Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-04 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 3 octobre 2011 18:56, Adam Jackson a écrit : More to the point, your DPI numbers would be per-output anyway, so there's no picking a single point size preference, the same size in pixels would be different sizes in millimeters on each output. So what? Yes dpi needs to be per-output

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-04 Thread Camilo Mesias
Hi, On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: The XP I occasionally can not avoid to use, in its system control menus has controls to switch between normal, big very big fonts and expert/advanced controls one can specify fonts sizes for many details of the DE

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-04 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 04:01, Camilo Mesias cam...@mesias.co.uk wrote: On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: The XP I occasionally can not avoid to use, in its system control menus has controls to switch between normal, big very big fonts and expert/advanced

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-04 Thread Kaleb S. KEITHLEY
On 10/04/2011 09:36 AM, Jason D. Clinton wrote: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 04:01, Camilo Mesiascam...@mesias.co.uk wrote: On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de wrote: The XP I occasionally can not avoid to use, in its system control menus has controls to switch

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2011-10-03 at 17:27 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 04:48:11PM +0100, Camilo Mesias wrote: Hi, A daft question perhaps, but I thought... I'm not sure how we can make DPI magically be correct in gazillions of broken displays' EDID. How do other

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-04 Thread Jon Masters
On Mon, 2011-10-03 at 12:56 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: More to the point, your DPI numbers would be per-output anyway, so there's no picking a single point size preference, the same size in pixels would be different sizes in millimeters on each output. In fairness, for my dual head setup I

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-03 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2011-09-30 at 11:00 +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: Hi, I'm working on bringing OLPC up-to-date with all the great efforts with GNOME 3, systemd, etc. On the OLPC XO laptops we have quite a strange screen - it is small (152mm x 114mm) but very high resolution (1200x900 i.e. 201 dots

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-03 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2011-09-30 at 16:09 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-09-30 at 15:47 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: There's nothing to do apart from waiting for enough complains to pile up the people in charge

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-03 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 17:34:45 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: I'm not sure how we can make DPI magically be correct in gazillions of broken displays' EDID. If not blacklisting then whitelisting them, you have the community. This is X.org's task, though. Regards, Jan -- devel mailing list

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-03 Thread Camilo Mesias
Hi, A daft question perhaps, but I thought... I'm not sure how we can make DPI magically be correct in gazillions of broken displays' EDID. How do other OS' do it? -Cam -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-03 Thread Michael Ekstrand
On 10/03/2011 10:48 AM, Camilo Mesias wrote: Hi, A daft question perhaps, but I thought... I'm not sure how we can make DPI magically be correct in gazillions of broken displays' EDID. How do other OS' do it? I don't know that they do. In my use of Windows up through XP, I never saw

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-03 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/03/2011 06:01 PM, Michael Ekstrand wrote: On 10/03/2011 10:48 AM, Camilo Mesias wrote: Hi, A daft question perhaps, but I thought... I'm not sure how we can make DPI magically be correct in gazillions of broken displays' EDID. How do other OS' do it? I don't know that they do. In

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-03 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 04:48:11PM +0100, Camilo Mesias wrote: Hi, A daft question perhaps, but I thought... I'm not sure how we can make DPI magically be correct in gazillions of broken displays' EDID. How do other OS' do it? Apple manage by virtue of most of their customers using

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-03 Thread Adam Jackson
On 10/3/11 11:43 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 17:34:45 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: I'm not sure how we can make DPI magically be correct in gazillions of broken displays' EDID. If not blacklisting then whitelisting them, you have the community. This is X.org's task,

GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-09-30 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi, I'm working on bringing OLPC up-to-date with all the great efforts with GNOME 3, systemd, etc. On the OLPC XO laptops we have quite a strange screen - it is small (152mm x 114mm) but very high resolution (1200x900 i.e. 201 dots per inch). Previously, on Fedora 14, we had to adjust the

