Re: Heads up: Mesa/LLVM rebase and OpenGTL retirement in F20

2014-04-16 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2014-03-27 at 16:02 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: If there are no serious objections I'll try to get this all into testing early next week. If you _do_ happen to be using OpenGTL for something in F20, now would be an excellent time for you to start working on porting it to current LLVM.

Re: Heads up: Mesa/LLVM rebase and OpenGTL retirement in F20

2014-03-29 Thread Kalev Lember
On 03/29/2014 02:39 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: By way of libGL linking LLVM, if some other library uses a private LLVM, and an application links both libGL and that library, it crashes due to symbol conflicts. Ah yes, that's an excellent point. Thanks Kevin! -- Kalev -- devel mailing list

Re: Heads up: Mesa/LLVM rebase and OpenGTL retirement in F20

2014-03-29 Thread Jens Petersen
Hi Adam, We'd like to update to Mesa 10.1 in Fedora 20, since the cycle is so long before F21 and (among other goodies) it enables OpenGL 3.3 on some newer Radeons. This implies rebasing LLVM 3.4, and that's where it gets a little awkward: the OpenGTL package only works up to LLVM

Re: Heads up: Mesa/LLVM rebase and OpenGTL retirement in F20

2014-03-28 Thread Sergio Pascual
Hi 2014-03-27 21:02 GMT+01:00 Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com: We'd like to update to Mesa 10.1 in Fedora 20, since the cycle is so long before F21 and (among other goodies) it enables OpenGL 3.3 on some newer Radeons. This implies rebasing LLVM 3.4, and that's where it gets a little awkward:

Re: Heads up: Mesa/LLVM rebase and OpenGTL retirement in F20

2014-03-28 Thread drago01
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:54 AM, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade paulo.cesar.pereira.de.andr...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-03-27 17:40 GMT-03:00 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com: On Thu, 2014-03-27 at 16:02 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: We'd like to update to Mesa 10.1 in Fedora 20, since the cycle

Re: Heads up: Mesa/LLVM rebase and OpenGTL retirement in F20

2014-03-28 Thread Corey Sheldon
While Heisenbereg isn't the newbie friendly distro that Mint or Ubuntu are but many new to Enterprise linux use this and that could seriously cause some bad blood type issues with end-users I'm also for at least getting the upstream approval for mid release modding if not FesCO Corey W Sheldon

Re: Heads up: Mesa/LLVM rebase and OpenGTL retirement in F20

2014-03-28 Thread Kalev Lember
On 03/28/2014 04:37 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: RHEL's Mesa at this point links against a private build of llvm that is explicitly _not_ part of The Platform, for exactly this reason: it's not something we can commit to supporting for any use beyond Mesa itself, even in the extreme short term.

Re: Heads up: Mesa/LLVM rebase and OpenGTL retirement in F20

2014-03-28 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2014-03-28 at 11:21 -0400, Corey Sheldon wrote: While Heisenbereg isn't the newbie friendly distro that Mint or Ubuntu are but many new to Enterprise linux use this and that could seriously cause some bad blood type issues with end-users I'm also for at least getting the upstream

Re: Heads up: Mesa/LLVM rebase and OpenGTL retirement in F20

2014-03-28 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2014-03-27 at 13:40 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Fedora *is* a platform, not just a set of packages, however half-assedly we conform to that vision, so I guess I just feel a bit uncomfortable not at least putting up a few hoops for this to jump through. :) OpenGTL here is something

Re: Heads up: Mesa/LLVM rebase and OpenGTL retirement in F20

2014-03-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Jackson (a...@redhat.com) said: On Fri, 2014-03-28 at 07:39 -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: +1 And yep, it should go to FESCo - this has much more bigger scope than 10.0.3 due to LLVM update. You know I'm more than ok with updates to Fn-1 but this one should be coordinated very

