Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-04-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:08 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Mon, 2020-04-06 at 23:56 +, Tom Seewald wrote: > > Yep, I just ran "dnf info kernel" and then right after that "dnf > > changelog kernel", in both cases dnf spent over 20 seconds syncing. > > I haven't seen other package managers

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-04-06 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2020-04-06 at 23:56 +, Tom Seewald wrote: > Yep, I just ran "dnf info kernel" and then right after that "dnf > changelog kernel", in both cases dnf spent over 20 seconds syncing. > I haven't seen other package managers require this much network > traffic, and I wonder if a lot of it

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-04-06 Thread Tom Seewald
Yep, I just ran "dnf info kernel" and then right after that "dnf changelog kernel", in both cases dnf spent over 20 seconds syncing. I haven't seen other package managers require this much network traffic, and I wonder if a lot of it could be avoided.

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:23 PM Pat Riehecky wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 9:48 AM Robbie Harwood wrote: > > > > Daniel Mach writes: > > > > > Dne 12. 03. 20 v 19:26 Pat Riehecky napsal(a): > > > > > >> I realize I'm thinking about the Pie in the Sky, but: > > >> > > >> Would it be

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-13 Thread Pat Riehecky
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 9:48 AM Robbie Harwood wrote: > > Daniel Mach writes: > > > Dne 12. 03. 20 v 19:26 Pat Riehecky napsal(a): > > > >> I realize I'm thinking about the Pie in the Sky, but: > >> > >> Would it be possible for 'microdnf' to become the base for 'dnf' so > >> that extra 'dnf'

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-13 Thread Robbie Harwood
Daniel Mach writes: > Dne 12. 03. 20 v 19:26 Pat Riehecky napsal(a): > >> I realize I'm thinking about the Pie in the Sky, but: >> >> Would it be possible for 'microdnf' to become the base for 'dnf' so >> that extra 'dnf' functionality is added via some kind of >> modules/plugins/etc behaviour?

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-13 Thread Daniel Mach
Dne 12. 03. 20 v 19:26 Pat Riehecky napsal(a): I realize I'm thinking about the Pie in the Sky, but: Would it be possible for 'microdnf' to become the base for 'dnf' so that extra 'dnf' functionality is added via some kind of modules/plugins/etc behaviour? Perhaps "somehow" it could (for

RE: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-12 Thread Pat Riehecky
I realize I'm thinking about the Pie in the Sky, but: Would it be possible for 'microdnf' to become the base for 'dnf' so that extra 'dnf' functionality is added via some kind of modules/plugins/etc behaviour? Perhaps "somehow" it could (for example) find out "oh I've got python, lets load those

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-12 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 08:22:48AM +0100, Daniel Mach wrote: > > > Dne 12. 03. 20 v 6:21 Chris Murphy napsal(a): > >On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:30 AM Daniel Mach wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>Dne 04. 03. 20 v 23:01 Neal Gompa napsal(a): > >>>On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:37 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek >

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-12 Thread Daniel Mach
Dne 12. 03. 20 v 6:21 Chris Murphy napsal(a): On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:30 AM Daniel Mach wrote: Dne 04. 03. 20 v 23:01 Neal Gompa napsal(a): On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:37 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: Are you going to use sd-bus for the dbus library? I'd hope not, given that

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-11 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:30 AM Daniel Mach wrote: > > > > Dne 04. 03. 20 v 23:01 Neal Gompa napsal(a): > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:37 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > >> Are you going to use sd-bus for the dbus library? > >> > > > > I'd hope not, given that we have cross-distro usage

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-07 Thread Peter Robinson
> > Hello everyone, > > I'm pleased to announce start of DNF 5 development. We are planning to > > deliver a module stream or a COPR repo during Fedora 33 development for > > early adopters and tool developers and we're hoping in getting a stable > > version into Fedora 34. > > > > Can it be: >

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-06 Thread Robert-André Mauchin
On Wednesday, 4 March 2020 19:03:01 CET Daniel Mach wrote: > Hello everyone, > I'm pleased to announce start of DNF 5 development. We are planning to > deliver a module stream or a COPR repo during Fedora 33 development for > early adopters and tool developers and we're hoping in getting a

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-06 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 10:06 AM Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 11:42, Marcin Juszkiewicz > wrote: >> I have never understood a need for per-user copy of repo metadata. > > > I am remembering that attempts to do this with either yum or dnf did not go > over well with the

