On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Mathieu Bridon
boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 00:36, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
Hmm, this is what I did this a couple times, i.e. I forward the
backtrace to upstream without including any other
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
Hmm, this is what I did this a couple times, i.e. I forward the
backtrace to upstream without including any other information, since
the user does not provide any.
What I receive from upstream is that they need more
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
Can we just disable abrt on Fedora until it figures how to file bugs
upstream? What is the procedure to propose this? Does this have to go
through FESCo?
that's a bit drastic. I don't
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com wrote:
I understand. But please respect what others are thinking. I do see a
problem in abrt that it wastes my time.
To stem another abrt thread; see earlier one here:
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com wrote:
I understand. But please respect what others are thinking. I do see a
problem in abrt that it wastes my time.
It's not possible for you to simply ignore the abrt bugs? I filter
the [abrt] ticket email into a separate
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
I understand. But please respect what others are thinking. I do see a
problem in abrt that it wastes my time.
It's not possible for you to simply ignore the abrt bugs? I filter
the
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com wrote:
An anonymous database is easy to ignore by packagers. I fear that that
might turn to something as useless as pulseaudio.
The little jab at pulseaudio is extremely inappropriate and absolutely
non-constructive to the
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
An anonymous database is easy to ignore by packagers. I fear that that
might turn to something as useless as pulseaudio.
The little jab at pulseaudio is extremely inappropriate and
On 4 May 2010 21:29, Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote:
Please, dear maintainers, take care of your ABRT reports and forward
them if you cannot handle them yourselves!
I want to do this, but I need to verify first if the bug
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Mat Booth wrote:
On 4 May 2010 21:29, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote:
Please, dear maintainers, take care of your ABRT reports and forward
them if you cannot handle them yourselves!
I want to do this, but I need
Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
Hmm, this is what I did this a couple times, i.e. I forward the
backtrace to upstream without including any other information, since
the user does not provide any.
What I receive from upstream is that they need more info. Then I go
back to the user asking once more to
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 00:36, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
Hmm, this is what I did this a couple times, i.e. I forward the
backtrace to upstream without including any other information, since
the user does not provide any.
What I receive from upstream is
Am Mittwoch, den 05.05.2010, 00:46 +0200 schrieb Mathieu Bridon:
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 00:36, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
Hmm, this is what I did this a couple times, i.e. I forward the
backtrace to upstream without including any other information, since
On Sunday 25 April 2010 10:33:13 Kevin Kofler wrote:
Christoph Wickert wrote:
I'm upstreaming reports from 'lazy idiots' too and some of them get
fixed. In fact the percentage of the ones that get fixed is not
different from the 'active' reporters cause usually the backtrace
contains all
On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 10:11 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Christoph Wickert
christoph.wick...@googlemail.com wrote:
I'm upstreaming reports from 'lazy idiots' too and some of them get
fixed. In fact the percentage of the ones that get fixed is not
different
Thomas Spura wrote:
Am Samstag, den 24.04.2010, 13:27 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
There is a alternative. For some of my packages, I have asked upstream
to sign up for a Fedora account and apply to watch commits and bugs.
Since my packages are either patch free or I apply patches
Adam Williamson wrote:
Not really. abrt reports are bug reports on crashing applications. The
fact that they're automatically generated doesn't really matter a lot.
Our policies should be as wide as practical, having special policies for
some bugs just because they happen to have been
Christoph Wickert wrote:
We have this nice ABRT tool now, so please let the bug reports our users
collect not be useless and forward them upstream cause that's where they
belong. We are not collecting these reports to let them rotten in our
bugzilla and get them closed by the bugzappers. This
Am Sonntag, den 25.04.2010, 09:17 +0200 schrieb Kevin Kofler:
ABRT bugs are usually filed by
lazy idiots who have hit a fix my software! button and expect everything
else to magically happen without them doing anything, so requests to
upstream bugs are usually met with total silence,
Am Sonntag, den 25.04.2010, 09:23 +0200 schrieb Kevin Kofler:
Christoph Wickert wrote:
We have this nice ABRT tool now, so please let the bug reports our users
collect not be useless and forward them upstream cause that's where they
belong. We are not collecting these reports to let them
On 25/04/10 09:20, Christoph Wickert wrote:
--snipped--
And obviously a checkbox doesn't help ether to separate the 'lazy
idiots' from the active reporters. Q. E. D. ;)
Or perhaps the lazy maintainers?
--
Regards,
Frank Murphy
UTF_8 Encoded, Fedora 64 and 32
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Christoph Wickert wrote:
I'm upstreaming reports from 'lazy idiots' too and some of them get
fixed. In fact the percentage of the ones that get fixed is not
different from the 'active' reporters cause usually the backtrace
contains all necessary data for the developer to fix the problem.
ABRT
Christoph Wickert wrote:
I'm doing this for ~ 130 packages and it works for me.
Good for you. I have more important things to do than do triaging day and
night, sorry.
Of course it is a some work, but it's easier for 20 downstream maintainers
to deal with 10 reports each a week than for a
Am Freitag, den 23.04.2010, 22:09 +0100 schrieb Adam Williamson:
On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 19:45 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
P.S.: Now that we gather all these data, do we need a general policy for
it? Should the bugzappers take care of forwarding bugs?
Not really. abrt reports are bug
On 04/24/2010 01:15 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote:
* because without forwarding them the whole ABRT approach is
useless. We are gathering data but the reports are going to be
closed WONTFIX by the bugzappers if they are not forwarded in
time.
There is a
Am Samstag, den 24.04.2010, 13:27 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
On 04/24/2010 01:15 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote:
* because without forwarding them the whole ABRT approach is
useless. We are gathering data but the reports are going to be
closed WONTFIX by the
On 04/24/2010 09:49 PM, Thomas Spura wrote:
Am Samstag, den 24.04.2010, 13:27 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
There is a alternative. For some of my packages, I have asked upstream
to sign up for a Fedora account and apply to watch commits and bugs.
Since my packages are either patch free or
Am Samstag, den 24.04.2010, 22:14 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
On 04/24/2010 09:49 PM, Thomas Spura wrote:
Am Samstag, den 24.04.2010, 13:27 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
There is a alternative. For some of my packages, I have asked upstream
to sign up for a Fedora account and apply to
On 04/24/2010 10:47 PM, Thomas Spura wrote:
That's true, but it sounded more like a 'solution' to the problem, and
that's unfortunately not :(
We should also find a solution for packages, where the maintainers
didn't consider it as a option… Unfortunately this will be the case for
the most of
Christoph Wickert wrote:
When I receive a bug report I have a look at it and if it contains all
necessary data, I forward it to upstream's bug tracker. Most of the time
the developers are very thankful about the reports and especially the
backtraces. Looking at the bugs I filed I see that
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