On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote:
Dne 26.4.2011 18:23, Florian Festi napsal(a):
I think if anybody can come up with a exact description how they should
look like and how they should work and can create some evidence that
this is want we need and want
tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote:
The hard part is to define what the package tools should do in the
different cases
A depsolver need to work with real requirements, so it need to be defined
in what cases that a soft requirement will become a real requirements to
do the right thing
See my
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:47, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote:
The hard part is to define what the package tools should do in the
different cases
A depsolver need to work with real requirements, so it need to be defined
in what cases that a soft
Hi Matěj,
Ceterum autem censeo, Carthaginem esse delendam.
So this is Latin, what does it mean?
Btw, I'm from Tunisia (Tunis), the country of Carthage (historically) ;)
-Ilyes
On 26 avr. 2011, at 06:57, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote:
Dne 25.4.2011 21:26, Ilyes Gouta napsal(a):
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 08:11:20 +0100, IG wrote:
Hi Matěj,
Ceterum autem censeo, Carthaginem esse delendam.
So this is Latin, what does it mean?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carthago_delenda_est
Note that the translated meaning is less interesting than how this
phrase has been used.
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Dne 26.4.2011 09:11, Ilyes Gouta napsal(a):
Ceterum autem censeo, Carthaginem esse delendam.
So this is Latin, what does it mean?
Btw, I'm from Tunisia (Tunis), the country of Carthage (historically) ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carthago_delenda_est ... it is used for
somebody who is
Dne 26.4.2011 09:36, Richard W.M. Jones napsal(a):
A simple 'Recommends:package list', known about by RPM but
otherwise ignored by RPM, would allow tools that knew they were
talking to a real person to make a sensible list of recommendations
based on the packages the user already had installed
Daniel Mach wrote:
From my POV, RPM Requires should contain only deps which are *required*
for a particular package. Suggests/Recommends is really missing
AIUI, Suggests/Recommends was almost accepted in rpm.org (BTW, rpm5.org has
had it for ages), but the yum developers blocked it. :-/
IMHO
Dne 26.4.2011 15:31, Kevin Kofler napsal(a):
AIUI, Suggests/Recommends was almost accepted in rpm.org (BTW, rpm5.org has
had it for ages), but the yum developers blocked it. :-/
I have to defend Seth here ... in the last flamewar on this theme he
admitted that introducing Suggests/Recommends
On 04/26/2011 05:21 PM, Matej Cepl wrote:
Dne 26.4.2011 15:31, Kevin Kofler napsal(a):
AIUI, Suggests/Recommends was almost accepted in rpm.org (BTW, rpm5.org has
had it for ages), but the yum developers blocked it. :-/
Well, having Suggests/Recommends in RPM only does buy you anything as
RPM
Florian Festi wrote:
I think if anybody can come up with a exact description how they should
look like and how they should work and can create some evidence that
this is want we need and want implementing them is not the problem[*].
Until now no one has come up with a proposal and enough
On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 18:23 +0200, Florian Festi wrote:
I have to defend Seth here ... in the last flamewar on this theme he
admitted that introducing Suggests/Recommends would be question of half
an hour (maybe he didn't mean it literally) and he would be willing to
do it in the moment
On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 09:57 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 18:23 +0200, Florian Festi wrote:
I have to defend Seth here ... in the last flamewar on this theme he
admitted that introducing Suggests/Recommends would be question of half
an hour (maybe he didn't mean
On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 19:23 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Florian Festi wrote:
I think if anybody can come up with a exact description how they should
look like and how they should work and can create some evidence that
this is want we need and want implementing them is not the problem[*].
On 04/26/2011 11:25 PM, James Antill wrote:
SuSE with rpm+zypper does have recommends/suggests, and is somewhat
close to rpm+yum (kind of). But I don't know how much it is used ... and
I don't know what it's behaviour is. I also don't know what problems
they solve with it, and how well it
Dne 26.4.2011 18:23, Florian Festi napsal(a):
I think if anybody can come up with a exact description how they should
look like and how they should work and can create some evidence that
this is want we need and want implementing them is not the problem[*].
Until now no one has come up with a
On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 13:55 -0400, James Antill wrote:
rpm5 isn't used anywhere, so is irrelevant to any discussion on
anything.
