Re: F29 System Wide Change: i686 Is For x86-64

2018-06-04 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Monday, June 4, 2018, 4:35:34 AM, Jan Kurik wrote: > = Proposed System Wide Change: i686 Is For x86-64 = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/i686_Is_For_x86-64 > Owner(s): > * Florian Weimer > Fedora builds its i686 packages for use on x86-64 systems as multi-lib RPMs. > == Detailed

Re: Fedora 19 End of Life

2015-01-06 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 11:25:19 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: As of 6th of January 2014, Fedora 19 has reached its end of life for updates and support. Yay! Does this mean Schrödinger's cat is actually dead? josh Wulf's

Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 21 Beta!

2014-11-04 Thread Al Dunsmuir
. On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, 10:01:02 AM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: The Fedora 21 beta release is here, and - as usual - is packed with amazing improvements to Fedora, as well as fantastic free and open source software, gently harvested for your enjoyment. No bits were harmed in the making of

Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 21 Beta!

2014-11-04 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, 6:01:35 PM, Robert Mayz wrote: 2014-11-04 23:55 GMT+01:00 Al Dunsmuir al.dunsm...@sympatico.ca: On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, 10:01:02 AM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: The Fedora 21 beta release is here, and - as usual - is packed with amazing improvements to Fedora

Self Introduction: Al Dunsmuir

2014-08-21 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Greetings! I've been a Fedora user since Fedora Core 3, but now I'm starting the move to the next level - becoming a Fedora packager. I'm interested in vintage hardware, especially older ATI/Radeon video, and PPC (Macs IBM). I'm hoping to contribute to Fedora development in a couple of areas:

Re: Make buildSRPMFromSCM faster?

2014-07-19 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Saturday, July 19, 2014, 8:20:30 PM, Eric Smith wrote: On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Richard Shaw hobbes1...@gmail.com wrote: How about not rebuilding the chroot every time... It's not like you have to worry about leftover BR's from building another package. That could lead to packages

Re: New Fedora 22 Change proposal: systemd-sysusers

2014-07-10 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, July 9, 2014, 1:24:12 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 09.07.2014 19:18, schrieb Chris Adams: Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de said: Please, no! As soon as you use disparate systems in a network environment, having differing versions of UID_MIN (where

Re: Current FTBFS packages (was Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21)

2014-06-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
, Al Dunsmuir wrote: On Monday, June 2, 2014, 2:53:33 PM, Till Mass wrote: On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 11:01:53AM +0200, Dan Horák wrote: On Sun, 1 Jun 2014 11:24:09 +0200 Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: yaboot dwmw2, dwmw2, fkocina

Re: Current FTBFS packages (was Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21)

2014-06-03 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, June 3, 2014, 2:37:49 AM, Dan Horák wrote: On Mon, 2 Jun 2014 23:54:10 +0200 Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 04:36:28PM -0400, Al Dunsmuir wrote: Please do not start deleting ppc32-only packages. A few of us would like to resurrect ppc32

Re: Current FTBFS packages (was Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21)

2014-06-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Monday, June 2, 2014, 2:53:33 PM, Till Mass wrote: On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 11:01:53AM +0200, Dan Horák wrote: On Sun, 1 Jun 2014 11:24:09 +0200 Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: yaboot dwmw2, dwmw2, fkocina, this is a secondary arch only package since

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21

2014-06-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Monday, June 2, 2014, 10:05:22 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:33 -0400, Al Dunsmuir wrote: Is the mga450 supported? Aside from formal graphics test days, I can run whatever tests required on x86 (both 32-bit and 64-bit). Define supported. I believe for PowerPC in RHEL

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21

2014-06-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Monday, June 2, 2014, 5:15:18 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Mon, 2014-06-02 at 16:52 -0400, Al Dunsmuir wrote: On Monday, June 2, 2014, 10:05:22 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:33 -0400, Al Dunsmuir wrote: Is the mga450 supported? Aside from formal graphics test days, I

Re: Current FTBFS packages (was Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21)

2014-06-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Monday, June 2, 2014, 5:54:10 PM, Till Mass wrote: On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 04:36:28PM -0400, Al Dunsmuir wrote: Please do not start deleting ppc32-only packages. A few of us would like to resurrect ppc32, likely initially as a Fedora Remix. Deleting ppc32-only packages just

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21

2014-05-31 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, May 30, 2014, 12:22:18 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 18:24 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 03:43:49PM +0200, Till Maas wrote: Isn't this driver therefore required by this emulated card? Or does another driver do the job? No and yes,

