Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread David Tardon
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 04:37:07PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 01/22/2014 03:47 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: On 22 January 2014 12:09, Richard Hugheshughsi...@gmail.com wrote: That's a long way from what I'd like to see, but it's going up at about 1% per month, which is

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Richard Hughes
On 22 January 2014 21:44, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Richard already wrote a plugin :) https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-software/blob/e80d751ae0768a8969ff52e1cfc29a692a79bda0/src/plugins/gs-plugin-fedora-tagger.c Clearly, an excellent idea, then. :) Yes, it's all wired up and

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Richard Hughes
On 23 January 2014 08:07, David Tardon dtar...@redhat.com wrote: You seem to be operating under a delusion that, if someone's package is forcibly dropped, (s)he will automatically seek comaintainership of another package to fill the vacuum. That is not very likely. What is likely, however, is

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread David Tardon
Hi, On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 12:09:25PM +, Richard Hughes wrote: Hi, As the subject suggests, Fedora 22 will require applications to have a long description to be shown in the software center. We're introducing this change so that we can show a powerful application full of high-quality

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Richard Hughes
On 23 January 2014 08:34, David Tardon dtar...@redhat.com wrote: I have noticed that there are applications on the list that have NoDisplay=true in their desktop file, e.g., libreoffice-startcenter. I've just downloaded libreoffice-4.2.0.2-2.fc21 and it has: [Desktop Entry] Version=1.0

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/23/2014 08:07 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 04:37:07PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 01/22/2014 03:47 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: On 22 January 2014 12:09, Richard Hugheshughsi...@gmail.com wrote: That's a long way from what I'd like to see, but it's going up

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.01.2014 10:23, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: A*lot* of those applications haven't seen an upstream release in half a decade Which poses security risk and bugs not being dealt and bad end user experience if our end user base chooses to install it have you ever considered software as

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Richard Hughes
On 23 January 2014 10:12, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: have you ever considered software as done and no known bugs? Okay, I'll bite. ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/apps/sound/mp3-utils/mp3info/ upstream may dead, upstream my be alive but nothing to do the software does what

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.01.2014 12:13, schrieb Richard Hughes: On 23 January 2014 10:12, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: have you ever considered software as done and no known bugs? Okay, I'll bite. ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/apps/sound/mp3-utils/mp3info/ upstream may dead, upstream my be

[389-devel] Running lib389 tests

2014-01-23 Thread Roberto Polli
Hi Thierry + @all, I'd like to play with the new lib389 and try to split DirSrv in two layers: - the old approach DSAdmin for TCP communication - DirSrv implementing your interface essentially I would put class DirSrv(DSAdmin): # ...new stuff go here ... class DSAdmin(SimpleLDAPObject):

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread David Tardon
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 09:23:49AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 01/23/2014 08:07 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 04:37:07PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 01/22/2014 03:47 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: On 22 January 2014 12:09, Richard Hugheshughsi...@gmail.com

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread David Tardon
Hi, On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 08:51:53AM +, Richard Hughes wrote: On 23 January 2014 08:34, David Tardon dtar...@redhat.com wrote: I have noticed that there are applications on the list that have NoDisplay=true in their desktop file, e.g., libreoffice-startcenter. I've just downloaded

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread David Howells
Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: As the subject suggests, Fedora 22 will require applications to have a long description to be shown in the software center. What constitutes an 'application' in this sense? Does 'gcc' count for instance? How about 'find'? David -- devel mailing

Re: LibRaw soname bump

2014-01-23 Thread Jon Ciesla
It doesn't build anyway. I've found that the latest release, 0.9.4, does, but I see you've discovered that as well. :) -J On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Christopher Meng cicku...@gmail.comwrote: Jon please don't rebuild oyranos, I'm working on this now. -- devel mailing list

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Richard Hughes
On 23 January 2014 12:37, David Howells dhowe...@redhat.com wrote: What constitutes an 'application' in this sense? Does 'gcc' count for instance? How about 'find'? No. In the AppStream and AppData definitions, a program is an application if it has a .desktop file that is visible in the menu.

