Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2012-08-16 at 09:06 -0700, John Reiser wrote: > I disagree with the resource allocation decision that RV280 is not worthy > of the attention that is necessary to provide the functionality required by > Gnome3. Of the approximately nine functionally different generations of radeons on the

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:21:16 -0700, John Reiser wrote: On 08/16/2012 08:52 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:13:14 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: Even where you guys couldn't get stuff working, I have gotten work around advice. For example, Airlie told me how to dis

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:28:43PM -0700, John Reiser wrote: > Something good enough so that the combination of {kernel, Xorg server, > Xorg device driver} would satisfy Gnome3's desires for a display > that did not suffer fallback mode. Vesa should already be running llvmpipe and not triggering

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2012-08-16 at 12:28 -0700, John Reiser wrote: > On 08/16/2012 11:55 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 07:31:39AM -0700, John Reiser wrote: > >> What about a "KMS vesafb"? > > > What would a KMS vesafb even be? > > Something good enough so that the combination of {kern

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread John Reiser
On 08/16/2012 11:55 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 07:31:39AM -0700, John Reiser wrote: > >> The wiki page says that the ServerKMSDrivers are 100% implemented, >> so they should be testable in F-18 Alpha. >> However, the wiki page also says "MGA SE or AST" only. >> What about

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 07:31:39AM -0700, John Reiser wrote: > The wiki page says that the ServerKMSDrivers are 100% implemented, > so they should be testable in F-18 Alpha. > However, the wiki page also says "MGA SE or AST" only. > What about a "KMS vesafb"? What would a KMS vesafb even be? --

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread John Reiser
On 08/16/2012 08:52 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:13:14 -0400, > Adam Jackson wrote: > Even where you guys couldn't get stuff working, I have gotten work around > advice. For example, Airlie told me how to disable AGP in order to prevent > lockups on my rv280. Other

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread John Reiser
On 08/16/2012 07:52 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Thu, 2012-08-16 at 07:47 -0700, John Reiser wrote: > >> New Radeon 9250 cards [RV280] were advertised by Fry's Electronics on August >> 3; >> advantages: $50 cheap, perhaps low profile, perhaps available in AGP. >> There are thousands of such cards

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:13:14 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: Yeah, sorry that the devices that need the most work are the ones that get the most work. In the future we'll be sure to focus on end-of-lifed hardware with feature-complete drivers. Even where you guys couldn't get stuff working,

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2012-08-16 at 07:47 -0700, John Reiser wrote: > New Radeon 9250 cards [RV280] were advertised by Fry's Electronics on August > 3; > advantages: $50 cheap, perhaps low profile, perhaps available in AGP. > There are thousands of such cards appearing in used equipment channels > because of t

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread John Reiser
On 08/16/2012 07:13 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 09:11 -0700, John Reiser wrote: >> In practice for the last 2 years, I notice that X11 pays little attention >> to anything except the "big 3": current Radeon, nVidia, and Intel graphics. >> "3D" [alpha blending, etc.] has taken d

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread John Reiser
On 08/16/2012 06:24 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >> This is an ordinary bug, probably in some X11 driver, perhaps >> mach64_drv. >> In practice for the last 2 years, I notice that X11 pays little >> attention >> to anything except the "big 3": current Radeon, nVidia, and Intel >> graphics. >> "3D" [a

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 09:11 -0700, John Reiser wrote: > > In the X.log I see: > > > > [ 182.375] Backtrace: > > [ 182.375] 0: Xorg (xorg_backtrace+0x36) [0x464d46] > > [ 182.375] 1: Xorg (0x40+0x69d99) [0x469d99] > > [ 182.375] 2: /lib64/libpthread.so.0 (0x7f315a2bf000

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
> This is an ordinary bug, probably in some X11 driver, perhaps > mach64_drv. > In practice for the last 2 years, I notice that X11 pays little > attention > to anything except the "big 3": current Radeon, nVidia, and Intel > graphics. > "3D" [alpha blending, etc.] has taken developer resources awa

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 08/09/2012 01:04 PM, Jos Vos wrote: "--yesiknowwhatiamdoingbutitaketherisk" ;-). I think you misspelled %pre :) -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- FreedomĀ² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-09 Thread Jos Vos
On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 11:29:10AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > "Implementing growing of raid partitions such that an arbitrary number > of partitions always grow at the same rate and end up the same size is > quite difficult. There are just more important things that we need to > work on. Hmm

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 19:51 +0200, Jos Vos wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 09:48:19AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > A wild shot in the dark, but not > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F17_bugs#ksdevice-case-sensitive ? > > I wrote that because we had one person who was using > > 'ksd

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-09 Thread Jos Vos
On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 09:48:19AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > A wild shot in the dark, but not > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F17_bugs#ksdevice-case-sensitive ? > I wrote that because we had one person who was using > 'ksdevice=BOOTIF'... Too easy... no, the boot cmdline is correct

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-09 Thread Jos Vos
On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 09:11:42AM -0700, John Reiser wrote: > > The system has 3 NIC's, 2x Broadcom BCM5704 and 1x Netgear GA630. > > I use a BCM5704 for network install. This works fine on CentOS with > > ksdevice=link. With F17 I see multiple dhcp being started, resulting > > in multiple time

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 17:04 +0200, Jos Vos wrote: > Hi, > > When trying to do a test install of F17 on server hardware (a dual > AMD Opteron system from 2006 with 1 GB of memory), I noticed several > issues, while CentOS 6.3 installs fine. So I want to share my > experiences, ask for your feedbac

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-09 Thread John Reiser
> (1) > The system has 3 NIC's, 2x Broadcom BCM5704 and 1x Netgear GA630. > I use a BCM5704 for network install. This works fine on CentOS with > ksdevice=link. With F17 I see multiple dhcp being started, resulting > in multiple timeouts (I even see a second dhcp being started for em2 > while jus

Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-09 Thread Jos Vos
Hi, When trying to do a test install of F17 on server hardware (a dual AMD Opteron system from 2006 with 1 GB of memory), I noticed several issues, while CentOS 6.3 installs fine. So I want to share my experiences, ask for your feedback, and then file bugs when needed. There are 3 major issues,