Re: Heads up: Mesa/LLVM rebase and OpenGTL retirement in F20

2014-03-28 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2014-03-28 at 07:39 -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: +1 And yep, it should go to FESCo - this has much more bigger scope than 10.0.3 due to LLVM update. You know I'm more than ok with updates to Fn-1 but this one should be coordinated very well. Can you (or anyone else) elaborate on

Re: Heads up: Mesa/LLVM rebase and OpenGTL retirement in F20

2014-03-28 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2014-03-28 at 11:38 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Adam Jackson (a...@redhat.com) said: Can you (or anyone else) elaborate on the issues you're concerned with here? If I'm going to have to play Simon Says about this I'd like some opportunity to address (or at least investigate)

Re: Heads up: Mesa/LLVM rebase and OpenGTL retirement in F20

2014-03-28 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2014-03-28 at 16:45 +0100, Kalev Lember wrote: On 03/28/2014 04:37 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: RHEL's Mesa at this point links against a private build of llvm that is explicitly _not_ part of The Platform, for exactly this reason: it's not something we can commit to supporting for any

Re: Heads up: Mesa/LLVM rebase and OpenGTL retirement in F20

2014-03-28 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2014-03-27 at 22:25 -0400, Jens Petersen wrote: Hi, We'd like to update to Mesa 10.1 in Fedora 20, since the cycle is so long before F21 and (among other goodies) it enables OpenGL 3.3 on some newer Radeons. This implies rebasing LLVM 3.4, and that's where it gets a little

Re: Heads up: Mesa/LLVM rebase and OpenGTL retirement in F20

2014-03-28 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 11:37:24AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: It might be nice if Fedora adopted the common practice (among other OSes with interface assurances) of at least attempting to define stability levels. Whose action item would that be? Agreed, and, FESCo. -- Matthew Miller--

Re: Heads up: Mesa/LLVM rebase and OpenGTL retirement in F20

2014-03-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 11:37:24AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: It might be nice if Fedora adopted the common practice (among other OSes with interface assurances) of at least attempting to define stability levels. Whose action item would that

Re: Heads up: Mesa/LLVM rebase and OpenGTL retirement in F20

2014-03-28 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kalev Lember wrote: This might be a good way forward for Fedora as well to avoid changing the system-wide llvm ABI mid release. No, most definitely not! Let me introduce you to our old friend, the symbol conflict. By way of libGL linking LLVM, if some other library uses a private LLVM, and

Heads up: Mesa/LLVM rebase and OpenGTL retirement in F20

2014-03-27 Thread Adam Jackson
We'd like to update to Mesa 10.1 in Fedora 20, since the cycle is so long before F21 and (among other goodies) it enables OpenGL 3.3 on some newer Radeons. This implies rebasing LLVM 3.4, and that's where it gets a little awkward: the OpenGTL package only works up to LLVM 3.3. However, OpenGTL

Re: Heads up: Mesa/LLVM rebase and OpenGTL retirement in F20

2014-03-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-03-27 at 16:02 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: We'd like to update to Mesa 10.1 in Fedora 20, since the cycle is so long before F21 and (among other goodies) it enables OpenGL 3.3 on some newer Radeons. This implies rebasing LLVM 3.4, and that's where it gets a little awkward: the

Re: Heads up: Mesa/LLVM rebase and OpenGTL retirement in F20

2014-03-27 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2014-03-27 17:40 GMT-03:00 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com: On Thu, 2014-03-27 at 16:02 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: We'd like to update to Mesa 10.1 in Fedora 20, since the cycle is so long before F21 and (among other goodies) it enables OpenGL 3.3 on some newer Radeons. This implies

Re: Heads up: Mesa/LLVM rebase and OpenGTL retirement in F20

2014-03-27 Thread Jens Petersen
Hi, We'd like to update to Mesa 10.1 in Fedora 20, since the cycle is so long before F21 and (among other goodies) it enables OpenGL 3.3 on some newer Radeons. This implies rebasing LLVM 3.4, and that's where it gets a little awkward: the OpenGTL package only works up to LLVM 3.3. One