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/23/2014 12:09 PM, David Tardon wrote: No, I think your reasoning is faulty and your attempts to see everything in just black and white is fundamentally flawed. Anyway, that_was not_ the point of my mail. What I wanted to point out is that forced removal of packages_is not_ going to

Re: LibRaw soname bump

2014-01-23 Thread Christopher Meng
It built very well(I did it this afternoon), you can check it out from Koji. Hmm...Only some tiny issues need to be solved. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.01.2014 14:06, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 01/23/2014 12:09 PM, David Tardon wrote: No, I think your reasoning is faulty and your attempts to see everything in just black and white is fundamentally flawed. Anyway, that_was not_ the point of my mail. What I wanted to point out is

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 09:23:49AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: A*lot* of those applications haven't seen an upstream release in half a decade Which poses security risk and bugs not being dealt and bad end user experience if our end user base chooses to install it. ( because if they

Re: Unannounced soname bump: libdbi?

2014-01-23 Thread jpac...@redhat.com
Hi, that was my mistake. Now both libdbi and libdbi-drivers are in new version in rawhide. -- Jan Pacner On 01/21/2014 09:53 PM, Ville Skyttä wrote: Hi, Looks like yet another unannounced soname bump has occurred in Rawhide, this time libdbi. If there was an announcement, I haven't

[perl-Lucy: 9/28] - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Mass_Rebuild

2014-01-23 Thread Lubomir Rintel
commit 588c2846f5dd6cc34ee19c4f5d48c16a77bfab6e Author: Jesse Keating jkeat...@fedoraproject.org Date: Sun Jul 26 08:52:26 2009 + - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Mass_Rebuild perl-KinoSearch.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) ---

[perl-Lucy: 10/28] Fix typo that causes a failure to update the common directory. (releng #2781)

2014-01-23 Thread Lubomir Rintel
commit a3b0855529b189fa3fce927e44b26d51317b5083 Author: Bill Nottingham nott...@fedoraproject.org Date: Wed Nov 25 23:30:57 2009 + Fix typo that causes a failure to update the common directory. (releng #2781) Makefile |2 +- 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)

[perl-Lucy: 8/28] - Upstream applied our PowerPC patch

2014-01-23 Thread Lubomir Rintel
commit 2ad1e209c36e91a10656f7df9ced468e330bdb0a Author: Lubomir Rintel lkund...@fedoraproject.org Date: Mon Apr 13 16:17:04 2009 + - Upstream applied our PowerPC patch .cvsignore |2 +- perl-KinoSearch.spec |7 --- sources |2 +- 3 files changed,

[perl-Lucy: 13/28] dist-git conversion

2014-01-23 Thread Lubomir Rintel
commit 2fe799fe2f02ad50608729f96dcb12df0301a34f Author: Fedora Release Engineering rel-...@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Thu Jul 29 07:06:02 2010 + dist-git conversion .cvsignore = .gitignore |0 Makefile | 21 - import.log |

[perl-Lucy: 17/28] add BR

2014-01-23 Thread Lubomir Rintel
commit eff1b259ab55eb1b6970f90613ae13d9d71f2733 Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Tue Dec 21 10:28:51 2010 +0100 add BR perl-KinoSearch.spec |4 +++- 1 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-KinoSearch.spec b/perl-KinoSearch.spec index

[perl-Lucy: 15/28] Filter useless provide

2014-01-23 Thread Lubomir Rintel
commit 7e278932d2872263ac7a25f122b4533ee6491e87 Author: Lubomir Rintel lkund...@v3.sk Date: Sun Dec 12 16:11:03 2010 +0100 Filter useless provide perl-KinoSearch.spec |2 ++ 1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-KinoSearch.spec b/perl-KinoSearch.spec

