Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2017-08-07 at 15:08 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Adam Williamson > wrote: > > On Mon, 2017-08-07 at 14:46 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Przemek Klosowski > > >

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-07 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2017-08-07 at 14:46 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Przemek Klosowski >> wrote: >> > The release notes for RHEL 7.4 announce that RedHat gave up

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-07 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > Well, no, you're getting cause and effect mixed up, there. RH doesn't > have btrfs developers on staff *because* RH, over time, has broadly > come to the conclusion that btrfs isn't the storage tech it wants to

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2017-08-07 at 14:46 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Przemek Klosowski > wrote: > > The release notes for RHEL 7.4 announce that RedHat gave up on btrfs: > > > >

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-07 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > The release notes for RHEL 7.4 announce that RedHat gave up on btrfs: > >

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-05 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > > That's all fine and good but features mean nothing if you don't have > faith > > in the underlying filesystem. > > People have been burnt by Btrfs

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: >> >> >> There are plenty of "clever" kernel modules that do bits and pieces of >> what Btrfs offers. >> >> ...there you can leverage all the benefits of

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-05 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > There are plenty of "clever" kernel modules that do bits and pieces of > what Btrfs offers. ...there you can leverage all the benefits of Btrfs. > > That's all fine and good but features mean nothing if you don't have

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-05 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sat, Aug 05, 2017 at 12:58:15PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 06:00:58PM +0200, František Zatloukal wrote: > >> Some insight why was BTRFS dropped by RH: > >>

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 06:00:58PM +0200, František Zatloukal wrote: >> Some insight why was BTRFS dropped by RH: >> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14907771 >> >> Also check out Stratis: >>

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-05 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 06:00:58PM +0200, František Zatloukal wrote: > Some insight why was BTRFS dropped by RH: > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14907771 > > Also check out Stratis: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StratisStorage Stratis is a management tool that makes it a bit

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-04 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 06:43:51PM +0200, David Sommerseth wrote: >> On 04/08/17 18:06, Neal Gompa wrote: >> > On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Fernando Nasser >> > wrote: >> >> On 2017-08-04 11:12

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-04 Thread Mauricio Tavares
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > I'm not particularly pleased with their decision. I think the path > they're going down is wrong, and they should really reconsider. > However, I'm reading over their Stratis whitepaper before I formulate > a response

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-04 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 06:43:51PM +0200, David Sommerseth wrote: > On 04/08/17 18:06, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Fernando Nasser wrote: > >> On 2017-08-04 11:12 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > >> > >> The release notes for RHEL 7.4 announce that

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-04 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 4 August 2017 at 16:46, Solomon Peachy wrote: > > ...it fails the most basic requirement of a filesystem -- to not > > eat data. > > Me also; I've tried btfs three times now -- in one case

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-04 Thread Richard Hughes
On 4 August 2017 at 16:46, Solomon Peachy wrote: > ...it fails the most basic requirement of a filesystem -- to not > eat data. Me also; I've tried btfs three times now -- in one case telling me I had no free space after a few weeks when clearly there was tens GBs free, one

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-04 Thread David Sommerseth
On 04/08/17 18:06, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Fernando Nasser wrote: >> On 2017-08-04 11:12 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: >> >> The release notes for RHEL 7.4 announce that RedHat gave up on btrfs: >> >> >> Is it only RHEL? >> >> What are other distros

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-04 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Fernando Nasser wrote: > On 2017-08-04 11:12 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > > The release notes for RHEL 7.4 announce that RedHat gave up on btrfs: > > > Is it only RHEL? > > What are other distros doing? > It is only RHEL, but unfortunately

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-04 Thread František Zatloukal
Some insight why was BTRFS dropped by RH: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14907771 Also check out Stratis: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StratisStorage 2017-08-04 17:12 GMT+02:00 Przemek Klosowski : > The release notes for RHEL 7.4 announce that RedHat

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-04 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > The release notes for RHEL 7.4 announce that RedHat gave up on btrfs: > >

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-04 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > The release notes for RHEL 7.4 announce that RedHat gave up on btrfs: > >

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-04 Thread Solomon Peachy
On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 11:12:46AM -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > This is a pity---BTRFS features looked attractive: Regardless of the attractiveness of btr's feature sets, the RH annoucnement is an indication that they don't consider it supportable for the kinds of users that fork over

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-04 Thread Steven Whitehouse
On 04/08/17 16:23, Fernando Nasser wrote: On 2017-08-04 11:12 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: The release notes for RHEL 7.4 announce that RedHat gave up on btrfs: Is it only RHEL? Yes, it is only RHEL. It does not have any effect on Fedora, that is entirely independent, Steve.

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-04 Thread Fernando Nasser
On 2017-08-04 11:12 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: The release notes for RHEL 7.4 announce that RedHat gave up on btrfs: Is it only RHEL? What are other distros doing?