Ok, I made some screen shots. It's a bit easier to understand if you
see it actually working. They should still give you a idea.
Looking at the PackageDB tags, filtering for the Office and Qt tags:
http://fedorapeople.org/~ffesti/screenshots/PackageDBTags.gif
Filtering for the GNOME menu tag
On 09/23/2010 06:09 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 15:51:37 +0200,
FlorianFestiffe...@redhat.com wrote:
1) Comps groups. Not even used by PK to the full extend. Nevertheless
several groups are huge with over 100 packages (winner being Games
with over 300). Sorry, 100
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 15:51:37 +0200,
FlorianFesti ffe...@redhat.com wrote:
1) Comps groups. Not even used by PK to the full extend. Nevertheless
several groups are huge with over 100 packages (winner being Games
with over 300). Sorry, 100 packages in one list view doesn't work for me.
Le vendredi 17 septembre 2010 à 17:26 -0400, Colin Walters a écrit :
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17 September 2010 15:28, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote:
Not if it's provided in the RPM header in a way where it can be easily
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:01 PM, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 10:57 +0200, drago01 wrote:
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 13 September 2010 21:49, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
So Seth spent
On 09/16/2010 09:05 PM, Colin Walters wrote:
(I don't have a strong opinion on whether the data format is RPM or
repodata myself; maybe just a slight preference for the latter; the
most important thing in my mind is to come to rough consensus and
working code, and actually ship something)
It
On 17 September 2010 08:01, FlorianFesti ffe...@redhat.com wrote:
Can someone please elaborate a bit what pieces of information are really
needed? The .desktop files as a whole?
Information we use in app-install:
TABLE translations:
STRING application_id Name of the desktop file, with no
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:01 AM, FlorianFesti ffe...@redhat.com wrote:
On 09/16/2010 09:05 PM, Colin Walters wrote:
(I don't have a strong opinion on whether the data format is RPM or
repodata myself; maybe just a slight preference for the latter; the
most important thing in my mind is to
Arthur Pemberton (pem...@gmail.com) said:
Can someone please elaborate a bit what pieces of information are really
needed? The .desktop files as a whole?
Wouldn't that require the tool to download every package just to get
the embedded information.
Not if it's provided in the RPM header
On 17 September 2010 13:36, Arthur Pemberton pem...@gmail.com wrote:
Wouldn't that require the tool to download every package just to get
the embedded information.
Yes, that's what my generator tool does. Of course, it only downloads
the packages that contain .desktop files (which we can tell
On 17 September 2010 15:28, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote:
Not if it's provided in the RPM header in a way where it can be easily
stuffed into the metadata or a similar place.
Bear in mind: 'n' applications per package, where 'n' can be a large
number. This means you have to come up
On 09/17/2010 05:05 PM, Richard Hughes wrote:
On 17 September 2010 13:36, Arthur Pembertonpem...@gmail.com wrote:
Wouldn't that require the tool to download every package just to get
the embedded information.
Yes, that's what my generator tool does. Of course, it only downloads
the
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17 September 2010 15:28, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote:
Not if it's provided in the RPM header in a way where it can be easily
stuffed into the metadata or a similar place.
Bear in mind: 'n' applications
On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 18:37 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
On 17 September 2010 16:39, FlorianFesti ffe...@redhat.com wrote:
open the payload and unpack the content of the desktop files...
I got told by infrastructure this would take too much bandwidth and
too much time to do on each compose.
On 09/15/2010 04:38 PM, FlorianFesti wrote:
[Show/Hide Details]
Btw: If you do that right and save the state of this button in the
user's home you can make beginners and power users happy without much UI
overhead. Power users would just have to push the button once to get
their beloved
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 13 September 2010 21:49, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
So Seth spent half a day implementing a proof of concept:
http://skvidal.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/fedora-app-market-proof-of-concept/
On 16 September 2010 09:57, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
Lets say we ever want to implement this
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=612628 (or any similar
feature in another upstream project)
without a cross distro way to get the application data (icons, names,
etc. ) it would be
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 10:57 +0200, drago01 wrote:
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 13 September 2010 21:49, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
So Seth spent half a day implementing a proof of concept:
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 16:57 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
On 16 September 2010 15:01, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Err ... PackageKit is currently the cross distro. way to work with
distro. package managers, nothing outside of that layer should ever know
(or care) where the
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
It just so happens that app-install does just that.
