Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-23 Thread Kevin Kofler
Chris Murphy wrote: I would use the word RELEASE instead of TC1, TC2, RC1, RC2. So Fedora 18 Alpha RC3 became Fedora 18 Alpha Release. It was after all a release candidate and once no longer a candidate, it is a release. I think release is even more confusing to the average user than gold.

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-18 Thread Stijn Hoop
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:21:00 -0700 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 22:03 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:51:00AM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: It's cute, but I think might read a bit bizarre in isolation. 'Ready for testing' is

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-18 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - On Thu, 2012-09-13 at 17:07 -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: At the F18 Alpha Go/No-Go Meeting that just occurred, the Fedora 18 Alpha release was declared GOLD. F18 Alpha will be released Tuesday, September 18, 2012. It's been suggested that we should stop

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-18 Thread John . Florian
devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote on 09/18/2012 02:18:31: From: Stijn Hoop st...@sandcat.nl To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: 09/18/2012 02:18 Subject: Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD Sent by: devel-boun

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-18 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sep 17, 2012, at 3:34 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: Also, the point of marking something as GOLD was that it's ready to be staged for distribution. GOLD meant Gold Master, that is the master copy was produced and sent off to the duplicators. Right. The GM refers to the digital version from

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-18 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sep 18, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: On 09/18/2012 10:16 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: I would use the word RELEASE instead of TC1, TC2, RC1, RC2. So Fedora 18 Alpha RC3 became Fedora 18 Alpha Release. It was after all a release candidate and once no longer a candidate, it is a

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-09-18 at 08:18 +0200, Stijn Hoop wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:21:00 -0700 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 22:03 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:51:00AM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: It's cute, but I think might read

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-09-18 at 11:16 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: On Sep 17, 2012, at 3:34 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: Also, the point of marking something as GOLD was that it's ready to be staged for distribution. GOLD meant Gold Master, that is the master copy was produced and sent off to the

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-18 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sep 18, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: So in the context of this mail, we're not talking about Alpha being released, we're talking about it being declared release-able. Fedora 18 Alpha Release Criteria/Requirements fill-in Satisfied Fulfilled Met Achieved Fedora 18 Alpha is

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2012-09-13 at 17:07 -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: At the F18 Alpha Go/No-Go Meeting that just occurred, the Fedora 18 Alpha release was declared GOLD. F18 Alpha will be released Tuesday, September 18, 2012. It's been suggested that we should stop using 'GOLD' when talking about Alpha

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-17 Thread G.Wolfe Woodbury
On 09/17/2012 04:27 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: It's been suggested that we should stop using 'GOLD' when talking about Alpha and Beta, and I think this is right. Only final releases should be said to have gone 'gold' - this is how the term is generally understood, and using it for Alpha and

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 16:37 -0400, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: On 09/17/2012 04:27 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: It's been suggested that we should stop using 'GOLD' when talking about Alpha and Beta, and I think this is right. Only final releases should be said to have gone 'gold' - this is how

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-17 Thread Jesse Keating
On 09/17/2012 02:19 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 16:37 -0400, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: On 09/17/2012 04:27 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: It's been suggested that we should stop using 'GOLD' when talking about Alpha and Beta, and I think this is right. Only final releases should

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 14:34 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: On 09/17/2012 02:19 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 16:37 -0400, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: On 09/17/2012 04:27 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: It's been suggested that we should stop using 'GOLD' when talking about Alpha

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 02:34:23PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: master copy was produced and sent off to the duplicators. Ready for testing doesn't quite embody that same idea. Completed seems to make some sense, the Alpha has been completed and is now being staged for release. Although

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-17 Thread Björn Persson
Adam Williamson wrote: I like the suggestion to use bronze then silver then gold It's cute, but I think might read a bit bizarre in isolation. 'Ready for testing' is terminally boring, but seems safe... Aren't the terms alpha and beta? Fedora 18 has been declared alpha. Before that it was

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 03:32:55PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: Completed seems to make some sense, the Alpha has been completed and is now being staged for release. Although completed might go too far in the other direction -- why test something that's *over*? Bzzt. You can suggest a new

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jesse Keating wrote: Bzzt. You can suggest a new color for the bike shed and then, when it is justified, then you have permission to reject the current color. :) But what if we think the current golden painting of the bikeshed is just fine and it doesn't need to be repainted at all? ;-)

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:51:00AM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: It's cute, but I think might read a bit bizarre in isolation. 'Ready for testing' is terminally boring, but seems safe... Aren't the terms alpha and beta? Fedora 18 has been declared alpha. Before that it was pre-alpha. After

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-09-18 at 01:49 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jesse Keating wrote: Bzzt. You can suggest a new color for the bike shed and then, when it is justified, then you have permission to reject the current color. :) But what if we think the current golden painting of the bikeshed is

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 22:03 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:51:00AM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: It's cute, but I think might read a bit bizarre in isolation. 'Ready for testing' is terminally boring, but seems safe... Aren't the terms alpha and beta? Fedora 18 has

[Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-13 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
At the F18 Alpha Go/No-Go Meeting that just occurred, the Fedora 18 Alpha release was declared GOLD. F18 Alpha will be released Tuesday, September 18, 2012. Thanks to everyone who helped to make it possible, to ship Spherical Cow out of the doors to the wild journey for Beta and GA! Meeting