Re: "Basic graphics mode" feature and criterion discussion

2019-04-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2019-04-02 at 12:07 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 4:19 AM Kamil Paral wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 9:04 PM Adam Williamson > > wrote: > > > "The boot menu for all release-blocking installer and live images > > > should include an entry which causes both

Re: "Basic graphics mode" feature and criterion discussion

2019-04-02 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 4:19 AM Kamil Paral wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 9:04 PM Adam Williamson > wrote: >> >> "The boot menu for all release-blocking installer and live images >> should include an entry which causes both installation and the >> installed system to use a generic, highly

Re: "Basic graphics mode" feature and criterion discussion

2019-04-02 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 9:04 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > "The boot menu for all release-blocking installer and live images > should include an entry which causes both installation and the > installed system to use a generic, highly compatible video driver (such > as 'vesa')." > Maybe change

Re: "Basic graphics mode" feature and criterion discussion

2019-04-01 Thread Ben Cotton
On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 3:04 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > So, here's the specific text I propose. At Basic we would change this > requirement: >> > To read only: > > "The boot menu for all release-blocking installer and live images > should include an entry which causes both installation and the

Re: "Basic graphics mode" feature and criterion discussion

2019-04-01 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2019-03-26 at 14:30 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > My two cents: > > If there's a fallback option, and if the user selects it, they > shouldn't end up in an unambiguous state. Right now we're seeing > systems hanging. I'd rather see a crash than a hang where the user > can't get to a shell,

Re: "Basic graphics mode" feature and criterion discussion

2019-03-27 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 9:31 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > My two cents: > > If there's a fallback option, and if the user selects it, they > shouldn't end up in an unambiguous state. Right now we're seeing > systems hanging. I'd rather see a crash than a hang where the user > can't get to a shell,

Re: "Basic graphics mode" feature and criterion discussion

2019-03-26 Thread John M. Harris, Jr.
I don't know what it's like with GNOME, but running KDE spin with the compositor set to use XRender APIs, I have had no issues with various Nvidia cards both without their nasty proprietary code thrown into an otherwise pristine system. On March 26, 2019 7:13:18 PM EDT, Wolfgang Ulbrich

Re: "Basic graphics mode" feature and criterion discussion

2019-03-26 Thread Wolfgang Ulbrich
I noticed that with f30-beta-1.7 an installation with a 1030GT nvidia card is much improved. First time since more than 1 year that you can really use a livecd for installation without thinking ` better finishing the installation as far as possible`. Thanks a lot ajax. But honestly, for

Re: "Basic graphics mode" feature and criterion discussion

2019-03-26 Thread Chris Murphy
My two cents: If there's a fallback option, and if the user selects it, they shouldn't end up in an unambiguous state. Right now we're seeing systems hanging. I'd rather see a crash than a hang where the user can't get to a shell, and sees no useful information on the screen that tells them why

Re: "Basic graphics mode" feature and criterion discussion

2019-03-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2019-03-26 at 16:02 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > So with the above caveat understood that "work correctly" has a bunch > of asterisks next to it and you will probably be able to tell that > you're using a fallback path, I don't think it's intrinsically less > likely that graphics fallback

Re: "Basic graphics mode" feature and criterion discussion

2019-03-26 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2019-03-26 at 11:14 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > The justification for this is, I hope I am correctly representing all > views here (please say so if not), that this mechanism is both less > necessary (due to a general reduction in the amount of 'weird' graphics > hardware out there,

Re: "Basic graphics mode" feature and criterion discussion

2019-03-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2019-03-26 at 11:14 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > The justification for this is, I hope I am correctly representing all > views here (please say so if not), that this mechanism is both less > necessary (due to a general reduction in the amount of 'weird' graphics > hardware out there,

"Basic graphics mode" feature and criterion discussion

2019-03-26 Thread Adam Williamson
Hi folks! So at last week's Fedora 30 Beta Go/No-Go meeting, it was decided that the Basic release criterion: "Boot menu contents The boot menu for all supported installer and live images should include an entry which causes both installation and the installed system to use a generic, highly