Re: FESCo wants a more sane updates policy (feedback requested)

2010-03-01 Thread Naheem Zaffar
Thankyou for starting all this hard work with the certainty that it *will* be blamed by some people. As an end User I extremely like that Fedora does not ban newer packages from Stable releases. At the same time I can see how direct pushes can sometimes create unforseen bugs. I however do not

Re: FESCo wants a more sane updates policy (feedback requested)

2010-02-28 Thread James Antill
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 15:21 +, Richard Hughes wrote: On 26 February 2010 22:54, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: - If stable pushes were more restricted, perhaps that would get us more testing? If someone required a newer version and could easier install/test from updates-testing

Re: FESCo wants a more sane updates policy (feedback requested)

2010-02-28 Thread Kevin Kofler
drago01 wrote: There has been a draft a while ago which did not result into much discussion .. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Desktop/Whiteboards/UpdateExperience Which looks pretty sane to me. It looks very insane to me: * only critical bugfixes, security fixes and hardware enablement for

Re: FESCo wants a more sane updates policy (feedback requested)

2010-02-28 Thread Mail Lists
On 02/28/2010 06:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: drago01 wrote: There has been a draft a while ago which did not result into much discussion .. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Desktop/Whiteboards/UpdateExperience Which looks pretty sane to me. It looks very insane to me: * only critical

Re: FESCo wants a more sane updates policy (feedback requested)

2010-02-28 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 12:25:01AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: drago01 wrote: There has been a draft a while ago which did not result into much discussion .. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Desktop/Whiteboards/UpdateExperience Which looks pretty sane to me. It looks very insane to me: * only

Re: FESCo wants a more sane updates policy (feedback requested)

2010-02-27 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 03:54:02PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: b. Given a, I would say people should stop posting to this thread. If you have a better updates policy in mind, perhaps you could draft up a proposal for what you think it should be? Or wait for a real proposal to comment on? Since

Re: FESCo wants a more sane updates policy (feedback requested)

2010-02-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Till Maas wrote: Pushing less updates to F(current-1) is probably something many maintainers can live with. But I have also heard of people using F(current-1) and feeling like secondary users, because they did not get the updates that F(current) got. Yes. IMHO the old stable release deserves

Re: FESCo wants a more sane updates policy (feedback requested)

2010-02-27 Thread Richard Hughes
On 26 February 2010 22:54, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: - If stable pushes were more restricted, perhaps that would get us more  testing? If someone required a newer version and could easier  install/test from updates-testing and provide feedback, don't we all  win? Perhaps we could have

Re: FESCo wants a more sane updates policy (feedback requested)

2010-02-27 Thread drago01
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: I'm putting my thoughts here... but this is again one of those threads that has about 500 forks and people nit picking back and forth, so I am never sure where to do a general reply. ;) There has been a draft a while ago

Re: FESCo wants a more sane updates policy (feedback requested)

2010-02-27 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On 02/27/2010 04:21 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: On 26 February 2010 22:54, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: - If stable pushes were more restricted, perhaps that would get us more testing? If someone required a newer version and could easier install/test from updates-testing and provide