Re: Eclipse IDE packages and friends orphaned

2021-08-18 Thread Sérgio Basto
we are talking about it here  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1964630#c27 On Wed, 2021-08-18 at 17:20 +0200, Iago Rubio wrote: > I guess this is a bug but on > https://packager-dashboard.fedoraproject.org/user/orphan there are > "important" - or at least very used - packages affected

Re: Eclipse IDE packages and friends orphaned

2021-08-18 Thread Iago Rubio
I guess this is a bug but on https://packager-dashboard.fedoraproject.org/user/orphan there are "important" - or at least very used - packages affected by this: java-1.8.0-openjdk depends on orphaned packages problematic since Aug 11 2021, 10:23:06 UTC will have trouble on Sep 22 2021,

Re: Eclipse IDE packages and friends orphaned

2021-08-18 Thread Mat Booth
On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 at 14:15, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > > > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 2:08 PM Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: >> >> >> > [...] Eclipse tries to keep up to date with libraries shipped. Quite >> > often the effort of moving to new versions of a library (e.g. lucene) >> > requires

Re: Eclipse IDE packages and friends orphaned

2021-08-18 Thread Mat Booth
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 at 09:58, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 18/08/2021 01:32, Mat Booth wrote: > > Not within the constraints of Fedora's packaging rules. > > Bundling is allowed by Fedora's packaging guidelines. > Binaries not built from source are not allowed:

Re: Eclipse IDE packages and friends orphaned

2021-08-18 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 18/08/2021 01:32, Mat Booth wrote: Not within the constraints of Fedora's packaging rules. Bundling is allowed by Fedora's packaging guidelines. -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org) ___ devel mailing list --

Re: Eclipse IDE packages and friends orphaned

2021-08-17 Thread Mat Booth
On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 at 13:33, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 17/08/2021 11:51, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > > Eclipse Flatpak is maintained and updated shortly after upstream Eclipse > > release by the very same people so for now it's the best integration > > achievable with given

Re: Eclipse IDE packages and friends orphaned

2021-08-17 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 2:08 PM Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > > > [...] Eclipse tries to keep up to date with libraries shipped. Quite > > often the effort of moving to new versions of a library (e.g. lucene) > > requires changes in Eclipse itself > > Is this level of backward non-compatibility

Re: Eclipse IDE packages and friends orphaned

2021-08-17 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 17/08/2021 11:51, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: Eclipse Flatpak is maintained and updated shortly after upstream Eclipse release by the very same people so for now it's the best integration achievable with given manpower. Is it possible to bundle all dependencies into an Eclipse's RPM

Re: Eclipse IDE packages and friends orphaned

2021-08-17 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
> [...] Eclipse tries to keep up to date with libraries shipped. Quite > often the effort of moving to new versions of a library (e.g. lucene) > requires changes in Eclipse itself Is this level of backward non-compatibility typical in Java? > and Fedora being ahead/behind with versions puts

Re: Eclipse IDE packages and friends orphaned

2021-08-17 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 11:39 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On 17/08/2021 10:14, Mat Booth wrote: > > Flatpak system is way less overhead for packagers and ISVs. There > > should be no surprise at all that maintainers of large applications > > prefer to

Re: Eclipse IDE packages and friends orphaned

2021-08-17 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 17/08/2021 10:14, Mat Booth wrote: Flatpak system is way less overhead for packagers and ISVs. There should be no surprise at all that maintainers of large applications prefer to distribute via Flatpak. Because they bundle everything inside the Flatpak. I don't like that, because most of

Re: Eclipse IDE packages and friends orphaned

2021-08-17 Thread Mat Booth
On Wed, 11 Aug 2021 at 13:20, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 11/08/2021 12:35, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > > Eclipse IDE and its ancillary packages are orphaned now. As a result the > > Eclipse IDE will no longer be installable as a package in Fedora 35. > > > Red Hat Eclipse Team > >

Re: Eclipse IDE packages and friends orphaned

2021-08-14 Thread Markku Korkeala
On 8/11/21 1:35 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: *snip* > *List of packages orphaned (all were maintained for the sake of Eclipse > stack):* > * eclipse > * cbi-plugins > * eclipse-ecf > * eclipse-egit > * eclipse-emf > * eclipse-gef > * eclipse-jgit > * eclipse-license > * eclipse-m2e-core > *

Re: Eclipse IDE packages and friends orphaned

2021-08-11 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 9:45 PM Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > Aleksandar Kurtakov writes: > > > List of packages orphaned (all were maintained for the sake of Eclipse > > stack): > > * eclipse > > [...] > > Could upstream eclipse make an effort to reduce its dependency > footprint? > Everything is

Re: Eclipse IDE packages and friends orphaned

2021-08-11 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
Aleksandar Kurtakov writes: > List of packages orphaned (all were maintained for the sake of Eclipse > stack): > * eclipse > [...] Could upstream eclipse make an effort to reduce its dependency footprint? - FChE ___ devel mailing list --

Re: Eclipse IDE packages and friends orphaned

2021-08-11 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 3:20 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On 11/08/2021 12:35, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > > Eclipse IDE and its ancillary packages are orphaned now. As a result the > > Eclipse IDE will no longer be installable as a package in Fedora 35.

Re: Eclipse IDE packages and friends orphaned

2021-08-11 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 11/08/2021 12:35, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: Eclipse IDE and its ancillary packages are orphaned now. As a result the Eclipse IDE will no longer be installable as a package in Fedora 35. Red Hat Eclipse Team Even Red Hat employees can't handle the Java Stack on Fedora. This is so sad.