On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 12:26:11PM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote:
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Dne 3.12.2014 v 08:47 Michel Alexandre Salim napsal(a):
At the risk of jumping in, here's my own 2 cents on the subject...
On 12/03/2014 12:30 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On 01/12/14 12:26, Alec Leamas wrote:
While we're on it (in the form how many devs do we have): How
hard/impossible/unsuitable would it be to get a usable estimate on the #
of users, per package?
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Some 50 messages later... and stopping by Ben's question about which are
the questions we
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Dne 3.12.2014 v 08:47 Michel Alexandre Salim napsal(a):
At the risk of jumping in, here's my own 2 cents on the subject...
On 12/03/2014 12:30 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On 2 December 2014 at 09:15, jfm...@free.fr mailto:jfm...@free.fr
On 02/12/14 18:12, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On 2 December 2014 at 09:22, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org
mailto:mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 05:15:38PM +0100, jfm...@free.fr
mailto:jfm...@free.fr wrote:
Now it seems Fedora's downloads
On 02/12/14 03:46, Ben Cotton wrote:
That's not to say that there aren't useful questions that could be
answered, but so far they haven't been asked. I think if you start
with the right question, it will be easier to find a route to the
answer.
Hm... and backtracking this another step, an
On 1 December 2014 at 20:55, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 December 2014 at 05:05, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 01.12.2014 um 12:57 schrieb Pierre-Yves Chibon:
So we come back to the question: is any number better than no number at
all?
Even to get a
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On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Matthew Miller
mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Okay, this seems like a good start. What _are_ the right questions?
Oof, I walked right into this. :-)
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Alec Leamas leamas.a...@gmail.com wrote:
Hm... and backtracking this another
On Mon, 2014-12-01 at 23:21 +0100, Alec Leamas wrote:
PS Nose-wiping? Sometimes it's hard not being a native speaker... DS
It's not an idiom, I meant it literally: that something as innocent as
wiping your runny nose because you have a cold would be cause for
controversy.
No idea what Matthew
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 09:42:24AM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote:
Knowing people use what your make is a very powerful motivator.
So, a revised/enhanced/even worse set of questions:
- How many users have installed product X/spin Y?
- How many users have installed package X?
- How many users
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 10:06:04AM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote:
No idea what Matthew meant by improve that last part in that respect
though. Possibly he's offering to make some chicken soup? (Which, in
case that doesn't translate, is a traditional folk remedy for a cold.)
Sure, chicken soup
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 05:15:38PM +0100, jfm...@free.fr wrote:
Now it seems Fedora's downloads have been steadily going downwards
and it is highly improbable that is due to a spectacular increase of
number of people setting local mirrors.
Smooge is working on some updated statistics, and from
that is it will be like applying a
plaster on a
wooden leg.
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Envoyé: Mardi 2 Décembre 2014 13:19:02
Objet: Re: How many users does Fedora have?
On 1 December 2014 at 20:55
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 17:15:38 +0100,
jfm...@free.fr wrote:
2) It has an uninspiring installer.
In that it doesn't advertise enough features? (I remember seeing promos
for joining Fedora as a contributor and Rythmbox when doing some repeated
installs over the Thanksgiving weekend. But
On 02/12/14 16:45, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 09:42:24AM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote:
So, a revised/enhanced/even worse set of questions:
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Some of those questions go too far imo and expose too much about the
individual machines and users.
While I think
On 2 December 2014 at 09:15, jfm...@free.fr wrote:
Fedora has a number of problems
1) It hasn't managed inspire the same kind of fanaticism Debian has. When
in Debian something
is broken,
downright dangerous (eg signed packages came much later ) or just s..cks
it is
not a bug it is a
On 2 December 2014 at 09:22, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org
wrote:
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 05:15:38PM +0100, jfm...@free.fr wrote:
Now it seems Fedora's downloads have been steadily going downwards
and it is highly improbable that is due to a spectacular increase of
number of
On 2 December 2014 at 10:29, Alec Leamas leamas.a...@gmail.com wrote:
On 02/12/14 16:45, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 09:42:24AM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote:
So, a revised/enhanced/even worse set of questions:
[cut]
Some of those questions go too far imo and
On Tue, 2014-12-02 at 11:12 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On 2 December 2014 at 09:22, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org
wrote:
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 05:15:38PM +0100, jfm...@free.fr
wrote:
Now it seems Fedora's downloads have been steadily going
On 2 December 2014 at 11:27, Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2014-12-02 at 11:12 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On 2 December 2014 at 09:22, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org
wrote:
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 05:15:38PM +0100, jfm...@free.fr
wrote:
On 2 December 2014 at 11:27, Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2014-12-02 at 11:12 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On 2 December 2014 at 09:22, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org
wrote:
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 05:15:38PM +0100, jfm...@free.fr
wrote:
At the risk of jumping in, here's my own 2 cents on the subject...
On 12/03/2014 12:30 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On 2 December 2014 at 09:15, jfm...@free.fr mailto:jfm...@free.fr wrote:
2) It has an uninspiring installer.
Ok I need more information on what this means in
Am 01.12.2014 um 12:26 schrieb Alec Leamas:
While we're on it (in the form how many devs do we have): How
hard/impossible/unsuitable would it be to get a usable estimate on the #
of users, per package?