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-09-30 Thread Felix Miata
On 2011/09/30 11:00 (GMT+0100) Daniel Drake composed: I'm working on bringing OLPC up-to-date with all the great efforts with GNOME 3, systemd, etc. On the OLPC XO laptops we have quite a strange screen - it is small (152mm x 114mm) but very high resolution (1200x900 i.e. 201 dots per

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-09-30 Thread Daniel Drake
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: Sounds to me like your F14 is using correct DPI while your F16 is forced to 96. Does your F14 have /etc/X11/xorg.conf file or a non-empty /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/? Bad DPI could certainly be a cause. However, xdpyinfo

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-09-30 Thread Felix Miata
On 2011/09/30 13:14 (GMT+0100) Daniel Drake composed: Felix Miata wrote: Sounds to me like your F14 is using correct DPI while your F16 is forced to 96. Does your F14 have /etc/X11/xorg.conf file or a non-empty /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/? Bad DPI could certainly be a cause. However,

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-09-30 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 30 septembre 2011 12:00, Daniel Drake a écrit : Can anyone help me understand this behaviour? rant There's nothing to understand – this is a new major GNOME release, with developers that know better than everyone else, and solve problems by ignoring past experience and hardcoding their

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-09-30 Thread Daniel Drake
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: Someone Gnome-side decided to not trust xorg dpi and added a new heuristic to 'correct' it I know this is part of a rant.. but any chance you could quantify that point with a link to a commit, blog post, mailing

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-09-30 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2011-09-30 at 15:47 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: There's nothing to do apart from waiting for enough complains to pile up the people in charge get past their reality denial phase. /rant This thread could have let to something constructive... but not so much anymore now, I guess.

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-09-30 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-09-30 at 15:47 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: There's nothing to do apart from waiting for enough complains to pile up the people in charge get past their reality denial phase. /rant This thread could

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-09-30 Thread Felix Miata
On 2011/09/30 11:09 (GMT-0400) Peter Robinson composed: can you provide an explanation of the changes and the rationale behind them? I think it's become clear over the past couple of years that the Gnome and KDE devs have decided they're controlling a playgound rather than software for

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-09-30 Thread Jos Vos
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:12:45PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: I think it's become clear over the past couple of years that the Gnome and KDE devs have decided they're controlling a playgound rather than software for users to be productive with, expecting those who don't like their silly

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-09-30 Thread Frank Murphy
On 30/09/11 17:12, Felix Miata wrote: On 2011/09/30 11:09 (GMT-0400) Peter Robinson composed: can you provide an explanation of the changes and the rationale behind them? I think it's become clear over the past couple of years that the Gnome and KDE devs have decided they're controlling a

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-09-30 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 02:59:58PM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: Someone Gnome-side decided to not trust xorg dpi and added a new heuristic to 'correct' it I know this is part of a rant.. but any chance

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-09-30 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl wrote: Or http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-settings-daemon/branches/gnome-2-24/plugins/xsettings/gsd-xsettings-manager.c?view=markup#249 (line 249)? I'm not sure that's relevant for the current codebase. But even so if you

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-09-30 Thread Daniel Drake
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Jef Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl wrote: Or http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-settings-daemon/branches/gnome-2-24/plugins/xsettings/gsd-xsettings-manager.c?view=markup#249 (line 249)?

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-09-30 Thread Daniel Drake
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: However, it now has a text scaling factor in gsettings that I was not aware of. So I guess I just need to find an appropriate factor that makes fonts look OK on the XO. One problem faced here is that (as noted earlier)

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-09-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Felix Miata wrote: I think it's become clear over the past couple of years that the Gnome and KDE devs have decided they're controlling a playgound rather than software for users to be productive with What does KDE have to do with this? KDE honors your screen's physical DPI by default. (It

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-09-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Daniel Drake wrote: Summary: GNOME hardcodes DPI to 96 regardless of X configuration. This is very broken. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-09-30 Thread Gregory Maxwell
rant On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Daniel Drake wrote: Summary: GNOME hardcodes DPI to 96 regardless of X configuration. This is very broken. Gnome: Reliving Window's horrible past, one emulated bug at a time. At least we can be thankful that