Re: Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-14 Thread mike cloaked
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: Doesn't matter. The question is whether there is a change in trend. It's improbable that KDE adoption is increasing in statistically significant numbers, while at the same time KDE spin downloads remain flat, just

Re: Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-14 Thread Camilo Mesias
I wonder if there is a way to accurately gauge hours spent using one DE or another. I've only ever used Gnome although I tried KDE briefly (at least one major release ago) and tried other distros Suse and Ubuntu, but only when Fedora was unstable on my hardware. I blogged a few 'gotchas' with

Re: Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-14 Thread FRank Murphy
On 14/02/12 11:05, Camilo Mesias wrote: Is there a smolt-like solution that wouldn't be unpalatable to many? It would surely be better than relying on out-of date and questionable polls. I'd be happy to be counted as using Gnome shell on several systems. -Cam How would you gauge it, Smolt

Re: Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-14 Thread drago01
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: I'm going to reply to both in one go here: drago01 wrote: Why must a desktop resemble the windows 95 UI paradigm? Because that is what all current computer users are used to! And an inconvenient fact often ignored

Re: Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-13 Thread Matej Cepl
On 13.2.2012 01:12, Kevin Kofler wrote: IMHO, not only should the KDE spin become the default, but the Xfce spin should replace the GNOME spin (which of course needs to stop calling itself the Desktop spin) on the mirrors. GNOME is no longer a major desktop! Xfce is now the second most popular

Re: Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matej Cepl wrote: Kevin? I am usually close to being on your side in most flamewars here, but changing the release policy based on the vote of 627 people on a random website? Really? It's not just that website. Survey the Fedora blogs a bit to see how many people switched away from GNOME 3.

Re: Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-13 Thread drago01
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Matej Cepl wrote: Kevin? I am usually close to being on your side in most flamewars here, but changing the release policy based on the vote of 627 people on a random website? Really? It's not just that website.

Re: Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-13 Thread Michael Cronenworth
drago01 wrote: Why must a desktop resemble the windows 95 UI paradigm? You call that unconventional I call that progress. Not even Microsoft is staying with the 95 UI. @Kevin, Windows 8 will look more like Gnome Shell than KDE. What then? Will we see millions of Windows users flock to Mac? I

Re: Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
drago01 wrote: The poll is scientifically useless and you know that; and the one Olav linked shows the opposite by the way. The one Olav linked to said only GNOME rather than GNOME 3 or GNOME Shell and as such people who are still sticking with GNOME 2 will have voted for GNOME too. Several

Re: Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-13 Thread Chris Murphy
On Feb 13, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: The LQ poll proves it was the latter. I don't like Gnome 3 either. From the largely outsider perspective and new to linux in general, I get the impression Gnome dev is on a mission, of unknown origin, and could absolutely care less about any

Re: Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
I'm going to reply to both in one go here: drago01 wrote: Why must a desktop resemble the windows 95 UI paradigm? Because that is what all current computer users are used to! And an inconvenient fact often ignored in usability studies is that the vast majority of your users will NOT be new

Re: Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-13 Thread Genes MailLists
On 02/13/2012 03:47 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Fedora DE vs KDE spin download ratio compared to past release ratios would be more suggestive of a trend, if it exists. Not necessarily - I always used the standard DVD to install and use KDE and frankly never used the KDE spin - not once. gene

Re: Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-13 Thread Chris Murphy
On Feb 13, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: On 02/13/2012 03:47 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Fedora DE vs KDE spin download ratio compared to past release ratios would be more suggestive of a trend, if it exists. Not necessarily - I always used the standard DVD to install and use

Re: Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-12 Thread Genes MailLists
On 02/12/2012 06:19 AM, mike cloaked wrote: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/2011-linuxquestions-org-members-choice-awards-95/desktop-environment-of-the-year-919888/ Shows an interesting result in terms of DE popularity - though given the many discussions not only on Fedora lists but

Re: Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-12 Thread mike cloaked
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote:  Interesting poll - of course some will jump on it as a non-scientific and why it's inadequate because it either is too broad an audience or too narrow .. :-) Or perhaps with only 600+ participants the std error may be

Re: Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-12 Thread Jos Vos
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 11:35:17AM -0500, Genes MailLists wrote: Interesting poll - of course some will jump on it as a non-scientific and why it's inadequate because it either is too broad an audience or too narrow .. :-) Or perhaps with only 600+ participants the std error may be too high

Re: Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-12 Thread Evandro Giovanini
A web poll from linuxquestions.org? Surely you can't be serious with this mail? -- Evandro Em Dom, 2012-02-12 às 11:35 -0500, Genes MailLists escreveu: On 02/12/2012 06:19 AM, mike cloaked wrote:

Re: Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Genes MailLists wrote: While it may make sense to make KDE the default DE for fedora - I suspect that this cannot happen in fedora due to pressures from the large number of gnome devs associated with Fedora - or could it? Should it? IMHO, not only should the KDE spin become the default, but

Re: Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-12 Thread Mark Bidewell
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Genes MailLists wrote:   While it may make sense to make KDE the default DE for fedora - I suspect that this cannot happen in fedora due to pressures from the large number of gnome devs associated with Fedora - or