Here are so many problems, technical, policy, resources, (others?). That
said, feedback in
On 01/12/14 12:29, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 01.12.2014 um 12:26 schrieb Alec Leamas:
Lets face it: I envy those who can measure the usage from a download
counter or so. Can we have something similar?
no - you have no clue which mirror was used without explicit tracking in
YUM/DNF and given
Am 01.12.2014 um 12:36 schrieb Alec Leamas:
On 01/12/14 12:29, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 01.12.2014 um 12:26 schrieb Alec Leamas:
Lets face it: I envy those who can measure the usage from a download
counter or so. Can we have something similar?
no - you have no clue which mirror was used
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 12:38:24PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 01.12.2014 um 12:36 schrieb Alec Leamas:
On 01/12/14 12:29, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 01.12.2014 um 12:26 schrieb Alec Leamas:
Lets face it: I envy those who can measure the usage from a download
counter or so. Can we have
Am 01.12.2014 um 12:57 schrieb Pierre-Yves Chibon:
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 12:38:24PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 01.12.2014 um 12:36 schrieb Alec Leamas:
On 01/12/14 12:29, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 01.12.2014 um 12:26 schrieb Alec Leamas:
Lets face it: I envy those who can measure the
On 01/12/14 12:57, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 12:38:24PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 01.12.2014 um 12:36 schrieb Alec Leamas:
On 01/12/14 12:29, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 01.12.2014 um 12:26 schrieb Alec Leamas:
Lets face it: I envy those who can measure the usage
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 01:05:46PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 01.12.2014 um 12:57 schrieb Pierre-Yves Chibon:
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 12:38:24PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 01.12.2014 um 12:36 schrieb Alec Leamas:
On 01/12/14 12:29, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 01.12.2014 um 12:26
On 01/12/14 13:10, Alec Leamas wrote:
So we come back to the question: is any number better than no number
at all?
Even to get a trend?
Yes, I think so. Even a bad number can be used for trends and comparisons.
That said, let's not limit this discussion to the download counter
concept.
On 1. 12. 2014 at 12:26:07, Alec Leamas wrote:
While we're on it (in the form how many devs do we have): How
hard/impossible/unsuitable would it be to get a usable estimate on the #
of users, per package?
Here are so many problems, technical, policy, resources, (others?). That
said,
On 12/01/2014 01:10 PM, Alec Leamas wrote:
That said, let's not limit this discussion to the download counter
concept. There are other approaches, perhaps some kind of reporting app
which send reports on installed sw to a central server, like the abrt
thing. Or something else, which I cannot
That said, let's not limit this discussion to the download counter
concept. There are other approaches, perhaps some kind of reporting app
which send reports on installed sw to a central server, like the abrt
thing. Or something else, which I cannot imagine.
Well, if you target end users with
On 01/12/14 14:34, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 12/01/2014 01:10 PM, Alec Leamas wrote:
That said, let's not limit this discussion to the download counter
concept. There are other approaches, perhaps some kind of reporting app
which send reports on installed sw to a central server, like the abrt
On 01/12/14 15:20, Jan Zelený wrote:
On 1. 12. 2014 at 14:40:44, Alec Leamas wrote:
On 01/12/14 13:56, Jan Zelený wrote:
On 1. 12. 2014 at 12:26:07, Alec Leamas wrote:
While we're on it (in the form how many devs do we have): How
hard/impossible/unsuitable would it be to get a usable estimate
On 1 December 2014 at 05:37, Matthias Runge mru...@matthias-runge.de
wrote:
On 01/12/14 13:10, Alec Leamas wrote:
So we come back to the question: is any number better than no number
at all?
Even to get a trend?
Yes, I think so. Even a bad number can be used for trends and
On 1 December 2014 at 05:05, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 01.12.2014 um 12:57 schrieb Pierre-Yves Chibon:
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 12:38:24PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 01.12.2014 um 12:36 schrieb Alec Leamas:
On 01/12/14 12:29, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 01.12.2014
On Mon, 2014-12-01 at 14:34 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
We've had something of this kind many years go. It was called smolt and
had proven to be worthless and the origin of heated controversials.
smolt did hardware stats, not software. It proved to be useless
merely because it was badly
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote:
On Mon, 2014-12-01 at 14:34 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
We've had something of this kind many years go. It was called smolt and
had proven to be worthless and the origin of heated controversials.
smolt did hardware stats,
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 04:07:45PM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote:
good, it would have been very useful indeed. And it was controversial
because you can't wipe your nose on fedora-devel without someone
accusing you of a conspiracy to destroy Linux.
We're actively working to improve that last
On 01/12/14 22:45, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 04:07:45PM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote:
good, it would have been very useful indeed. And it was controversial
because you can't wipe your nose on fedora-devel without someone
accusing you of a conspiracy to destroy Linux.
We're
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 12:57:47PM +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 12:38:24PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 01.12.2014 um 12:36 schrieb Alec Leamas:
On 01/12/14 12:29, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 01.12.2014 um 12:26 schrieb Alec Leamas:
Lets face it: I envy
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 6:36 AM, Alec Leamas leamas.a...@gmail.com wrote:
Feedback why this is impossible isn't really helpful here, most of us are
aware of the limitations. Given that we agree on the overall goals (?),
useful input is what can be done, and how.
I don't think it's fair to say
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 09:46:39PM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote:
That's not to say that there aren't useful questions that could be
answered, but so far they haven't been asked. I think if you start
with the right question, it will be easier to find a route to the
answer.
Okay, this seems like a
Hi
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
Okay, this seems like a good start. What _are_ the right questions?
* Which packages are part of the default installation for various products
or spins that users actively remove?
* Which packages are not part of the installation
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