Re: Problems with Fedora ppc mailing list

2014-05-16 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Thursday, May 15, 2014, 8:28:33 PM, I wrote: Has anyone else noticed problems with the Fedora mailing lists today? As of last night, I am not getting copied on my posts, but can see them at https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ppc/2014-May/date.html I tried checking my mail

Problems with Fedora ppc mailing list

2014-05-15 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Has anyone else noticed problems with the Fedora mailing lists today? As of last night, I am not getting copied on my posts, but can see them at https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ppc/2014-May/date.html I tried checking my mail options, at

Re: Fwd: git commit Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

2014-05-15 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Thursday, May 15, 2014, 12:42:25 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: More fallout from pkgdb2? I just send an email to this list about weird problems I have been experiencing with the ppc mailing list. When I tried to log on to check my options, I got a 502 proxy error about a DNS lookup

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday 2014-04-29 at 14:15 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Default_Local_DNS_Resolver Change owner(s): P J P p...@fedoraproject.org, Pavel Šimerda pav...@pavlix.net, Tomas Hozza

Re: rawhide report: 20140404 changes

2014-04-04 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, April 4, 2014, 1:42:49 PM, Matthew Milleru wrote: On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 11:32:57AM -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: As far as I am concerned they are very useful. In more detail I am looking mostly at Broken deps and Summaries, with only an occasional peek at a changelog

Re: F21 System Wide Change: lbzip2 as default bzip2 implementation

2014-04-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 4:27:55 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: ** possibly adjust spec files to require or build-require lbzip2 instead of bzip2. Is this necessary? Wouldn't it be better to have lbzip2 Provide bzip2 or something so that updating all those packages is not

Re: F21 System Wide Change: lbzip2 as default bzip2 implementation

2014-04-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Al, On Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 5:14:53 PM, Al Dunsmuir wrote: On Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 4:27:55 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: ** possibly adjust spec files to require or build-require lbzip2 instead of bzip2. Is this necessary? Wouldn't it be better to have lbzip2 Provide

Re: F21 System Wide Change: lbzip2 as default bzip2 implementation

2014-04-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 2:03:38 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: = Proposed System Wide Change: lbzip2 as default bzip2 implementation = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/lbzip2 Change owner(s): Mikolaj Izdebski mizde...@redhat.com This

Re: RFC: Simply the retirement procedure - trigger on dead.package

2013-11-27 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, November 27, 2013, 2:30:23 PM, Ralph Bean wrote: On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 07:46:28PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:35:13PM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 19:21:53 +0100, Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: What are your

Re: Graphics driver support in F21+

2013-10-28 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Thursday, October 24, 2013, 4:41:09 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 10:46 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: For F21, I plan to orphan the following X video drivers: ... xorg-x11-drv-mach64 xorg-x11-drv-r128 ... These have now been orphaned. I would like to volunteer to pick up

Re: [Owner-change] Fedora packages ownership change

2013-10-28 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Monday, October 28,2013, 6:00:07 AM, the owner-change drone spake: Change in ownership over the last 168 hours === 23 packages were orphaned - . . . xorg-x11-drv-r128 [devel] was orphaned by jwboyer Xorg X11 r128 video

Re: Graphics driver support in F21+

2013-10-28 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Monday, October 28, 2013, 10:07:05 PM, I began... I left IBM in 2002. Since then, I have joined RBC, and spend my days developing a mainframe file/data server (written in C and assembler - about 250 KLOC) and a few bits and pieces on AIX. I'm still a quite active coder, just not so much

Re: intel ipw2100/ipw2200 firmware must be removed

2012-07-15 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Saturday, July 14, 2012, 7:25:15 PM, Eric Smith wrote: Kevin Fenzi wrote: See: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:LicensingGuidelines#Binary_Firmware Ralf Ertzinger wrote: Question about that: The first requirement is that the file is non-executable. Does that mean that Fedora

Re: F17, firewalld, avahi

2012-04-17 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, April 17, 2012, 4:15:53 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Apr 17, 2012, at 1:49 PM, Andreas Tunek wrote: I do not see anything in the f17 feature page describing any graphical configuration tool. But I also agree that gui configuratio is needed, otherwise it will probably be really

Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

2012-04-10 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 11:27:59 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Horst H. von Brand wrote: That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5 bullets instead of 1. Rawhide IS already Russian roulette. ;-)

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-20 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, March 20, 2012, 7:21:25 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 03/20/2012 05:46 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 05:37:10PM +0100, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Brendan Conoboyb...@redhat.com wrote: On 03/20/2012 09:21 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: That