Since Mandriva and Mageia split, Per Oyvind got to be Mandriva's RPM
maintainer, and they have (not surprisingly) adopted RPM5. Not to say I
think it's a good idea,
James Antill wrote:
rpm5 isn't used anywhere, so is irrelevant to any discussion on
anything.
It's used in PLD and Ark Linux, at least. (Ark Linux is Bernhard
Rosenkränzer's project, the ex-RH-KDE-maintainer who has just as much a
grudge against RH as RPM5's Jeff Johnson, so it's no wonder
On 04/26/2011 10:19 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
James Antill wrote:
There may well be plenty of good uses for such a soft dependency ..
For example it sounds useful for R which has a hard depend on texlive
at the moment - but its only used for docs - so it would be way way
better to be a soft
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:25:16AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 04/24/2011 11:54 PM, Ilyes Gouta wrote:
Hi,
I filed a bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=699263
-Ilyes
PackageKit isn't just a yum frontend and is likely to be integrated more
and more with key
On 04/25/2011 01:46 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
PackageKit frequently *breaks* the yum command line, because it has
some unkillable (self-resurrecting) process that acquires a lock and
prevents yum from running. It's a bug that we can't remove it.
You can edit the values in
Dne 25.4.2011 10:35, Rahul Sundaram napsal(a):
You can [...] remove PackageKit-yum-plugin.
Unfortunately not ... it takes away (among other things bluez,
control-center, gammu, gdm, gnome-bluetooth, orca, and gnome-shell).
Anybody any ideas how to get rid of it?
Best,
Matěj
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On 04/25/2011 04:35 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 04/25/2011 01:46 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
PackageKit frequently *breaks* the yum command line, because it has
some unkillable (self-resurrecting) process that acquires a lock and
prevents yum from running. It's a bug that we can't remove
Hi Matej,
Christoph Wickert provided an analysis in
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=699263
-Ilyes
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote:
Dne 25.4.2011 10:35, Rahul Sundaram napsal(a):
You can [...] remove PackageKit-yum-plugin.
Unfortunately not
Dne 25.4.2011 21:26, Ilyes Gouta napsal(a):
Christoph Wickert provided an analysis in
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=699263
Which again lead to my broken gramophone song … we suck for not having
Suggests/Recommends. Ceterum autem censeo, Carthaginem esse delendam.
Matěj
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Hi,
Removing PackageKit In Fedora 14 was easy and painless since it causes up to
5 packages, all *really* related to PackageKit in the form of a yum-plugin
and few other things.
On Fedora 15, trying to yum remove PackageKit causes the system to attempt
removing up to 74 MB worth of software,
Am 24.04.2011 20:04, schrieb Ilyes Gouta:
Hi,
Removing PackageKit In Fedora 14 was easy and painless since it causes up to
5 packages, all *really* related to
PackageKit in the form of a yum-plugin and few other things.
On Fedora 15, trying to yum remove PackageKit causes the system to
Hi,
I filed a bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=699263
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=699263-Ilyes
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.netwrote:
Am 24.04.2011 20:04, schrieb Ilyes Gouta:
Hi,
Removing PackageKit In Fedora 14 was
On 24 April 2011 19:24, Ilyes Gouta ilyes.go...@gmail.com wrote:
I filed a bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=699263
I've commented on this, and closed it NOTABUG. Sorry.
Richard
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On 04/24/2011 11:54 PM, Ilyes Gouta wrote:
Hi,
I filed a bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=699263
-Ilyes
PackageKit isn't just a yum frontend and is likely to be integrated more
and more with key components as we go forward. If you aren't actively
using the GNOME or KDE
On 04/25/2011 12:36 AM, Ilyes Gouta wrote:
Rahul,
If you aren't actively using the GNOME or KDE frontend, just remove
those and leave the
framework as it is.
That was tough :)
AFAIK (and I might be wrong) deep PacakgeKit integration wasn't
clearly mentioned in Fedora 15's feature set
Hi Rahul,
It isn't a feature that is driven by Fedora and hence it won't be in the
feature list. It is just what happens when more upstream software take
advantage of it over time..
Yes, NOW it's clear! Thanks Rahul!
-Ilyes
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