Re: F-13 Branched report: 20100317 changes

2010-03-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
Till Maas wrote: It would be enough to only push the update that got enough testing and all updates in newer releases to keep the upgrade path. Yes. Pushing stuff to older releases later does not break upgrade paths, it just annoys and confuses folks. Pushing stuff to older releases first is

Re: F-13 Branched report: 20100317 changes

2010-03-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jesse Keating wrote: We do separate testing per release, because each release is different. Different library sets, different kernels, glibc, some different desktop environments, etc... Assuming that testing on one release means that it'll work on other releases is grossly irresponsible. In

Re: F-13 Branched report: 20100317 changes

2010-03-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
Thomas Spura wrote: Why testing? A maybe-broken update is better than a non-working programm isn't it? +1, broken dependency fixes should go stable ASAP. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F-13 Branched report: 20100317 changes

2010-03-20 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 07:38:43AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Till Maas wrote: These requirements render the karma automatism useless for all branches except F13, because the fedora-packager package in F12 was iirc pushed automatically after it received enough testing. If this implies, that

Re: F-13 Branched report: 20100317 changes

2010-03-19 Thread Thomas Spura
Am Donnerstag, den 18.03.2010, 23:30 +0530 schrieb Rakesh Pandit: On 18 March 2010 00:19, Branched Report wrote: Compose started at Wed Mar 17 09:15:24 UTC 2010 linphone-2.1.1-4.fc12.i686 requires libortp.so.7 Thanks Quentin for looking into this and Jesse for importing. I have

Re: F-13 Branched report: 20100317 changes

2010-03-19 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Thomas Spura spur...@students.uni-mainz.de wrote: Why testing? A maybe-broken update is better than a non-working programm isn't it? Because there are a significant number of people that will scream bloody murder if people push packages directly to stable

Re: F-13 Branched report: 20100317 changes

2010-03-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 13:34 -0500, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Thomas Spura spur...@students.uni-mainz.de wrote: Why testing? A maybe-broken update is better than a non-working programm isn't it? Because there are a significant number of people that will

Re: F-13 Branched report: 20100317 changes

2010-03-18 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 01:36:59AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Both fedora-easy-karma and fedora-packager are breaking upgrade paths, this inheritance problem is just another side effect of that. The packages have to be pushed to stable either simultaneously or in decreasing release order.

Re: F-13 Branched report: 20100317 changes

2010-03-18 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 02:32:35AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: I wrote: Both fedora-easy-karma and fedora-packager are breaking upgrade paths, this inheritance problem is just another side effect of that. The packages have to be pushed to stable either simultaneously or in decreasing release

Re: F-13 Branched report: 20100317 changes

2010-03-18 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thu, 2010-03-18 at 02:32 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: I wrote: Both fedora-easy-karma and fedora-packager are breaking upgrade paths, this inheritance problem is just another side effect of that. The packages have to be pushed to stable either simultaneously or in decreasing release

Re: F-13 Branched report: 20100317 changes

2010-03-17 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 06:49:41PM +, Branched Report wrote: fedora-easy-karma-0-0.3.20100306git00fc20aa.fc12.noarch requires fedora-packager = 0:0.4.0 This is unexpected behaviour of Fedora for me. Why is the package from F12 automatically added to the F13 repo? The current

Re: F-13 Branched report: 20100317 changes

2010-03-17 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 21:12:33 +0100, Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 06:49:41PM +, Branched Report wrote: fedora-easy-karma-0-0.3.20100306git00fc20aa.fc12.noarch requires fedora-packager = 0:0.4.0 This is unexpected behaviour of Fedora for me.

Re: F-13 Branched report: 20100317 changes

2010-03-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Till Maas wrote: On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 06:49:41PM +, Branched Report wrote: fedora-easy-karma-0-0.3.20100306git00fc20aa.fc12.noarch requires fedora-packager = 0:0.4.0 This is unexpected behaviour of Fedora for me. Why is the package from F12 automatically added to the F13 repo? The

Re: F-13 Branched report: 20100317 changes

2010-03-17 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at said: PS: The main cause for this kind of problems is people insisting on separate testing per release. IMHO updates should go out to all releases at the same time, based on the sum of the testing done for all of them, then we won't have

Re: F-13 Branched report: 20100317 changes

2010-03-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Chris Adams wrote: It shouldn't be based on the sum, as that would mean positives for one release could override negatives for another. That's kinda the whole point. Kinda because of course negatives should not be ignored, but that's always true, even if the positives are for the same