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, March 2, 2012, 12:23:51 PM, Jóhann wrote: On 03/02/2012 05:10 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Again, what access do you need and who have you asked for it? It's pretty obvious that this is a proposal I made today thus I have asked no one for it nor can I since infrastructure has made it

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, March 2, 2012, 4:21:13 PM, Jóhann wrote: Some people seem to be confusing this like this would instantly take effect which is not the case here. We are just talking about automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy as is so instead of an reporter to manually perform these steps

Re: service iptables save, systemctl, and unhelpful error messages

2012-02-15 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, February 15, 2012, 6:12:44 PM, Reindl wrote: this will not work since if a systemd-unit is present systemd no longer is interested in anything from /etc/init.d/ so there is no solution except patch systemd if iptables.service is called which will not happen because it would be

Re: service iptables save, systemctl, and unhelpful error messages

2012-02-15 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, February 15, 2012, 7:15:13 PM, Reindl wrote: Am 16.02.2012 00:48, schrieb Al Dunsmuir: On Wednesday, February 15, 2012, 6:12:44 PM, Reindl wrote: this will not work since if a systemd-unit is present systemd no longer is interested in anything from /etc/init.d/ so

Re: New bodhi bugfix release in production

2011-10-25 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, October 25, 2011, 6:32:26 PM, Michael wrote: Luke Macken wrote: In case you hadn't noticed, response to this has so far been pretty negative. It seems people liked being able to tell from the URL what the update actually*was*. I must admit I do to. I've resorted to creating

Re: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide

2011-08-29 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Monday, August 29, 2011, 7:54:10 AM, Karel Zak wrote: I'd like to remove: ddate - converts Gregorian dates to Discordian dates command from rawhide (F17). IMHO this crazy command is used by very very small minority of Fedora users. Comments? Why does it matter to you? Why

Re: GPT in Fedora 16

2011-08-26 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, August 26, 2011, 3:35:52 PM, Andrew McNabb wrote: On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 04:29:55PM +0200, Karel Zak wrote: Windows and GPT FAQ: Q. Can Windows 7, Windows Vista, and Windows Server 2008 read, write, and boot from GPT disks? A. Yes, all versions can use GPT partitioned

Re: rfc/headsup: graphics driver packaging in F16+

2011-04-12 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Nathaniel, On Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 2:01:26 PM, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 13:57 -0400, Casey Dahlin wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 01:48:19PM -0400, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: With this approach, you have lost a critical feature: the ability for you to

Re: rfc/headsup: graphics driver packaging in F16+

2011-04-12 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 3:04:36 PM, I wrote: For the Intel arches, it may make sense to have all kinds of X drivers available by default. For the secondary arches, the user requirements and physical environment. Brain fart - I meant to say and physical environment differ. Al -- devel

Re: Fixing the glibc adobe flash incompatibility

2010-11-18 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Thursday, November 18, 2010, 2:06:38 PM, Peter Jones wrote: On 11/17/2010 10:59 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:42:56AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Because it's NOT a bug in glibc, because what glibc does is CORRECT, because it actually POINTS OUT bugs in

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-13 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Kevin, On Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 5:30:52 PM, you wrote: Well, normally it's the s390 arch team's job to fix the build on s390, and they should have commit access to all packages, even Firefox. If that's not the case, talk to the infrastructure team to get the required access. But

Re: bodhi v0.7.9 deployed

2010-09-29 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 4:15:28 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Today it's this package. Tomorrow it'll be another one. Sure we can solve this particular problem (but it's taking WEEKS!), but why would that be the only one? See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmxyj6iInMc Now that the

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 8:06:12 AM, drag01 wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 09:58:53PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: 2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: 2010/9/21 Toshio Kuratomi

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 6:19:28 PM, Jesse wrote: On 09/22/2010 04:07 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:24 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: This is reasonably easy to fix: we should do some testing and withhold packages from Rawhide if they don't pass some basic

Re: FF 3.6.9 update for F-13

2010-09-21 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 2:54:31 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: On 09/21/2010 01:45 AM, Bojan Smojver wrote: On Sun, 2010-09-12 at 17:50 +1000, Bojan Smojver wrote: Isn't that a security related update? Ping... I'm working on it, recently it's delayed in rel-eng:

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-07 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 10:42:54 AM, Richard wrote: On 7 September 2010 15:23, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote: This isn't repodata, it's a separate data package. You /could/ push the icons.tar.gz and desktop sqlite database as repodata, although it's not going to change for

