill
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC meeting Thursday at 2013-11-07 16:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on irc.freenode.net. Local time information (via. rktime): 2013-11-07 08:00 Thu US/Pacific PST 2013-11-07 11:00 Thu US/Eastern EST 2013-11-07

[Test-Announce] Fedora 20 Beta RC5 impending, please help test

2013-11-06 Thread Adam Williamson
Hey, folks. So here's a Beta status update: Beta RC4 was *almost* a go, but we have one blocker in it. I have just filed the request for Beta RC5, which should resolve that single blocker ( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1026466 ). Please, when RC5 lands, help out with testing if you

Re: Fedora Workstation product name

2013-11-06 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 08:31 -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: And the KDE one didn't really worked in the end everyone just calls it (the desktop) KDE. I'm aware of that but as I said - it was due to communication/marketing mistakes. Eh, I wouldn't agree with that. I got the re-name

Re: Rawhide nodebug and the 3.12 kernel

2013-11-06 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 08:00 -0600, Justin M. Forbes wrote: We have a slight issue with the 3.12 kernel timing in that it is too late to push it into Fedora 20, but too far away from the Fedora 20 release to just ignore the 3.13 development cycle until we can push 3.12. As a result, we will be

Re: Fedora Workstation product name

2013-11-06 Thread drago01
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 08:31 -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: And the KDE one didn't really worked in the end everyone just calls it (the desktop) KDE. I'm aware of that but as I said - it was due to

Re: Rawhide nodebug and the 3.12 kernel

2013-11-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 08:00 -0600, Justin M. Forbes wrote: We have a slight issue with the 3.12 kernel timing in that it is too late to push it into Fedora 20, but too far away from the Fedora 20 release to just ignore

Re: Rawhide nodebug and the 3.12 kernel

2013-11-06 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 12:30:37 -0800, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: FWIW the ship has probably sailed now, but I really don't think it'd be much of a problem to have 3.12 in F20 at release time. It's what I've been running on my F20 box here for the last several weeks anyway,

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