[perl-Lucy: 22/28] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2014-01-23 Thread Lubomir Rintel
commit be9ced862029eaa246aab0beaedbda820859d2a2 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Wed Jun 20 22:55:14 2012 +0200 Perl 5.16 rebuild perl-KinoSearch.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-KinoSearch.spec b/perl-KinoSearch.spec

[perl-Lucy: 23/28] - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Mass_Rebuild

2014-01-23 Thread Lubomir Rintel
commit 0c79fffcb9e01e3989f5b4364ef9602276f8f09a Author: Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us Date: Fri Jul 20 11:26:26 2012 -0500 - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Mass_Rebuild perl-KinoSearch.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.01.2014 16:49, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 01/23/2014 01:48 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: So, one possibility would be to move less-maintained packages to a separate repository tree still included as Fedora and enabled by default That wont reduce the bugs reported against it...

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/23/2014 01:48 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: So, one possibility would be to move less-maintained packages to a separate repository tree still included as Fedora and enabled by default That wont reduce the bugs reported against it... -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[Bug 1057063] perl-Test-Moose-More-0.023 is available

2014-01-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1057063 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED Fixed In

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 03:49:17PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: So, one possibility would be to move less-maintained packages to a separate repository tree still included as Fedora and enabled by default That wont reduce the bugs reported against it... That's not necessarily bad. And by

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/23/2014 03:55 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: So, one possibility would be to move less-maintained packages to a separate repository tree still included as Fedora and enabled by default That wont reduce the bugs reported against it... That's not necessarily bad. And by categorizing those

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 01/23/2014 03:55 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: So, one possibility would be to move less-maintained packages to a separate repository tree still included as Fedora and enabled by default That wont reduce the bugs

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Richard Hughes
On 23 January 2014 15:55, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: consider packages for removal because upstream does not jump around and release at least once per year a new version is hmmm... i must not say the words in public Please stop posting to this thread. Richard. --

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/23/2014 04:27 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 01/23/2014 03:55 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: So, one possibility would be to move less-maintained packages to a separate

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/23/2014 05:06 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: That doesn't answer the question. You keep using the word we. Who is we? We in quality assurance if you want us to come up with an official respond regarding inactively maintained packages I can put it on the meeting agenda. JBG -- devel

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Obviously not you... That doesn't answer the question. You keep using the word we. Who is we? To me this is pure community resources leakage due to distribution litterers with the mentality of packaging *everything*

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 01/23/2014 05:06 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: That doesn't answer the question. You keep using the word we. Who is we? We in quality assurance if you want us to come up with an official respond regarding inactively

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/23/2014 05:06 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: If you have specific problems in any packages, feel free to point them out. Tracker bug [1] which fixes requirements on crontab as got approved by the FPC [2]. Each of those ca 50 components contains a patch submitted by myself in last July

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 01/23/2014 05:06 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: By going through those reports you will notice how long it took for those patches to be applied as well as see all those that have yet to be applied. Yep but these are not

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/23/2014 05:41 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 01/23/2014 05:06 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: By going through those reports you will notice how long it took for those patches to be applied as well as see all those

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi! On 03.01.2014 19:14, Matthew Miller wrote: […] So those are my things. What do you think about them? What else should be included? What different directions should we consider? How will we make Fedora more awesome than ever in the coming

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 23, 2014, at 5:09 AM, David Tardon dtar...@redhat.com wrote: And at what point does package become unmaintained? It seems self evident that it's at least insufficiently maintained, if it doesn't meet the long description requirement to appear in software center. I don't know how else

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi Cutting off inactively maintained packages being the only way we can deal with that which in turn will reduce the size of the distribution to something we actually can maintain or cover ( which probably is around 5k components ) I don't agree with the premise at all and therefore

[perl-Set-Infinite] Created tag perl-Set-Infinite-0.65-9.el7

2014-01-23 Thread Paul Howarth
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Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Wed, 22 Jan 2014 12:09:25 + Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com escribió: Hi, As the subject suggests, Fedora 22 will require applications to have a long description to be shown in the software center. We're introducing this change so that