Re: Putting cross compilers into Fedora

2010-09-01 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 6:41:34 AM, David Howells wrote: Would it be worth our while putting into Fedora basic gcc and binutils rpms for cross compilers for all the Linux arches? I keep finding the need to compile kernels for arches other than the x86_64 boxes I normally use, and I

Re: Putting cross compilers into Fedora

2010-09-01 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 9:35:16 AM, I wrote: On July 7th, 2009, Mark Salter made a post crossbuilding rpms with koji on the fedora-buildsys-list. http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-buildsys-l...@redhat.com/msg02148.html And for folks who prefer the official archive,

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 4:59:27 PM, Matt wrote: On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 08:27 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: It doesn't seem to be an unavoidable requirement, it says: If you proposed Start/Home Page is not similar to the existing Firefox Start Page, please be prepared to provide a

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-26 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Thursday, August 26, 2010, 3:17:52 PM, Jeff wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote: Great. It works fine on a laptop, in general. But on a desktop/server/workstation that is connected for weeks at a time (like mine), I don't want to have to do

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-13 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Kevin, On Thursday, August 12, 2010, 8:04:12 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Orcan Ogetbil wrote: The F-(x) package will have higher EVR than the F-(x+1) one. This will break the upgrade path. Is there any measures to prevent this? No. In fact FESCo specifically refused to consider this as an

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-13 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, August 13, 2010, 11:52:33 AM, Kevin wrote: Mike McGrath wrote: :( I'm saddened you think so little of us Kevin. I'd have thought we could do both. And you think Santa Claus exists, too? ;-) Kevin Kofler http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/photos/badsanta.asp --

Re: Staying close to upstream

2010-08-13 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, August 13, 2010, 1:05:16 PM, Kevin wrote: Jon Ciesla wrote: My understanding of the SIG concept was that they were groups of people who were self-organizing around a particular theme to further that theme in Fedora, i.e. Games, Live Upgrade, KDE, etc. Right, but that makes them

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-13 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, August 13, 2010, 1:11:49 PM, Kevin wrote: Jesse Keating wrote: This is where Kevin blames the scenario on not having the same sqlite on all of the Fedora releases, which is another evil plot hatched by the devils of FESCo Right. If F12 has a buggy SQLite, then that SQLite

Re: Staying close to upstream

2010-08-13 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, August 13, 2010, 1:26:34 PM, Jon wrote: Hey, no fair stating the same point as I did, at the same time, but better, and without ranting. That's cheating! :) -J Sorry... Must be feeling mellow - it's Friday afternoon, and I'm taking next week off. I'll make sure I flick

Re: gcc-4.5-RH in F14

2010-07-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Chen, Thursday, July 8, 2010, 12:05:43 PM, Chen Lei wrote: 2010/7/8 Jakub Jelinek ja...@redhat.com: Generally, much better speedup can be achieved by using PGO (-fprofile-generate, run on some testsuite, -fprofile-use). GCC itself is built that way for several years, but it would be

Re: gcc-4.5-RH in F14

2010-07-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Chen, Thursday, July 8, 2010, 12:05:43 PM, Jakub Jelinek wrote: 2010/7/8 Jakub Jelinek ja...@redhat.com: Generally, much better speedup can be achieved by using PGO (-fprofile-generate, run on some testsuite, -fprofile-use). GCC itself is built that way for several years, but it would

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Friday, March 12, 2010, 10:52:35 AM, spot you wrote: On 03/12/2010 10:47 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: I really think this is not the approach, unless Fedora is just for rich people in (theoretically) rich countries. I doubt that's what we want. Or we could just make Fedora print money. ;)

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal

2010-03-12 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Simo, Friday, March 12, 2010, 3:42:41 PM, you wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:21:41 +0100 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: The problem with all the proposals centered on the idea of N-1 as conservative, N as less conservative, including yours above and jreznik's, is that it

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Kevin, Friday, March 12, 2010, 6:52:32 PM, you wrote: Jesse Keating wrote: Fundamental point of view difference. You take the point of view of push everything all the time /unless/ there is a good enough reason not to. Others take the point of view of not updating anything unless

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal

2010-03-12 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Friday, March 12, 2010, 7:02:54 PM, Kevin wrote: Al Dunsmuir wrote: Maybe part of the answer is that some resources (especially automation) need to be dedicated to keep the core critical components of rawhide from being gratuitously broken and staying that way? An answer to what

