Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-23 Thread Andy Grimm
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Mon, 20.10.14 15:08, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 08:56:19PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: But again, I am not sure I understand what is going on here. Is

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-21 Thread Lars Kellogg-Stedman
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 08:56:19PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Hmm, not sure I follow here. Since when is systemd an optional component in Fedora? I have been spending much of my time building Fedora-based Docker containers recently. I've been sticking to the one-process-per-container

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-20 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 15.10.14 16:10, Jan Chaloupka (jchal...@redhat.com) wrote: Hi, there has been a discussion about if we need cache for man-db for users which use man pages or update system only from time to time and thus don't need to update cache every day. man-db as it is now depends on systemd

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-20 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 08:56:19PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: But again, I am not sure I understand what is going on here. Is systemd now optional in Fedora? I guess to some degree everything is optional in one way or another. It's certainly the init system we are using. I think the

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-20 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 20.10.14 15:08, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 08:56:19PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: But again, I am not sure I understand what is going on here. Is systemd now optional in Fedora? I guess to some degree everything is optional in one

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Jan Chaloupka
Forwarding Colin's response = On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 09:47:41AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Jan Chaloupka jchal...@redhat.com said: there has been a discussion about if we need cache for man-db for users which use man pages or update system

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 16.10.2014 v 10:35 Jan Chaloupka napsal(a): Forwarding Colin's response = On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 09:47:41AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Jan Chaloupka jchal...@redhat.com said: there has been a discussion about if we need cache for man-db

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Jan Chaloupka
On 10/16/2014 12:56 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 16.10.2014 v 10:35 Jan Chaloupka napsal(a): Forwarding Colin's response = On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 09:47:41AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Jan Chaloupka jchal...@redhat.com said: there has been a

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Thu, 2014-10-16 at 13:34 +0200, Jan Chaloupka wrote: On 10/16/2014 12:56 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 16.10.2014 v 10:35 Jan Chaloupka napsal(a): Forwarding Colin's response [... snip ...] Have you considered installing the timer file, but without the dependency? If systemd is there, it

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 05:53:41PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I discussed this with Peter Schiffer and the end result was in the future the man-db cron should be removed and man-db database should be updated with rpm triggerand the cron job should be kept as is until then, presicecly

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/16/2014 12:03 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 05:53:41PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I discussed this with Peter Schiffer and the end result was in the future the man-db cron should be removed and man-db database should be updated with rpm triggerand the cron

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 01:54:41PM +0200, Mathieu Bridon wrote: Which goes back to the idea of either moving %{_unitdir} to the filesystem package, or having a systemd-filesystem package... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1153638 -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 16.10.2014 v 14:09 Matthew Miller napsal(a): On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 01:54:41PM +0200, Mathieu Bridon wrote: Which goes back to the idea of either moving %{_unitdir} to the filesystem package, or having a systemd-filesystem package... I can't see nothing against guidelines [1]. They says

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:35:13AM +0200, Jan Chaloupka wrote: Forwarding Colin's response = On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 09:47:41AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Jan Chaloupka jchal...@redhat.com said: there has been a discussion about if we need

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/16/2014 01:30 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:35:13AM +0200, Jan Chaloupka wrote: Forwarding Colin's response = On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 09:47:41AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Jan Chaloupka

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Jan Chaloupka
On 10/16/2014 04:49 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 10/16/2014 01:30 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:35:13AM +0200, Jan Chaloupka wrote: Forwarding Colin's response = On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 09:47:41AM -0500, Chris Adams

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/16/2014 05:10 PM, Jan Chaloupka wrote: Have you considered installing the timer file, but without the dependency? If systemd is there, it could use it, otherwise not. That would make a whole lot more sense to me than creating another package, and would be my recommendation. Nope,

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-15 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jan Chaloupka jchal...@redhat.com said: there has been a discussion about if we need cache for man-db for users which use man pages or update system only from time to time and thus don't need to update cache every day. man-db as it is now depends on systemd which brings

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-15 Thread Peter Schiffer
On 10/15/2014 04:47 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Jan Chaloupka jchal...@redhat.com said: there has been a discussion about if we need cache for man-db for users which use man pages or update system only from time to time and thus don't need to update cache every day. man-db as it is

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-15 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 05:12:07PM +0200, Peter Schiffer wrote: On 10/15/2014 04:47 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Jan Chaloupka jchal...@redhat.com said: there has been a discussion about if we need cache for man-db for users which use man pages or update system only from time to

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-15 Thread Ondrej Vasik
On Wed, 2014-10-15 at 18:01 +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 05:12:07PM +0200, Peter Schiffer wrote: On 10/15/2014 04:47 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Jan Chaloupka jchal...@redhat.com said: there has been a discussion about if we need cache for

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-15 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/15/2014 05:36 PM, Ondrej Vasik wrote: On Wed, 2014-10-15 at 18:01 +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 05:12:07PM +0200, Peter Schiffer wrote: On 10/15/2014 04:47 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Jan Chaloupka jchal...@redhat.com said: there has

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-15 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 07:36:49PM +0200, Ondrej Vasik wrote: On Wed, 2014-10-15 at 18:01 +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 05:12:07PM +0200, Peter Schiffer wrote: On 10/15/2014 04:47 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Jan Chaloupka