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-06 Thread Przemek Klosowski via devel
On 3/5/20 2:08 PM, Daniel Mach wrote: I hope that someday we'll get microdnf close to 100% feature parity with DNF (Python plugins excluding obviously) Great plan, but when it happens, could it also get a simple IPC to talk to the optional Python plugins, and thus replace dnf entirely? What is

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-06 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 11:42, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > W dniu 06.03.2020 o 02:57, Neal Gompa pisze: > > The database has been synchronized since Fedora 24. However, the > > caches are not, and that *does* need to be fixed. > > And when user calls dnf let it use system cache by default... > > >

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-06 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
W dniu 06.03.2020 o 02:57, Neal Gompa pisze: > The database has been synchronized since Fedora 24. However, the > caches are not, and that *does* need to be fixed. And when user calls dnf let it use system cache by default... 17:38 (0s) hrw@puchatek:~$ time sudo dnf info nano [ fetching all

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-06 Thread José Abílio Matos
On Thursday, 5 March 2020 21.11.37 WET Adam Williamson wrote: > I mean, it shouldn't be too hard to standardize on having them all work > both ways, even. I agree with Adam. What would be the drawback from this change? It is backwards compatible (an important issue in this context). And there

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-06 Thread Paul Howarth
On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 20:08:17 +0100 Daniel Mach wrote: > Dne 05. 03. 20 v 13:02 Marcin Juszkiewicz napsal(a): > > W dniu 04.03.2020 o 19:03, Daniel Mach pisze: > > Are there plans for picodnf then? Or cutting amount of > > libraries used by microdnf? > > I don't think we can drop more without

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-06 Thread Richard Hughes
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 01:59, Neal Gompa wrote: > caches are not, and that *does* need to be fixed. The library > interface for DNF already has APIs for this, PackageKit doesn't use > them. I'm 100% okay with a pull request to fix this, as long as the same cache promises are met, i.e. PackageKit

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:51 PM Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > > We've managed to drop a lot of redundant code across the whole DNF stack > > in the past years, but we have reached a point when it's nearly > > impossible to consolidate the code any further without breaking the > > API/ABI.

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
> We've managed to drop a lot of redundant code across the whole DNF stack > in the past years, but we have reached a point when it's nearly > impossible to consolidate the code any further without breaking the > API/ABI. Especially with PackageKit being dead[1], we can't move with > the old

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2020-03-05 at 18:38 +, J. Randall Owens wrote: > On 04/03/2020 18:03, Daniel Mach wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I'm pleased to announce start of DNF 5 development. We are planning to > > deliver a module stream or a COPR repo during Fedora 33 development for > > early adopters and

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2020-03-05 at 14:08 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > > > (OK, it's a single library with other parts included, but the sd-bus > > > part is the biggest by far, and also sd-bus uses sd-event and sd-128 > > > internally, so they'd be required anyway. The other parts are

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Daniel Mach
Dne 05. 03. 20 v 19:38 J. Randall Owens napsal(a): On 04/03/2020 18:03, Daniel Mach wrote: Hello everyone, I'm pleased to announce start of DNF 5 development. We are planning to deliver a module stream or a COPR repo during Fedora 33 development for early adopters and tool developers and

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Daniel Mach
Dne 05. 03. 20 v 13:02 Marcin Juszkiewicz napsal(a): W dniu 04.03.2020 o 19:03, Daniel Mach pisze: Hello everyone, I'm pleased to announce start of DNF 5 development. microdnf > Microdnf is becoming important because it's part of many containers due to its small footprint.

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Michael Catanzaro
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Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread J. Randall Owens
On 04/03/2020 18:03, Daniel Mach wrote: > Hello everyone, > I'm pleased to announce start of DNF 5 development. We are planning to > deliver a module stream or a COPR repo during Fedora 33 development for > early adopters and tool developers and we're hoping in getting a stable > version into

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:09 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 09:02:47AM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:00 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 02:29:38PM +0100, Daniel Mach wrote: > > > > > > > > > >

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 09:02:47AM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:00 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > > On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 02:29:38PM +0100, Daniel Mach wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dne 04. 03. 20 v 23:01 Neal Gompa napsal(a): > > > >On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:37

