Reminder meeting : Fedora Legal - SPDX Hackfest

2023-05-11 Thread Jilayne Lovejoy
Hi all, Just a reminder that the Fedora Legal -SPDX Hackfest is next week, Wednesday, May 17th. See details below! Thanks, Jilayne Forwarded Message Subject: [Fedora-legal-list] [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Fedora Legal - SPDX Hackfest Date: Wed, 10 May 2023 10:00:03

Re: F39 proposal: BiggerESP (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2023-05-11 Thread Simo Sorce
On Thu, 2023-05-11 at 12:52 -0500, Gregory Bartholomew wrote: > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 10:10 AM Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > > > > (Moreover, read-only access doesn't cut it. If you want boot counting > > you want write access.) > > > > > Just interjecting a quick thought -- would it be po

Re: A new FMN will arrive this week

2023-05-11 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Thu, 2023-05-11 at 20:30 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > Dne 24. 04. 23 v 11:47 Aurelien Bompard napsal(a): > > Hi folks! > > > > The FMN replacement team has finished writing the new version of > > our > > notification system, and we are ready to deploy! We plan on > > deploying > > the new ver

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2023-05-09)

2023-05-11 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Neal Gompa wrote: > I deeply dislike the way Discourse works as a forum, but what else is > there now? I guess Vanilla, but that's a solution where there's a > mismatch in the "cloud" version and the self-hosted open source > version (at first glance, they might be completely different codebases >

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Flatpaks without Modules (System-Wide Change)

2023-05-11 Thread Owen Taylor
On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 2:31 PM Dan Čermák wrote: > Hi, > > Aoife Moloney writes: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FlatpaksWithoutModules > > > snip > > > > There is considerable implementation complexity within OSBS to implement > this, > > because the N/V/R need to be written into

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Flatpaks without Modules (System-Wide Change)

2023-05-11 Thread Owen Taylor
> I'm just wondering whether the name suffix is the right place to put "flatpak" as if it were a subpackage - can we use the dist tag instead, say `fi39` for "fedora immutable based on fedora 39" or something like that? Or `fp39` for `fedora flatpak ...`? The main difference is what happens when y

Re: F39 proposal: Fedora Images on Azure (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2023-05-11 Thread Leslie Satenstein via devel
I like the idea. I will definitely go for it, in a show of hands or vote. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 2:16 p.m., Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2023-04-21 at 13:49 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Fedora_Images_On_Azure > > Thi

Re: A new FMN will arrive this week

2023-05-11 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 24. 04. 23 v 11:47 Aurelien Bompard napsal(a): Hi folks! The FMN replacement team has finished writing the new version of our notification system, and we are ready to deploy! We plan on deploying the new version on https://notifications.fedoraproject.org this week, we'll keep the old one ar

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Flatpaks without Modules (System-Wide Change)

2023-05-11 Thread Dan Čermák
Hi, Aoife Moloney writes: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FlatpaksWithoutModules > snip > > There is considerable implementation complexity within OSBS to implement this, > because the N/V/R need to be written into generated Dockerfile as > labels ''before'' building it, > but it should

Re: F39 proposal: Fedora Images on Azure (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2023-05-11 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2023-04-21 at 13:49 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Fedora_Images_On_Azure > > This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes > process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive > community feedback. This proposal will only

Re: F39 proposal: BiggerESP (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2023-05-11 Thread Gregory Bartholomew
On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 10:10 AM Lennart Poettering wrote: > > (Moreover, read-only access doesn't cut it. If you want boot counting > you want write access.) > > Just interjecting a quick thought -- would it be possible to use FAT's reserved sectors for the boot counting? (You can find a descrip

Re: Review request for oclock package (orphaned since F35)

2023-05-11 Thread Globe Trotter via devel
Still no movement on my unretire requests for both slim and oclock, not even a request for additional information. On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 10:50:42 AM CDT, Sandro wrote: On 07-05-2023 17:34, Globe Trotter via devel wrote: > How long does it take to unretire a package? I was thinking th

Re: F39 proposal: BiggerESP (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2023-05-11 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 3:10 PM Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Mi, 10.05.23 17:54, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: > > > > Read-only drivers, which are the only drivers under discussion here, > > aren't a per se problem because they can't modify the file > > system. So they have no

Re: F39 proposal: BiggerESP (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2023-05-11 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Do, 11.05.23 03:59, Neal Gompa (ngomp...@gmail.com) wrote: > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 3:33 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > > On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 05:54:45PM -0400, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > I don't know what question you asked them. Any modifications > > > (writes) performed ou

Re: F39 proposal: BiggerESP (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2023-05-11 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mi, 10.05.23 17:54, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: > > > On Wed, May 10, 2023, at 5:21 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > So to add to this. I happen to be at LFSMMBPF at the moment, the Linux > > File System summit (among other things) where all the Linux FS people > > meet. I sp

Re: F39 proposal: BiggerESP (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2023-05-11 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2023-05-10 at 18:46 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mi, 10.05.23 11:20, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > It sounds reasonable for sure. > > The only concern is, given Microsoft creates at most 500MB ESP > > partitions, are we sure all UEFI systems out there will not choke on

Re: F39 proposal: BiggerESP (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2023-05-11 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2023-05-10 at 12:00 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 11:12 AM Simo Sorce wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2023-05-09 at 12:37 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 12:31 PM Lennart Poettering > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Di, 09.05.23 08:22, Neal Gompa (ngomp.

