Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-08-03 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 2.8.2015 v 18:15 Kevin Fenzi napsal(a): On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 07:33:39 -0400 Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 July 2015 at 17:27, Radek Holy rh...@redhat.com wrote: One can say that the mirrors should

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-08-03 Thread Bill Nottingham
Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) said: So, you are proposing we do things exactly as we are now, but also keep around all previous copies of the packages in the repos (but not in the repodata)? I'm not sure if that setup would work with dnf. I think it requires whatever mirror(s) it uses to

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-08-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:29:30 +0200 Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: This is actually not true. Well, as I noted in my reply, I wasn't actually sure what was being proposed here. The repodata should contain just the latest version, but if I have slightly older version of metadata

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-08-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 05:53:15 +0200 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Kevin Fenzi wrote: * There could be some nasty issues with keeping known vulnerable/broken packages around. ie, foo-1.0 has a severe security bug, foo-1.1 fixes it. You now just need to trick someone into

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-08-03 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 3.8.2015 v 17:45 Kevin Fenzi napsal(a): On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:29:30 +0200 Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: This is actually not true. Well, as I noted in my reply, I wasn't actually sure what was being proposed here. The repodata should contain just the latest version, but if

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-08-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 11:52:01 -0400 Bill Nottingham nott...@splat.cc wrote: At some point, it might be worth doing cost/benefit analysis on continuing down our existing mirroring strategy and designing for the limits of that vs. the application of some sponsor funds towards the use of more

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-08-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kevin Fenzi wrote: * There could be some nasty issues with keeping known vulnerable/broken packages around. ie, foo-1.0 has a severe security bug, foo-1.1 fixes it. You now just need to trick someone into downgrading or directly installing foo-1.0 (which is in normal repos and signed and

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-08-02 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 07:33:39 -0400 Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 July 2015 at 17:27, Radek Holy rh...@redhat.com wrote: One can say that the mirrors should keep the older versions I would

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-08-01 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 July 2015 at 17:27, Radek Holy rh...@redhat.com wrote: One can say that the mirrors should keep the older versions I would completely agree. As we can't rely that packages referenced in metadata just one day old

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-07-31 Thread Radek Holy
- Original Message - From: Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 2:56:48 AM Subject: Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited Radek Holy wrote: Known, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-07-31 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 10:46:16AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 31.07.2015 um 05:47 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 02:56:48AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Radek Holy wrote: Known, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1220074. Should be fixed in

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-07-31 Thread Richard Hughes
On 31 July 2015 at 17:27, Radek Holy rh...@redhat.com wrote: One can say that the mirrors should keep the older versions I would completely agree. As we can't rely that packages referenced in metadata just one day old still being on the mirrors means that PackageKit has to download hundreds of

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-07-31 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 31.07.2015 um 05:47 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 02:56:48AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Radek Holy wrote: Known, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1220074. Should be fixed in dnf-1.0.2. I still don't understand why we don't just enable keepcache

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-07-31 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 31.07.2015 um 10:46 schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 31.07.2015 um 05:47 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 02:56:48AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Radek Holy wrote: Known, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1220074. Should be fixed in dnf-1.0.2. I still don't

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-07-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Radek Holy wrote: Known, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1220074. Should be fixed in dnf-1.0.2. I still don't understand why we don't just enable keepcache by default. Even after a successful update/install, deleting the cached packages is a major data loss because it prevents

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-07-30 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 02:56:48AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Radek Holy wrote: Known, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1220074. Should be fixed in dnf-1.0.2. I still don't understand why we don't just enable keepcache by default. Even after a successful update/install,

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-07-30 Thread Felix Miata
Johnny Robeson composed on 2015-07-30 03:25 (UTC-0400): On Thu, 2015-07-30 at 03:21 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: # dnf upgrade (dnf nearly exhausts freespace downloading all packages before installing any packages) dnf then reports package xxx needs ##MB on / filesystem and exits without

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-07-30 Thread Radek Holy
- Original Message - From: Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 9:21:19 AM Subject: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited # dnf upgrade (dnf nearly exhausts freespace downloading all packages before

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-07-30 Thread Johnny Robeson
On Thu, 2015-07-30 at 03:21 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: # dnf upgrade (dnf nearly exhausts freespace downloading all packages before installing any packages) dnf then reports package xxx needs ##MB on / filesystem and exits without doing any installing dnf all deletes downloaded packages