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:02 AM Josh Boyer wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:35 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:29 AM Daniel Mach wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dne 04. 03. 20 v 23:01 Neal Gompa napsal(a): > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:37 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:00 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 02:29:38PM +0100, Daniel Mach wrote: > > > > > > Dne 04. 03. 20 v 23:01 Neal Gompa napsal(a): > > >On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:37 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > > wrote: > > >>Are you going to use

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:35 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:29 AM Daniel Mach wrote: > > > > > > > > Dne 04. 03. 20 v 23:01 Neal Gompa napsal(a): > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:37 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > > wrote: > > >> Are you going to use sd-bus for the dbus

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 02:29:38PM +0100, Daniel Mach wrote: > > > Dne 04. 03. 20 v 23:01 Neal Gompa napsal(a): > >On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:37 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > >>Are you going to use sd-bus for the dbus library? > >> > > > >I'd hope not, given that we have cross-distro

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:29 AM Daniel Mach wrote: > > > > Dne 04. 03. 20 v 23:01 Neal Gompa napsal(a): > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:37 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > >> Are you going to use sd-bus for the dbus library? > >> > > > > I'd hope not, given that we have cross-distro usage

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Daniel Mach
Dne 04. 03. 20 v 23:01 Neal Gompa napsal(a): On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:37 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: Are you going to use sd-bus for the dbus library? I'd hope not, given that we have cross-distro usage of DNF now, and a couple of them don't have systemd. Do you know which

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 7:06 AM Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > > W dniu 04.03.2020 o 19:03, Daniel Mach pisze: > > Hello everyone, I'm pleased to announce start of DNF 5 development. > > > microdnf > > Microdnf is becoming important because it's part of > > many containers due to its small

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
W dniu 04.03.2020 o 19:03, Daniel Mach pisze: > Hello everyone, I'm pleased to announce start of DNF 5 development. > microdnf > Microdnf is becoming important because it's part of > many containers due to its small footprint. [root@puchatek hrw]# ldd /bin/microdnf |wc -l 70

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Neal Gompa
ge - > > From: "Neal Gompa" > > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:01:43 PM > > Subject: Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:37 PM Zbigniew

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Martin Kolman
> From: "Neal Gompa" > > > > > > > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:01:43 PM > > > > > > > Subject: R

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Martin Kolman
Original Message - > > > > > > > > > From: "Neal Gompa" > > > > > > > > > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, Marc

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kamil Paral wrote: > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 7:04 PM Daniel Mach wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> I'm pleased to announce start of DNF 5 development. We are planning to >> deliver a module stream or a COPR repo during Fedora 33 development for >> early adopters and tool developers and we're hoping

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Fabio Valentini
ted to Fedora" < > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:01:43 PM > > Subject: Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:37 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > > > > >

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-04 Thread jkonecny
ed to Fedora" < > > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:01:43 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-04 Thread jkonecny
On Wed, 2020-03-04 at 18:55 -0500, Martin Kolman wrote: > > - Original Message - > > From: "Neal Gompa" > > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" < > > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 202

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-04 Thread Daniel Mach
Dne 04. 03. 20 v 22:34 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek napsal(a): On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 07:03:01PM +0100, Daniel Mach wrote: Hello everyone, I'm pleased to announce start of DNF 5 development. We are planning to deliver a module stream or a COPR repo during Fedora 33 development for early

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-04 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 00:55 Martin Kolman wrote: > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Neal Gompa" > > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" < > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:01:43 P

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-04 Thread Martin Kolman
- Original Message - > From: "Neal Gompa" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:01:43 PM > Subject: Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:37 PM Zbigniew Jędrzej

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-04 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:37 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 07:03:01PM +0100, Daniel Mach wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I'm pleased to announce start of DNF 5 development. We are planning > > to deliver a module stream or a COPR repo during Fedora 33 > >

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-04 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 07:03:01PM +0100, Daniel Mach wrote: > Hello everyone, > I'm pleased to announce start of DNF 5 development. We are planning > to deliver a module stream or a COPR repo during Fedora 33 > development for early adopters and tool developers and we're hoping > in getting a

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-04 Thread Kamil Paral
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 7:04 PM Daniel Mach wrote: > Hello everyone, > I'm pleased to announce start of DNF 5 development. We are planning to > deliver a module stream or a COPR repo during Fedora 33 development for > early adopters and tool developers and we're hoping in getting a stable >