The question isnt should app-install exist. The question is does it
interact with our package management system as a source of metadata
information in the right way that
On 16 September 2010 20:05, Colin Walters walt...@verbum.org wrote:
Personally I'd much prefer some nice asynchronous GObject API
somewhere for this, rather than parsing SQLite directly. PackageKit
seems like as good a place as any for this.
app-install in git master has a GObject library,
While showing the user applications instead of packages might be a
good idea for several use cases I think this approach misses the point
here. The questions for redesigning the Updater dialog should be:
What's the user supposed to decide and what information does he need to
do so?
The
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 16:38 +0200, FlorianFesti wrote:
So I would suggest an UI that gives a summery (Didn't we already have
that in the past?) and offers 3 buttons:
[Show/Hide Details] [Do not install updates now] [Install updates now]
The first being a toggle button hiding/showing the
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:38 PM, FlorianFesti ffe...@redhat.com wrote:
While showing the user applications instead of packages might be a
good idea for several use cases I think this approach misses the point
here. The questions for redesigning the Updater dialog should be:
It is not only
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 22:39 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
On 13 September 2010 21:49, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
So Seth spent half a day implementing a proof of concept:
http://skvidal.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/fedora-app-market-proof-of-concept/
Translations?
They were
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 6:28 PM, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Ubuntu recently got high praise from LWN for Software Center in 10.10
betas. It doesn't use PackageKit at all AFAICS (no PackageKit packages
are installed in my VM). It integrates tightly with apt (you know, like
Hi,
On 09/08/2010 02:43 PM, Richard Hughes wrote:
On 8 September 2010 13:16, Adam Williamsonawill...@redhat.com wrote:
First off, I think this is a great idea and very much needed, thanks for
working on it.
Cool, thanks. Some positive feedback at last! Too... much... stop... energy...
Oh,
On 13 September 2010 08:36, Hans de Goede hdego...@redhat.com wrote:
But Adam is not the only one I love this idea too! And I would like to
think there are other silent admirers of this idea too!
Cool, thanks.
I've even considered taken the review for the app data package and approving
it,
On 2010-09-08, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:59 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
Well ideally every app that allows font selection should have a button
/ option add new font that opens a font installation dialog.
To be clear this dialog should not be re
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 09:36 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:
Hi,
On 09/08/2010 02:43 PM, Richard Hughes wrote:
On 8 September 2010 13:16, Adam Williamsonawill...@redhat.com wrote:
First off, I think this is a great idea and very much needed, thanks for
working on it.
Cool, thanks. Some
On 13 September 2010 21:49, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
So Seth spent half a day implementing a proof of concept:
http://skvidal.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/fedora-app-market-proof-of-concept/
Translations?
Icons?
Offline queries?
Co-operating with other distros?
Formal database
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 22:21 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le mercredi 08 septembre 2010 à 19:07 +0100, Alex Hudson a écrit :
The i18n situation is also pretty sad from my point of view too. If you
use pretty much any design app, OO Writer and Inkscape being the ones
which cause me pain, the
Le Jeu 9 septembre 2010 09:26, Alex Hudson a écrit :
Fonts being in RPMs and supported in PackageKit is something I totally
support, but attempting to re-use a more generic software installation
UI to allow users to manage fonts seems severely sub-optimal to me.
Well, this thread is about
On 9 September 2010 09:52, Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote:
It needs works both packagekit-side and font packaging side, but there is
absolutely no way I'm going to expand energy on pushing the packaging changes
through FPC other font packagers if there is no buy-in
On Sep 9, 2010, Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote:
Le Jeu 9 septembre 2010 09:26, Alex Hudson a écrit :
Fonts being in RPMs and supported in PackageKit is something I totally
support, but attempting to re-use a more generic software installation
UI to allow users to manage
On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 11:03 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
I'm interested in font installing, but I think it might be better to
integrate this with app-install rather than packagekit, as app-install
has a pointer to a screenshot URL we can show in the preview window.
I'm not sure why this should
On 09/09/2010 01:24 PM, Alex Hudson wrote:
A screenshot is marginally useful, but how do you give a good idea of
how the font works in different weights, sizes, and with different text
(particularly those fonts with good Unicode coverage)? I think it's
sub-optimal to say the least.