Re: QA's Package update policy proposal

2010-03-11 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 7:11:31 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Al Dunsmuir wrote: The update to an older stable release should be made widely available in that release's updates-testing after the equivalent (not necessarily identical) fix has been widely tested in the latest stable

Re: QA's Package update policy proposal

2010-03-11 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Kevin, Thursday, March 11, 2010, 8:09:02 AM, you wrote: Al Dunsmuir wrote: For older releases, the presumption/requirement for stability is higher. Nonsense. The previous and current stable releases are both equally supported, there isn't one which is more stable than

Re: Adventurous yet Safety-Minded

2010-03-10 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 7:24:18 AM, Mathieu Bridon wrote: On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 13:06, Steven I Usdansky Your proposal especially doesn't address the third point. How do effectively you rollback the package on the mirrors when you don't control them? Assuming reversion to an

Re: QA's Package update policy proposal

2010-03-10 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 8:09:40 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jesse Keating wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 16:08 -0800, Josh Stone wrote: It seems to cast doubt on the value of karma -- just because something gets lots of positive karma on N doesn't mean that N-1 is ok. Then again, the same

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-10 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 5:59:20 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 22:44 +, Ewan Mac Mahon wrote: The LHC is an interesting analogy; it certainly has problems that can be picked out with 20:20 hindsight, but there was no way anyone could have changed the processes in

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Seth, Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 8:38:44 AM, you wrote: On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: On Tuesday 09 March 2010 14:02:07 Seth Vidal wrote: I'm sure with the same logic I can say a lot of things. What I said was I want fewer broken things. -sv Seth, The problem is that

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Seth, Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:37:26 AM, you wrote: On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Al Dunsmuir wrote: Hello Seth, Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:23:00 AM, you wrote: Your primary server runs fedora? May I ask why? -sv I have limited time to do system installs and maintenance. Sticking

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Seth, Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:23:00 AM, you wrote: Your primary server runs fedora? May I ask why? -sv I have limited time to do system installs and maintenance. Sticking with one distribution helps keep that sane. I have a dual boot XP + Ubuntu machine that I do some play with,

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Ewan, Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 11:50:21 AM, you wrote: On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 09:33:45AM -0500, Al Dunsmuir wrote: Hello Seth, Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:23:00 AM, you wrote: Your primary server runs fedora? May I ask why? -sv I have limited time to do system installs

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Ewan, Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 12:41:26 PM, you wrote: On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 12:07:20PM -0500, Al Dunsmuir wrote: To some extent, I view my current contribution to Fedora as being unreasonable and insisting that it be able to perform basic server tasks reasonably

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Michael, Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 1:23:59 PM, you wrote: On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:08:48 -0500, Al wrote: I want more updates. I want them to be more frequent, incremental and each reasonably well tested. Trying to do too many changes at a time not only leads to an increased likelihood

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 2:10:04 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: However, I do wonder about some of the concerns about this being a requirement for all packages. So, here's a counter-proposal/expansion. If need be, each of these policies could be considered separately, although they do stack on

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 2:49:00 PM, Dan Horák wrote: Thanks Bill, this proposal is very similar to my dump of ideas posted earlier today. The only thing I would like to improve (probably in PackageKit) is the presentation of the content in updates-testing to the users, to make it more

Re: QA's Package update policy proposal

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello James, Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 2:53:22 PM, you wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 13:41 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Michael Schwendt wrote: If you - and the QA team - want to expand your testing activities, focus on the CRITPATH packages first. Do a good job there.

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 3:20:25 PM, Adam Willamson wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:13 -0500, Al Dunsmuir wrote: 1) All updates (even security) must pass AutoQA tests. Rationale: If a package breaks dependencies, does not install, or fails other obvious tests, it should not be pushed

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Krzysztof, Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 3:36:43 PM, you wrote: Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org writes: 2) It is impossible to ensure that functionality will not be reduced without sufficient testing. True. The whole point of an update may be the deliberate removal of

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-08 Thread Al Dunsmuir
-1. Nay. NoWay. No thanks. Uh uh. I could find little or nothing in your proposal to which I agreed... so decided not to quote any. I just registered at Fedoraforums.org and voted adventurous in Adam's poll. Just to make sure my voice is heard, and not the shouting of

Re: how to handle a gui- and non-gui-version of the same library/soname

2010-01-22 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Milos, Monday, January 18, 2010, 2:27:22 PM, you wrote: is there any good way how to handle the situation described at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528524 ? I.e. you have a single library (single soname) which can be compiled with or without GUI support (with