Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-13 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, September 11, 2020 4:36:38 AM MST Björn Persson wrote: > John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Thursday, September 10, 2020 11:56:25 PM MST alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > > > But systemd in Fedora is built to use > > > FallbackNTPServers=0.fedora.pool.ntp.org 1.fedora.pool.ntp.org > > > 2.fedora

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-11 Thread David Kaufmann
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 01:36:38PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > So where is a global pool of volunteer-provided DNS resolvers similar > to pool.ntp.org? I've never heard of one, and I suspect it's not > advisable to do that with DNS. There is currently no such thing that I know of, but lacking th

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-11 Thread Björn Persson
John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Thursday, September 10, 2020 11:56:25 PM MST alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > > But systemd in Fedora is built to use > > FallbackNTPServers=0.fedora.pool.ntp.org 1.fedora.pool.ntp.org > > 2.fedora.pool.ntp.org 3.fedora.pool.ntp.org > > Sounds like a good change, which

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-11 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 01:55:54AM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Thursday, September 10, 2020 10:38:51 PM MST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 06:37:56PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > > > On Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:42:24 AM MST Zbigniew Jędrze

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-11 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 10:38:51 PM MST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 06:37:56PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:42:24 AM MST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 01:27:30PM +0200

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-11 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 11:56:25 PM MST alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 18:33 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > > > Why in the world would systemd have anything to do with NTP? We still > > use > > > It has to do with NTP in the same degree it has to do with DNS.

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread alciregi
On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 18:33 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > Why in the world would systemd have anything to do with NTP? We still > use It has to do with NTP in the same degree it has to do with DNS. Sure, we use chronyd. But, if I'm not wrong, if a user disables chronyd and enable systemd-t

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 06:37:56PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:42:24 AM MST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 01:27:30PM +0200, alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 12:06 +0200, Eugene Syromiatnikov wrote

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 9:34 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Thursday, September 10, 2020 1:36:18 AM MST alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > > On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 01:02 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > A quick reminder that we're about to release with the system > > > configured

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:42:24 AM MST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 01:27:30PM +0200, alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > > > On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 12:06 +0200, Eugene Syromiatnikov wrote: > > > > > > > > > > These DNS addresses are bundled upstream in systemd.

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:27:30 AM MST alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 12:06 +0200, Eugene Syromiatnikov wrote: > > > > > > > These DNS addresses are bundled upstream in systemd. And they are > > > used > > > in the event of a misconfiguration of your network settings,

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 1:36:18 AM MST alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 01:02 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > > > > > A quick reminder that we're about to release with the system > > configured to use > > Google DNS when no DNS servers are configured. If privacy

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 01:27:30PM +0200, alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 12:06 +0200, Eugene Syromiatnikov wrote: > > > > > > These DNS addresses are bundled upstream in systemd. And they are > > > used > > > in the event of a misconfiguration of your network settings, isn't >

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread alciregi
On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 12:06 +0200, Eugene Syromiatnikov wrote: > > > > These DNS addresses are bundled upstream in systemd. And they are > > used > > in the event of a misconfiguration of your network settings, isn't > > it? > > However they are easily customizable in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf >

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread Eugene Syromiatnikov
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 10:36:18AM +0200, alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 01:02 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > > > > A quick reminder that we're about to release with the system > > configured to use > > Google DNS when no DNS servers are configured. If privacy is value

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread alciregi
On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 01:02 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > A quick reminder that we're about to release with the system > configured to use > Google DNS when no DNS servers are configured. If privacy is valued > at all, > this needs to be addressed before release. These DNS addresses a

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 12:43:28 PM MST Ben Cotton wrote: > Due to outstanding unresolved blockers, there is no release candidate > for Fedora 33 Beta yet. I am cancelling tomorrow's Go/No-Go meeting. > The Release Readiness meeting *will be held* as scheduled[1]. Please > update the Releas

[Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-09 Thread Ben Cotton
Due to outstanding unresolved blockers, there is no release candidate for Fedora 33 Beta yet. I am cancelling tomorrow's Go/No-Go meeting. The Release Readiness meeting *will be held* as scheduled[1]. Please update the Release Readiness wiki page[2] with your team's readiness if appropriate. We wil