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/23/2014 06:09 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: I don't agree with the premise at all and therefore unsurprising I don't agree with this conclusion. In any case, I sincerely doubt you will get even a single person other than yourself to agree with this proposal but feel free to try filing a

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Thorsten Leemhuis fed...@leemhuis.info wrote: Verbose: Yes, I really think the Fedora needs changes -- at some point a few years ago we mostly continued to do things as they have always been done (read: since Core and Extras merged), without thinking if those

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Oh I see you apparently have no idea what we in the QA community do but since you dont we dont handle this matters so there is no point for me to file a ticket it would not lead anywhere This seems pretty incoherent and I

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Re: Git repos location

2014-01-23 Thread Tim Flink
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 05:48:00 -0500 (EST) Kamil Paral kpa...@redhat.com wrote: https://phab.qadevel-stg.cloud.fedoraproject.org/ The hosting does work over ssh, but I'm noticing some quirks - the ssh urls are displayed incorrectly. This may be fixed in the latest upstream (the

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Tom Hughes
On 23/01/14 18:26, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Thorsten Leemhuis fed...@leemhuis.info wrote: And I really wonder if Fedora.next is really backed by those community contributors that are not involved in Fedora to deeply. One reason for I wonder the same. However, I

Re: What to do about packaging beta, or rc as alternate installable

2014-01-23 Thread Kevin Kofler
Christopher Meng wrote: But you can do this on copr IMO. Also update-testing is not just a place for updates to have a break, you can let it satisfy the needs of testing for unstable. Well, that's kinda abusing updates-testing. IMHO, COPR is the much better option until you have something

[Bug 1056804] (possibly) branch for EPEL 7

2014-01-23 Thread bugzilla
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Re: boot.fedoraproject.org (BFO)

2014-01-23 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kevin Fenzi wrote: While github is nice for pulls and patches, it's not so great for tickets and support needs. github issues are very primitive last I looked and wouldn't meet Fedora Infrastructures needs, IMHO. I also object to the idea of hosting critical parts of our infrastructure on

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Re: RFC - Downgrade BlueZ to v4.101 in Fedora 20

2014-01-23 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:53:19 +0100 David Sommerseth dav...@redhat.com wrote: Hi all, This might be a viewed as a fire torch, but there is, IMO, a major regression in BlueZ 5 which is shipped in Fedora 20. It doesn't support HSP/HFP headset profiles, which enables the microphone on many

Re: RFC - Downgrade BlueZ to v4.101 in Fedora 20

2014-01-23 Thread David Sommerseth
On 23/01/14 19:58, Frank Murphy wrote: On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:53:19 +0100 David Sommerseth dav...@redhat.com wrote: Hi all, This might be a viewed as a fire torch, but there is, IMO, a major regression in BlueZ 5 which is shipped in Fedora 20. It doesn't support HSP/HFP headset

[Bug 1056804] (possibly) branch for EPEL 7

2014-01-23 Thread bugzilla
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[perl-HTML-TableExtract/epel7] (3 commits) ...Fix requires.

2014-01-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
Summary of changes: 51dda63... Perl 5.18 rebuild (*) 567181b... - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_20_Mass (*) f5efb4b... Fix requires. (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG

[perl-HTML-TableExtract] Fix requires.

2014-01-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
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Re: SELinux RPM scriplet issue annoucement

2014-01-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2014-01-21 at 09:54 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Mon, 2014-01-20 at 23:18 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2014-01-21 at 01:01 -0600, Ian Pilcher wrote: On 01/20/2014 11:48 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: The bug currently under discussion was caused by a change that came in

[perl-DateTime-Set] Created tag perl-DateTime-Set-0.33-3.el7

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Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 07:03:02PM +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: Okay, I'll bite (after thinking whether writing this mail is worth it): Thanks. I hope that I can make you feel that it was. The main reason for that: Fedora.next is a huge effort that seems to make everything even more

