Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, but the result of all
my poking about at keyboard layout bugs and related stuff recently is
that I'm pretty sad at the state of support for
anything-but-U.S.-English in Fedora 18.
Here's the tally:
*
Il 03/01/2013 09:03, Adam Williamson ha scritto:
1. In the short term, is the combination of all these factors enough for
us to want to delay F18 further to try and make things suck less?
I was waiting for an e-mail like yours, and I am happy to see someone
speaking about a delay of F18 release.
On 01/03/2013 08:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, but the result of all
my poking about at keyboard layout bugs and related stuff recently is
that I'm pretty sad at the state of support for
anything-but-U.S.-English in Fedora 18.
snip.../snip
I
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 09:23 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 01/03/2013 08:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, but the result of all
my poking about at keyboard layout bugs and related stuff recently is
that I'm pretty sad at the state of
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 01:42 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 09:23 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 01/03/2013 08:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, but the result of all
my poking about at keyboard layout bugs and
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 20:17 +1030, William Brown wrote:
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 01:42 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 09:23 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 01/03/2013 08:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, but the
On 01/03/2013 09:42 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
I really didn't want this to turn into a release philosophy thread, the
question was limited strictly to a 'how bad do we really think these
keymap issues are' thing.
Yes and I think they are bad enough that we should delay the release for
them
Dne 3.1.2013 10:51, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 20:17 +1030, William Brown wrote:
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 01:42 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 09:23 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 01/03/2013 08:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Hey, folks. I'm not
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 11:31 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote:
Dne 3.1.2013 10:51, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 20:17 +1030, William Brown wrote:
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 01:42 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 09:23 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On
Adam Williamson píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 00:03 -0800:
Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, but the result of all
my poking about at keyboard layout bugs and related stuff recently is
that I'm pretty sad at the state of support for
anything-but-U.S.-English in Fedora 18.
Here's
Dne 3.1.2013 11:34, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 11:31 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote:
Dne 3.1.2013 10:51, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 20:17 +1030, William Brown wrote:
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 01:42 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 09:23
Jiri Eischmann wrote:
Adam Williamson píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 00:03 -0800:
…
2. If not, do we want to engage in some Messaging around the F18 release
to emphasize that we know there are all these issues and we'll try to
smooth things out for F19?
…
So yes, these issues are serious,
On 01/03/2013 10:37 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
So yes, these issues are serious, but IMHO rather a long-term problem we
should focus on after releasing F18.
I disagree I think we need to fix those things first.
Ask yourself this, If the roles where reversed and US keymaps and
translation was
- Original Message -
Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, but the result of
all
my poking about at keyboard layout bugs and related stuff recently is
that I'm pretty sad at the state of support for
anything-but-U.S.-English in Fedora 18.
Here's the tally:
*
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Fabian Deutsch fabian.deut...@gmx.de wrote:
Jiri Eischmann wrote:
Adam Williamson píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 00:03 -0800:
…
2. If not, do we want to engage in some Messaging around the F18 release
to emphasize that we know there are all these issues and
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 12:40 +:
On 01/03/2013 10:37 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
So yes, these issues are serious, but IMHO rather a long-term problem we
should focus on after releasing F18.
I disagree I think we need to fix those things first.
Ask yourself
drago01 píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 14:13 +0100:
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Fabian Deutsch fabian.deut...@gmx.de wrote:
Jiri Eischmann wrote:
Adam Williamson píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 00:03 -0800:
…
2. If not, do we want to engage in some Messaging around the F18 release
to
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Jiri Eischmann eischm...@redhat.com wrote:
drago01 píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 14:13 +0100:
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Fabian Deutsch fabian.deut...@gmx.de
wrote:
Jiri Eischmann wrote:
Adam Williamson píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 00:03 -0800:
…
2. If
drago01 píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 14:43 +0100:
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Jiri Eischmann eischm...@redhat.com wrote:
drago01 píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 14:13 +0100:
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Fabian Deutsch fabian.deut...@gmx.de
wrote:
Jiri Eischmann wrote:
Adam Williamson
On Thu, 03.01.13 00:03, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote:
* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=889562 - systemd
conversion from xkb to console layouts fails probably more than it
succeeds, when it does, you wind up with U.S. English as your console
layout, not whatever you
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
In the meantime, until somebody wants to spend the time on writing this
tool I think the best is to update the keyboard mapping table that
systemd ships. I am more than happy to apply patches to that and it's no
On 01/03/2013 01:57 PM, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
drago01 píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 14:43 +0100:
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Jiri Eischmann eischm...@redhat.com wrote:
drago01 píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 14:13 +0100:
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Fabian Deutsch fabian.deut...@gmx.de wrote:
- Original Message -
Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, but the result of
all
my poking about at keyboard layout bugs and related stuff recently is
that I'm pretty sad at the state of support for
anything-but-U.S.-English in Fedora 18.
