Re: Python libraries and backwards compat [was Re: What would it take to make Software Collections work in Fedora?]

2013-03-06 Thread Adam Williamson
On 04/03/13 02:51 PM, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Thu, 2012-12-06 at 07:06 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2012-12-06 at 15:30 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: IMHO use of software collections is a symptom of a badly run organisation not devoting enough cycles to maintain the software it

Re: Python libraries and backwards compat [was Re: What would it take to make Software Collections work in Fedora?]

2013-03-05 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Hi, I find it sad that people are still arguing for the developer-oriented I only care about making application Y as easy to maintain on a wide variety of platforms as possible, and dismiss sysadmin security concerns as too inconvenient to follow, at the very same time one of the biggest

Re: Python libraries and backwards compat [was Re: What would it take to make Software Collections work in Fedora?]

2013-03-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
I'll interject my thoughts here (speaking just for myself): I think software collections are a great thing for us to provide tooling for and make easy for our users/consumers to use. That said, I don't think Fedora as a distribution should ever ship any of them. The tools/framework/etc, great.

Re: Python libraries and backwards compat [was Re: What would it take to make Software Collections work in Fedora?]

2013-03-05 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2013-03-04 at 22:51 +, Mark McLoughlin wrote: (following up with more thoughts from the distutils-sig thread) It started here: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/distutils-sig/2013-February/020030.html and now we're talking about Software Collections here:

Python libraries and backwards compat [was Re: What would it take to make Software Collections work in Fedora?]

2013-03-04 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2012-12-06 at 07:06 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2012-12-06 at 15:30 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: IMHO use of software collections is a symptom of a badly run organisation not devoting enough cycles to maintain the software it uses, and hoping (as in wishful thinking) no

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2013-03-04 Thread Mark McLoughlin
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Re: Python libraries and backwards compat [was Re: What would it take to make Software Collections work in Fedora?]

2013-03-04 Thread Bohuslav Kabrda
- Original Message - On Thu, 2012-12-06 at 07:06 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2012-12-06 at 15:30 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: IMHO use of software collections is a symptom of a badly run organisation not devoting enough cycles to maintain the software it uses, and