Re: What to do about packaging beta, or rc as alternate installable

2014-01-23 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/23/2014 01:43 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Christopher Meng wrote: But you can do this on copr IMO. Also update-testing is not just a place for updates to have a break, you can let it satisfy the needs of testing for unstable. Well, that's

Re: RFC - Downgrade BlueZ to v4.101 in Fedora 20

2014-01-23 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 20:04 +0100, David Sommerseth wrote: On 23/01/14 19:58, Frank Murphy wrote: On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:53:19 +0100 David Sommerseth dav...@redhat.com wrote: Hi all, This might be a viewed as a fire torch, but there is, IMO, a major regression in BlueZ 5 which is

Re: RFC - Downgrade BlueZ to v4.101 in Fedora 20

2014-01-23 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 14:17 -0600, Dan Williams wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 20:04 +0100, David Sommerseth wrote: On 23/01/14 19:58, Frank Murphy wrote: On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:53:19 +0100 David Sommerseth dav...@redhat.com wrote: Hi all, This might be a viewed as a fire

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 23 January 2014 11:48, Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Personally I think a lot of it has to do with the way the whole thing seemed to be a fait accompli such that there seemed to be little point doing

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 January 2014 11:48, Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Personally I think a lot of it has to do with the way the whole thing

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread drago01
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Thorsten Leemhuis fed...@leemhuis.info wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi! On 03.01.2014 19:14, Matthew Miller wrote: […] So those are my things. What do you think about them? What else should be included? What different directions

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread David Tardon
Hi, On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:06:16AM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: What I wanted to point out is that forced removal of packages _is not_ going to guarantee more packager's attention to the rest of the distribution. Is there a reading comprehension problem in this thread? I don't recall

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:03:02 +0100 Thorsten Leemhuis fed...@leemhuis.info wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi! On 03.01.2014 19:14, Matthew Miller wrote: […] So those are my things. What do you think about them? What else should be included? What different

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 19:03 +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: Hi! On 03.01.2014 19:14, Matthew Miller wrote: […] So those are my things. What do you think about them? What else should be included? What different directions should we consider? How will we make Fedora more awesome than ever

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 19:03 +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: wikipedia page. Further: kororaproject.org, fedorautils-installer and similar project show that there are people that want to make Fedora better. But they do their work outside of Fedora and RPM Fusion; fixing the issues directly at

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 13:48 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: To be honest my concerns are more with my user hat on than my contributor hat - that we will lose the gold standard unified packaging standards and single source and mechanism for installing packages. I haven't seen anything from any

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 13:48 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: To be honest my concerns are more with my user hat on than my contributor hat - that we will lose the gold standard unified packaging standards and single source

Re: RFC - Downgrade BlueZ to v4.101 in Fedora 20

2014-01-23 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 19:53 +0100, David Sommerseth wrote: Hi all, Hi, This might be a viewed as a fire torch, but there is, IMO, a major regression in BlueZ 5 which is shipped in Fedora 20. I agree. But everyone probably already knows that. It doesn't support HSP/HFP headset profiles,

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 16:54 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 13:48 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: To be honest my concerns are more with my user hat on than my contributor hat - that we will lose the

Re: RFC - Downgrade BlueZ to v4.101 in Fedora 20

2014-01-23 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 20:04 +0100, David Sommerseth wrote: Nope, several packages depends on the bluez-5.13-1 package. Indeed. However I could probably live without gnome-bluetooth if blueman were still available. pulseaudio-module-bluetooth though. Would it work with Bluez4? Would it need

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 13:57:38 -0800 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: The repos will still exist, but things will be different. At present, the Fedora repos are the single unified official Fedora method for deploying software on Fedora products. Any other method you can use to deploy

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 01:57:38PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: If these plans go ahead, we will have multiple official/blessed methods for deploying software on Fedora, potentially with different policies about what software they can include and how that software should be arranged, how

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 16:54 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 13:48 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: To be honest my concerns are

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 23 January 2014 14:14, Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: My view of the matter was pretty much the same as Tom's and I was at FLOCK. The language at the sessions I attended was not one of We would