You are
Le Jeu 9 septembre 2010 12:24, Alex Hudson a écrit :
What you really want is a font store which has functionality like this:
http://code.google.com/webfonts/preview#font-family=Cantarell
What you do not realize is that this kind of preview works by having the
complete font file
On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 13:49 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le Jeu 9 septembre 2010 12:24, Alex Hudson a écrit :
What you really want is a font store which has functionality like this:
http://code.google.com/webfonts/preview#font-family=Cantarell
What you do not realize is that this
Le Jeu 9 septembre 2010 14:29, Alex Hudson a écrit :
On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 13:49 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le Jeu 9 septembre 2010 12:24, Alex Hudson a écrit :
What you really want is a font store which has functionality like this:
On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 15:05 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le Jeu 9 septembre 2010 14:29, Alex Hudson a écrit :
.TTF fonts (as an example) just aren't very big. I tried a sample font
in my .fonts directory, it's 75K and five lines of varied The quick
brown fox.. in PNG format comes out at
Le Jeu 9 septembre 2010 15:32, Alex Hudson a écrit :
On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 15:05 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le Jeu 9 septembre 2010 14:29, Alex Hudson a écrit :
.TTF fonts (as an example) just aren't very big. I tried a sample font
in my .fonts directory, it's 75K and five lines of
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 14:17 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
Sure, I understand where you're coming from. As you see from
app-install schema version 1 it really was least common denominator.
But version 2, which is in progress now, features application
screenshot previews (that ubuntu wanted) and
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 14:17 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
Sure, I understand where you're coming from. As you see from
app-install schema version 1 it really was least common denominator.
But version 2, which is in
On 8 September 2010 13:16, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
First off, I think this is a great idea and very much needed, thanks for
working on it.
Cool, thanks. Some positive feedback at last! Too... much... stop... energy...
On the cross-distro front, is Canonical / Ubuntu
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 13:43 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
But of course, Fedora is an early adopter and driving development.
Just like normal. Just like it should be.
Sure. I just hoped they were plugged into this process in some sense so
that if it does meet their needs in future they'll look
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8 September 2010 13:16, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
First off, I think this is a great idea and very much needed, thanks for
working on it.
Cool, thanks. Some positive feedback at last! Too... much...
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
A patch would be lovely, but some sample code that renders a ttf file
to a png file The smart brown fox or whatever using cairo is
probably good enough for me to get going.
Just to be clear. When users want a to get a
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
A patch would be lovely, but some sample code that renders a ttf file
to a png file The smart brown fox or whatever using cairo is
probably good
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 09:18 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
Just to be clear. When users want a to get a new font what is the
ideal software interaction path you expect them to take to find fonts?
It's not clear that app-install is what you expect them to interact
with. I do sort of expect normal
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Alex Hudson fed...@alexhudson.com wrote:
I know fonts come in RPMs, but tbh as a user I could really care less.
I'm not disagreeing. But since fonts have come up in the context of
app-install.. I'd like to hear what the main PackageKit developer
thinks about fonts
Le mardi 07 septembre 2010 à 22:23 +0100, Richard Hughes a écrit :
On 7 September 2010 17:32, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote:
And BTW a request at the time was to extend it with font previews to get
a font store (because for fonts, gfx preview is really relevant and
not eye candy)
Le mercredi 08 septembre 2010 à 19:07 +0100, Alex Hudson a écrit :
The i18n situation is also pretty sad from my point of view too. If you
use pretty much any design app, OO Writer and Inkscape being the ones
which cause me pain, the standard set of fonts that comes with Fedora is
entirely
Le mercredi 08 septembre 2010 à 21:35 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :
so by combining code from both it should be possible to create a small
utility that takes as argument a font file and a locale and generates a
svg (or svgz) containing the pangram text for this locale with the
shapes of
On 09/07/2010 05:16 PM, Richard Hughes wrote:
Linux has traditionally shown the user packages to update and install,
which is great for administrators, but sucks hard for end users. How
many times have you been prompted with an update list that asks you to
decide whether to update something
On 7 September 2010 12:57, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:
Thoughts on making the software center less distro specific? Couldn't
the UI be grafted on top of the PK api?
app-install is completely distro-neutral. GNOME PackageKit and
KPackageKit get the same kind of data from
Richard Hughes píše v Út 07. 09. 2010 v 12:46 +0100:
The updater will be an improved version of the old package updater,
and anything that's not an application (e.g. PackageKit-libs-devel)
will be under a group (not shown in the screenshot) called System
infrastructure. If you update an
2010/9/7 Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz:
Richard Hughes píše v Út 07. 09. 2010 v 12:46 +0100:
The updater will be an improved version of the old package updater,
and anything that's not an application (e.g. PackageKit-libs-devel)
will be under a group (not shown in the screenshot) called System
2010/9/7 Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz:
Um, do I understand this correctly that e.g. a kernel update usually
won't get installed because it belongs in system infrastructure and
few packages depend on kernel?