Here's the tally:
*
t...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 4:15:29 PM
Subject: Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Josef Skladanka
jskla...@redhat.com
wrote:
I'm absolutely +1 with jeischmann and jreznik on this matter.
Keyboard
On 01/03/2013 04:01 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
What is not right here while the distribution has significantly
increased in size the release cycle has not been extended to accommodate
for that ( amongst other growth pain we suffer from )
The number of packages might have increased, but it
On 01/03/2013 04:01 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
I assume you are not using encrypted partition
I do.
Given that we are already that far behind the schedule few more months
hardly matter or at least delay the release up to the point this issues
are fixed.
Yes it does. Many already
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
3. In the longer term, how can we get anaconda, i18n, systemd, GNOME etc
folks all pointed in the same direction and working so that there's far
less suckage and far more smooth interaction going on here? Should we
try
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 14:19 +0100, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 12:40 +:
On 01/03/2013 10:37 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
So yes, these issues are serious, but IMHO rather a long-term problem we
should focus on after releasing F18.
I disagree
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 15:43 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Thu, 03.01.13 00:03, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote:
* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=889562 - systemd
conversion from xkb to console layouts fails probably more than it
succeeds, when it does, you
On Thu, 03.01.13 09:38, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote:
If we have such a tool, can we make the whole area of keymap
configuration much less insane? Right now we appear to have at least the
following:
Well, we still will allow configuration of per-boot, per-system and
per-user
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 18:53 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Thu, 03.01.13 09:38, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote:
If we have such a tool, can we make the whole area of keymap
configuration much less insane? Right now we appear to have at least the
following:
Well, we
On 01/03/2013 09:59 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
if
there's /etc/keyboard.conf specifying 'KEYBOARD=foo', [then] I should never
have to pass 'KEYBOARD=foo' as a cmdline to make foo my keyboard layout
in some case. As things stand I believe I do, for passphrase entry
during dracut.
The dracut
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 10:09 -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=891487 - anaconda
doesn't
seem to manage to offer all the keyboard layouts it could do, and
some
of the ones it's missing are somewhat important
Already accepted as NTH, Vratislav
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 10:26 -0800, John Reiser wrote:
On 01/03/2013 09:59 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
if
there's /etc/keyboard.conf specifying 'KEYBOARD=foo', [then] I should never
have to pass 'KEYBOARD=foo' as a cmdline to make foo my keyboard layout
in some case. As things stand I
- Original Message -
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 10:09 -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=891487 - anaconda
doesn't
seem to manage to offer all the keyboard layouts it could do, and
some
of the ones it's missing are somewhat important
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said:
In addition to those bugs, we have fairly significant regressions in the
completeness of anaconda translations between Fedora 16 and Fedora 18
(the numbers for F17 for some languages are weird - a lot of languages
show 55% completion for F17 but
On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 09:59:52AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
Oh sure. I guess I need to draw a distinction between what I see as two
different cases. Which I'm sure you understand but I'm having trouble
describing clearly. I guess what I'm saying is, if
there's /etc/keyboard.conf
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 19:58 +0100, Till Maas wrote:
On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 09:59:52AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
Oh sure. I guess I need to draw a distinction between what I see as two
different cases. Which I'm sure you understand but I'm having trouble
describing clearly. I guess
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