Re: RFC - Downgrade BlueZ to v4.101 in Fedora 20

2014-01-23 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 23, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Brian J. Murrell br...@interlinx.bc.ca wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 19:53 +0100, David Sommerseth wrote: As a side note, it also needs to be discussed how such a key feature of the bluetooth stack could go unnoticed through QA, and how to avoid this from

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Adam Williamson
quoting simplified: is Tom Hughes, is me, is Josh. Restored part of Tom's original context. The actual spins (or whatever you want to call them) aren't something that bother me at all, as they are to my mind largely irrelevant for anybody other than a new user. When I bring a new

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: quoting simplified: is Tom Hughes, is me, is Josh. Restored part of Tom's original context. The actual spins (or whatever you want to call them) aren't something that bother me at all, as they are to my mind

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 17:26 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: Read all the above sequentially. My point is that although you are technically correct that no WG has proposed doing away with the repos, the RPM format, or yum/dnf, their plans - under a reasonable interpretation of the discussions so

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread drago01
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 17:26 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: Read all the above sequentially. My point is that although you are technically correct that no WG has proposed doing away with the repos, the RPM format, or

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 23:37 +0100, drago01 wrote: No, I don't disagree with you there. But the repos don't exist in a vacuum. Right now they are our way of shipping software in Fedora: our *only* way. If you want to install the Fedora-y version of a particular piece of software, you use

Re: .spec file Source0 magic for github release source tarballs?

2014-01-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2014-01-21 at 11:09 -0600, Richard Shaw wrote: On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Miroslav Suchý msu...@redhat.com wrote: On 01/21/2014 06:01 PM, Kaleb KEITHLEY wrote: Take, for example, https://github.com/nfs-ganesha/nfs-ganesha/releases, where

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread drago01
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 23:37 +0100, drago01 wrote: No, I don't disagree with you there. But the repos don't exist in a vacuum. Right now they are our way of shipping software in Fedora: our *only* way. If you want

Re: Security update process without CVEs

2014-01-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2014-01-21 at 14:32 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 16:26:19 -0500 Dan Scott deni...@gmail.com wrote: Hi: A few hours ago I submitted requests to push perl-MARC-XML directly to stable (by filling out the fedpkg update request with type=security and

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.01.2014 23:49, schrieb drago01: On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 23.01.2014 23:37, schrieb drago01: On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: No, I don't disagree with you there. But the repos don't

Re: boot.fedoraproject.org (BFO)

2014-01-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2014-01-22 at 17:02 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 00:41:52 +0400 Peter Lemenkov lemen...@gmail.com wrote: 2014/1/23 Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com: Can you please file a infrastructure ticket on this and I will get it updated. Don't know what others think,

Re: RFC - Downgrade BlueZ to v4.101 in Fedora 20

2014-01-23 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 16:58 -0500, Brian J. Murrell wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 20:04 +0100, David Sommerseth wrote: Nope, several packages depends on the bluez-5.13-1 package. Indeed. However I could probably live without gnome-bluetooth if blueman were still available.

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 16:55 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 23.01.2014 16:49, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 01/23/2014 01:48 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: So, one possibility would be to move less-maintained packages to a separate repository tree still included as Fedora and enabled by

Re: What to do about packaging beta, or rc as alternate installable

2014-01-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 19:43 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Christopher Meng wrote: But you can do this on copr IMO. Also update-testing is not just a place for updates to have a break, you can let it satisfy the needs of testing for unstable. Well, that's kinda abusing updates-testing.

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Lars Seipel
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 05:07:16PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: Also possibly correct. However, that doesn't preclude the repos as we know them today from still existing, with still the same quality. Server, desktop or embedded board, in today's Fedora it's all the same, just with a different

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 02:16:23PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: Read all the above sequentially. My point is that although you are technically correct that no WG has proposed doing away with the repos, the RPM format, or yum/dnf, their plans - under a reasonable interpretation of the

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