Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-27 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 26. 07. 23 v 21:11 Björn Persson napsal(a): Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: On 26/07/2023 11:04, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: You could, for example, buy a supported Logitech Receiver I don't recommend anyone to buy this proprietary hardware: For years I tried to use Bluetooth

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 21:11, Björn Persson wrote: > Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 26/07/2023 11:04, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > > You could, for example, buy a supported Logitech > > > Receiver > > > > I don't recommend anyone to buy this proprietary hardware: >

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Björn Persson
Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 26/07/2023 11:04, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > You could, for example, buy a supported Logitech > > Receiver > > I don't recommend anyone to buy this proprietary hardware: For years I tried to use Bluetooth mice, thinking a standard would be

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 26/07/2023 11:24, Alexander Ploumistos wrote: What Dominik wrote would apply e.g. for an NVMe replacement drive from Kingston or Samsung (proprietary hardware too, it's a shocker). None of my 5 Samsung SSDs are supported (3 NVMe and 2 SATA). But they can be updated from MS Windows. I

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Leon Fauster via devel
Am 26.07.23 um 18:00 schrieb Chris Adams: Once upon a time, Solomon Peachy said: None of the other SSDs I have deployed (Samsung and Crucual SATA) are updatable via LVFS, unfortunately. But, hilariously, both Samsung and Crucial's official updaters appear to be self-contained linux ISOs. So

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 3:37 PM Ralf Corsépius wrote: > > > > Am 26.07.23 um 15:55 schrieb Solomon Peachy via devel: > > On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 09:45:13AM +0200, Ralf Corsépius wrote: > >> It could be "my bubble", but for me, in all these fwupd is around, it has > >> never, ever worked on any

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Solomon Peachy said: > None of the other SSDs I have deployed (Samsung and Crucual SATA) are > updatable via LVFS, unfortunately. But, hilariously, both Samsung and > Crucial's official updaters appear to be self-contained linux ISOs. So > clearly the technical capability

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Solomon Peachy via devel
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 04:36:13PM +0200, Ralf Corsépius wrote: > My (older) lenovo laptop and my HPE Micro-Server are obviously not. The laptop is a T495 (introduced late 2019), but the workstation is an older HP Z440 (introduced in late 2014!) > This is the second time, somebody mentions

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Ralf Corsépius
Am 26.07.23 um 15:55 schrieb Solomon Peachy via devel: On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 09:45:13AM +0200, Ralf Corsépius wrote: It could be "my bubble", but for me, in all these fwupd is around, it has never, ever worked on any piece of HW for me. Most of the stuff I have that is updated through

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Solomon Peachy via devel
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 11:48:36AM +0300, Alexander Ploumistos wrote: > That would require people volunteering to potentially brick their > machines in order to test the updates. If something goes wrong, the > equipment (and the knowledge) necessary to reprogram a chip is rather > scarce. I'm

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Solomon Peachy via devel
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 09:45:13AM +0200, Ralf Corsépius wrote: > It could be "my bubble", but for me, in all these fwupd is around, it has > never, ever worked on any piece of HW for me. Most of the stuff I have that is updated through fwupd are peripherals [1] that are independent of the

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 8:40 AM Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, Vitaly Zaitsev said: > > On 26/07/2023 08:48, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > >Define small.  > > > > Only Dell, HP and Lenovo laptops are fully supported: > > https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devices/ > > > > fwupd is a

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Vitaly Zaitsev said: > On 26/07/2023 08:48, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > >Define small.  > > Only Dell, HP and Lenovo laptops are fully supported: > https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devices/ > > fwupd is a great tool on laptops but completely useless on desktops > since no

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Alexander Ploumistos
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:14 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 26/07/2023 11:04, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > You could, for example, buy a supported Logitech > > Receiver > > I don't recommend anyone to buy this proprietary hardware: > > > The vulnerabilities allow

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 26/07/2023 11:04, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: You could, for example, buy a supported Logitech Receiver I don't recommend anyone to buy this proprietary hardware: The vulnerabilities allow attackers to sniff on keyboard traffic, but also inject keystrokes (even into dongles not