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Flatpaks without Modules (System-Wide Change)

2023-05-11 Thread Michael J Gruber
Makes a lot of sense and improves the information value of the version greatly. I'm just wondering whether the name suffix is the right place to put "flatpak" as if it were a subpackage - can we use the dist tag instead, say `fi39` for "fedora immutable based on fedora 39" or something like that

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20230511.n.0 changes

2023-05-11 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20230510.n.0 NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20230511.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:1 Dropped images: 1 Added packages: 9 Dropped packages:0 Upgraded packages: 172 Downgraded packages: 1 Size of added packages: 525.98 KiB Size of dropped packages:0

Re: F39 proposal: BiggerESP (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2023-05-11 Thread Luca Boccassi
> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 6:26 AM Luca Boccassi > I definitely am, considering how often there's no space and how easy > it is to brick many systems through it. Right, and that's the only other way to convey this information to the bootloader. And that's one of the reasons why in sd-boot we use

Re: C-specific compiler parameters

2023-05-11 Thread Florian Weimer
* Björn Persson: > It would still be better to use parameters only where they are > meaningful. Longer command lines make troubleshooting more difficult. We used to have %{optflags} only, set via the rpmrc dispatch in redhat-rpm-config, and migrating off that to a more flexible solution is under

Re: disabling yum modular repos by default?

2023-05-11 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 07:09:49PM +0200, Peter Boy wrote: > I suppose I would belong to the latter. From a Server admin’s POV the modules > are a great chance to keep some backwards compatibility with our fast pacing > distro. The most prominent example is PostgreSQL. It is not so rare that the

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2023-05-09)

2023-05-11 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 06:08:29AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > It was probably a mistake to say "Fedora 40 and onward" will use > Discourse for Change discussions, as it assumes success (which I don't > want to assume after many experiences in the past proving otherwise). > I would have preferred th

Re: F39 proposal: BiggerESP (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2023-05-11 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 03:59:33AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 3:33 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > > On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 05:54:45PM -0400, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > I don't know what question you asked them. Any modifications > > > (writes) performed outsi

Re: F39 proposal: BiggerESP (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2023-05-11 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 6:26 AM Luca Boccassi wrote: > > > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 3:33 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > > > > We already don't do boot counting from the bootloader side. That > > happens in the operating system. > > boot counting in the bootloader is a good thing to have, as th

Re: F39 proposal: BiggerESP (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2023-05-11 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 02:25:07PM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > On Wed, 10 May 2023 at 11:55, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > Especially not by making some small change contingent on moonshot proposals. > > But I think that a) the current proposal is just a band-aid, and > > b) to make

Re: F39 proposal: BiggerESP (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2023-05-11 Thread Luca Boccassi
> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 3:33 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > We already don't do boot counting from the bootloader side. That > happens in the operating system. boot counting in the bootloader is a good thing to have, as that's the only place to catch a few significant failures, and also i

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2023-05-09)

2023-05-11 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 3:23 AM Ralf Corsépius wrote: > > > > Am 11.05.23 um 09:09 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: > > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 12:22:09AM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > >> Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > >>> So you folks were not happy with the feedback on the mailing

Re: F39 proposal: BiggerESP (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2023-05-11 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 3:26 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 11:54:50AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 11:21 AM Simo Sorce wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 2023-05-09 at 18:32 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > > On Di, 09.05.23 09:20, Zbignie

Re: F39 proposal: BiggerESP (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2023-05-11 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 3:33 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 05:54:45PM -0400, Chris Murphy wrote: > > I don't know what question you asked them. Any modifications > > (writes) performed outside kernel code is not supported, since > > forever. > > > Read-only driv

Re: F39 proposal: BiggerESP (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2023-05-11 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 05:54:45PM -0400, Chris Murphy wrote: > I don't know what question you asked them. Any modifications > (writes) performed outside kernel code is not supported, since > forever. > Read-only drivers, which are the only drivers under discussion here, > aren't a per se problem

Re: disabling yum modular repos by default?

2023-05-11 Thread Petr Pisar
V Wed, May 10, 2023 at 09:45:35AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi napsal(a): > Should we consider just retiring modular repos entirely? > > I do know there's a number of active module builds, but I am not sure > how much users use them. While RHEL still uses modules, EPEL has retired > their epel8 modular repo

Re: F39 Proposal: LIBFFI34 static trampolines (System-Wide Change)

2023-05-11 Thread Jens-Ulrik Petersen
On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 7:27 AM DJ Delorie wrote: > Jens-Ulrik Petersen writes: > > I have just now pushed fixes for all ghc*, so can you try to rebuild > > them again in your repo? > > That's a good question, to which I know not the answer. Fred? Can MPB > be told to retest a specific set of

Re: F39 proposal: BiggerESP (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2023-05-11 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 11:54:50AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 11:21 AM Simo Sorce wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2023-05-09 at 18:32 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > On Di, 09.05.23 09:20, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > == Summar

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2023-05-09)

2023-05-11 Thread Ralf Corsépius
Am 11.05.23 um 09:09 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 12:22:09AM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: So you folks were not happy with the feedback on the mailing list, so you just made up a poll somewhere else. [snip] Was that poll

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2023-05-09)

2023-05-11 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 12:22:09AM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > So you folks were not happy with the feedback on the mailing list, so you > > just made up a poll somewhere else. > [snip] > > Was that poll ever announced on the mailing list? Or did you jus