By default, all updates will be selected, even those in the system
infrastructure
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 17:27 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 09/07/2010 05:16 PM, Richard Hughes wrote:
Linux has traditionally shown the user packages to update and install,
which is great for administrators, but sucks hard for end users. How
many times have you been prompted with an update
On 7 September 2010 14:11, seth vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
okay - I'll bite - why do we want to make it less distro-specific?
For the same reason as pirut and pup were replaced. Fedora is *not* a
big enough ecosystem to drive fully localized and feature rich user
experiences. Working
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 09:11 -0400, seth vidal wrote:
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 17:27 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 09/07/2010 05:16 PM, Richard Hughes wrote:
Linux has traditionally shown the user packages to update and install,
which is great for administrators, but sucks hard for end
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 09:19 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 09:11 -0400, seth vidal wrote:
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 17:27 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 09/07/2010 05:16 PM, Richard Hughes wrote:
Linux has traditionally shown the user packages to update and install,
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 14:17 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
On 7 September 2010 14:11, seth vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
okay - I'll bite - why do we want to make it less distro-specific?
For the same reason as pirut and pup were replaced. Fedora is *not* a
big enough ecosystem to
On 7 September 2010 14:39, seth vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Except we don't seem to do that. Over half of all commits to PK are from
you. The next closest committer has 6% of commits. If I exclude the
backends and translations then PK is written almost exclusively by you.
I'm not
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 09:39 -0400, seth vidal wrote:
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 14:17 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
On 7 September 2010 14:11, seth vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
okay - I'll bite - why do we want to make it less distro-specific?
For the same reason as pirut and pup
On 09/07/2010 04:51 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 09:39 -0400, seth vidal wrote:
So all the time you spent writing a compat layer of code for OTHER
distros gets fedora what?
It gets us translations that we would not otherwise have, and it gets us
integration in the rest
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 14:17 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
On 7 September 2010 14:11, seth vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
okay - I'll bite - why do we want to make it less distro-specific?
For the same reason as pirut and pup were replaced. Fedora is *not* a
big enough ecosystem to
On 7 September 2010 15:23, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Are you having any discussions about applications like postfix, or is
version 2 going to be just GUI stuff?
Postfix is not an application. Applications have translated desktop
files and icons.
I assume you have a plan
On Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 10:42:54 AM, Richard wrote:
On 7 September 2010 15:23, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
This isn't repodata, it's a separate data package. You /could/ push
the icons.tar.gz and desktop sqlite database as repodata, although
it's not going to change for
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 15:42 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
On 7 September 2010 15:23, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Are you having any discussions about applications like postfix, or is
version 2 going to be just GUI stuff?
Postfix is not an application. Applications have
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:39 AM, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 15:42 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
On 7 September 2010 15:23, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Are you having any discussions about applications like postfix, or is
version 2 going
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 16:54 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
On 7 September 2010 16:39, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
However this is very much the same problem as a user trying to find
sql server and getting results like voms-mysql-plugin etc. If you
intentionally ignore this
Le mardi 07 septembre 2010 à 09:51 -0400, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
It gets us translations that we would not otherwise have, and it gets us
integration in the rest of the desktop, like automatic font or codec
installation.
??? This was done 100% Fedora-side (not that I mind if it were
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 11:48 -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:39 AM, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 15:42 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
On 7 September 2010 15:23, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Are you having any
Le mardi 07 septembre 2010 à 18:20 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :
Le mardi 07 septembre 2010 à 09:51 -0400, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
It gets us translations that we would not otherwise have, and it gets us
integration in the rest of the desktop, like automatic font or codec
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 18:20 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le mardi 07 septembre 2010 à 09:51 -0400, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
It gets us translations that we would not otherwise have, and it gets us
integration in the rest of the desktop, like automatic font or codec
installation.
???
On 7 September 2010 17:20, Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote:
??? This was done 100% Fedora-side (not that I mind if it were adopted
by other distros)
Incorrect. It was done on the Fedora transifex instance, but I know
from fact that a few of the translators are from other
On 7 September 2010 17:32, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote:
And BTW a request at the time was to extend it with font previews to get
a font store (because for fonts, gfx preview is really relevant and
not eye candy) and it never happened :(
If you send a patch it might !
A patch
On 09/07/2010 07:32 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 18:20 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
??? This was done 100% Fedora-side (not that I mind if it were adopted
by other distros)
Ok, lets go with another example of integration then: file-roller can
use PackageKit to install
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