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 10:49, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 26/07/2023 10:32, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > Those devices which do support fwupd have a large enough market share > > that it is justifiable to enable it, even if there are many machines > > which can't support it. > >

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 26/07/2023 10:32, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: Those devices which do support fwupd have a large enough market share that it is justifiable to enable it, even if there are many machines which can't support it. Maybe Anaconda should only enable it if the device is supported? This information

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Alexander Ploumistos
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 10:59 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > Only Dell, HP and Lenovo laptops are fully supported: > https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devices/ Not just laptops, desktops/workstations too. In the last six years, I've had five different models provided by my employers and they were

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 09:59:26AM +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 26/07/2023 08:48, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > Define small.  > > Only Dell, HP and Lenovo laptops are fully supported: > https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devices/ > > fwupd is a great tool on laptops but

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 26/07/2023 08:48, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: Define small.  Only Dell, HP and Lenovo laptops are fully supported: https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devices/ fwupd is a great tool on laptops but completely useless on desktops since no motherboard vendors support it. Maybe fwupd should

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 09:45:13AM +0200, Ralf Corsépius wrote: > > > Am 26.07.23 um 08:48 schrieb Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski: > > On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 06:23, Ralf Corsépius wrote: > > > Am 23.07.23 um 00:39 schrieb Neal Gompa: > > > > Actually, why wouldn't this be used everywhere?

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Ralf Corsépius
Am 26.07.23 um 08:48 schrieb Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski: On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 06:23, Ralf Corsépius wrote: Am 23.07.23 um 00:39 schrieb Neal Gompa: Actually, why wouldn't this be used everywhere? Because fwupd only works on a small set of machines? Define small. :) Almost

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 06:23, Ralf Corsépius wrote: > Am 23.07.23 um 00:39 schrieb Neal Gompa: > > Actually, why wouldn't this be used everywhere? > > Because fwupd only works on a small set of machines? Define small. :) It works, for example, on any machine that has a Logitech Unifying/

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-25 Thread Ralf Corsépius
Am 23.07.23 um 00:39 schrieb Neal Gompa: Actually, why wouldn't this be used everywhere? Because fwupd only works on a small set of machines? Ralf ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-25 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 10:39 AM Timothée Ravier wrote: > > > Would these messages show up, for example, if they opened the terminal app? > > They only show up on the console / ssh login prompt if I'm not mistaken: > https://github.com/fwupd/fwupd/tree/main/data/motd That means they will show

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-25 Thread Timothée Ravier
> Would these messages show up, for example, if they opened the terminal app? They only show up on the console / ssh login prompt if I'm not mistaken: https://github.com/fwupd/fwupd/tree/main/data/motd ___ devel mailing list --

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-25 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 8:52 AM Timothée Ravier wrote: > > > Actually, why wouldn't this be used everywhere? I could see this be > > useful when people remote into workstations and apply updates. I know > > of plenty of people that split their desktops between local and remote > >

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-25 Thread Timothée Ravier
> Actually, why wouldn't this be used everywhere? I could see this be > useful when people remote into workstations and apply updates. I know > of plenty of people that split their desktops between local and remote > access/administration. We could enable it everywhere but we've not reached out

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-22 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 3:32 PM Dan Čermák wrote: > > Hi, > > Aoife Moloney writes: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableFwupdRefreshByDefault > > > *snip* > > > > == Detailed Description == > > > > Firmware for hardware devices can have bugs and firmware updates > > generally help

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-22 Thread Dan Čermák
Hi, Aoife Moloney writes: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableFwupdRefreshByDefault > *snip* > > == Detailed Description == > > Firmware for hardware devices can have bugs and firmware updates > generally help address those. Firmware updates might however need > manual interaction, a

F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-21 Thread Aoife Moloney
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableFwupdRefreshByDefault This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora Engineering

F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-21 Thread Aoife Moloney
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableFwupdRefreshByDefault This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora Engineering