Re: Puppet 4

2015-06-23 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Michael Stahnke wrote: > As a point of moderation, we could probably break out the FHS/stateless > discussion into its own thread, as at this point this has nearly nothing to > do with Puppet. Good point. Let me circle it back around: It seems reasonable for a m

Re: Puppet 4

2015-06-22 Thread Michael Stahnke
As a point of moderation, we could probably break out the FHS/stateless discussion into its own thread, as at this point this has nearly nothing to do with Puppet. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: htt

Re: Puppet 4

2015-06-22 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 6:58 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >> >> >> The "/etc" migration, however, is part of the "stateless linux" work >> desribed at http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/stateless.html. They're >> planning on resetting "/etc"

Re: Puppet 4

2015-06-22 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 6:58 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > The "/etc" migration, however, is part of the "stateless linux" work > desribed at http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/stateless.html. They're > planning on resetting "/etc" to a "pristine vendor state", and > basdically keep it that way

Re: Puppet 4

2015-06-15 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Sat, Jun 06, 2015 at 06:52:35PM -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >> Given the profound discrepancies between the FHS 3 and everything that >> systemd touches, I'm afraid it's become a confusing guideline for >> Fedora work.

Re: Puppet 4

2015-06-08 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Sat, Jun 06, 2015 at 06:52:35PM -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Matthew Miller > wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 01:31:10PM +, John Florian wrote: > >> Personally I do so using a scheme like /opt/$VENDOR/$PRODUCT/$RELEASE, > >> but to my knowledge the F

Re: Puppet 4

2015-06-06 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 01:31:10PM +, John Florian wrote: >> Personally I do so using a scheme like /opt/$VENDOR/$PRODUCT/$RELEASE, >> but to my knowledge the FHS has never ratified anything like that. The >> FHS seems to take a rather

Re: Puppet 4

2015-06-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 06:48:45PM +, John Florian wrote: > > > http://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs/ch03s13.html > Thanks for that info. I've always referenced > http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ before. Is that no longer > authoritative ... or was it ever? It was authoritative for

Re: Puppet 4

2015-06-05 Thread John Florian
On Fri, 2015-06-05 at 11:32 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 11:31:04AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > This is actually specifically addressed in FHS 3.0, released, actually, > > _just this week_. See > > http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb/fhs-30 > >

Re: Puppet 4

2015-06-05 Thread Oliver Falk
Hi! (Sorry for top-quote, but on mobile...) Copy that and FHS states this quite clear. Personally I'm also not a huge fan of software installing to /opt. Neither am I a fan of packaging (local) libraries in there - for a variety of reasons. I even think the Fedora packaging guidelines forbid th

Re: Puppet 4

2015-06-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 11:31:04AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > This is actually specifically addressed in FHS 3.0, released, actually, > _just this week_. See > http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb/fhs-30 > and specifically > http://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/f

Re: Puppet 4

2015-06-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 01:31:10PM +, John Florian wrote: > Personally I do so using a scheme like /opt/$VENDOR/$PRODUCT/$RELEASE, > but to my knowledge the FHS has never ratified anything like that. The > FHS seems to take a rather vague stance on /opt overall IMHO. This is actually specific

Re: Puppet 4

2015-06-05 Thread Michael Stahnke
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Michael Stahnke wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 6:31 AM, John Florian > wrote: > >> On Fri, 2015-06-05 at 01:12 -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:21 PM, John Florian >> wrote: >> > > I’ve been curious how Fedora plans to tackle inc

Re: Puppet 4

2015-06-05 Thread Michael Stahnke
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 6:31 AM, John Florian wrote: > On Fri, 2015-06-05 at 01:12 -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:21 PM, John Florian > wrote: > > > I’ve been curious how Fedora plans to tackle inclusion of Puppet 4, but > > > haven’t heard even a peep on the subject

Re: Puppet 4

2015-06-05 Thread John Florian
On Fri, 2015-06-05 at 01:12 -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:21 PM, John Florian wrote: > > I’ve been curious how Fedora plans to tackle inclusion of Puppet 4, but > > haven’t heard even a peep on the subject. As described[1], they’ve moved to > > an all-in-one packaging

Re: Puppet 4

2015-06-05 Thread John Florian
On Thu, 2015-06-04 at 20:17 -0700, Michael Stahnke wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Haïkel > wrote: > 2015-06-04 20:21 GMT+02:00 John Florian > : > > I’ve been curious how Fedora plans to tackle inclusion of > Puppet 4, but > > haven’t heard ev

Re: Puppet 4

2015-06-05 Thread John Florian
On Thu, 2015-06-04 at 23:21 +0200, Haïkel wrote: > 2015-06-04 20:21 GMT+02:00 John Florian : > > I’ve been curious how Fedora plans to tackle inclusion of Puppet 4, but > > haven’t heard even a peep on the subject. As described[1], they’ve moved to > > an all-in-one packaging process that “include

Re: Puppet 4

2015-06-04 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:21 PM, John Florian wrote: > I’ve been curious how Fedora plans to tackle inclusion of Puppet 4, but > haven’t heard even a peep on the subject. As described[1], they’ve moved to > an all-in-one packaging process that “includes Puppet 4, both Facter 2.4 and > CFacter 0.4,

Re: Puppet 4

2015-06-04 Thread Michael Stahnke
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Haïkel wrote: > 2015-06-04 20:21 GMT+02:00 John Florian : > > I’ve been curious how Fedora plans to tackle inclusion of Puppet 4, but > > haven’t heard even a peep on the subject. As described[1], they’ve > moved to > > an all-in-one packaging process that “includ

Re: Puppet 4

2015-06-04 Thread Haïkel
2015-06-04 20:21 GMT+02:00 John Florian : > I’ve been curious how Fedora plans to tackle inclusion of Puppet 4, but > haven’t heard even a peep on the subject. As described[1], they’ve moved to > an all-in-one packaging process that “includes Puppet 4, both Facter 2.4 and > CFacter 0.4, the latest