Re: tcp_wrappers deprecation

2017-08-24 Thread James Hogarth
On 24 August 2017 at 10:33, Peter Robinson wrote: > > On Tue, 2017-08-15 at 13:58 +0200, Jakub Jelen wrote: > >> Hello Fedora devels and users, > >> > >> more than three years ago, the same topic started discussion if we > >> want > >> this package in Fedora or not and how

Re: tcp_wrappers deprecation

2017-08-24 Thread Peter Robinson
> On Tue, 2017-08-15 at 13:58 +0200, Jakub Jelen wrote: >> Hello Fedora devels and users, >> >> more than three years ago, the same topic started discussion if we >> want >> this package in Fedora or not and how [1]. The discussion resulted >> mostly in flames and in the removal of the dependency

Re: tcp_wrappers deprecation

2017-08-24 Thread James Hogarth
On 18 Aug 2017 4:42 pm, "Jakub Jelen" wrote: On Tue, 2017-08-15 at 13:58 +0200, Jakub Jelen wrote: > Hello Fedora devels and users, > > more than three years ago, the same topic started discussion if we > want > this package in Fedora or not and how [1]. The discussion

Re: tcp_wrappers deprecation

2017-08-21 Thread Alexander Bokovoy
On ma, 21 elo 2017, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: "JJ" == Jakub Jelen writes: JJ> The denyhosts got last update also 10 years ago [2] and we already JJ> have quite much 2 alternatives that can do the same using firewalls, JJ> so it might be also a time to go for denyhosts. Or

Re: tcp_wrappers deprecation

2017-08-21 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "JJ" == Jakub Jelen writes: JJ> The denyhosts got last update also 10 years ago [2] and we already JJ> have quite much 2 alternatives that can do the same using firewalls, JJ> so it might be also a time to go for denyhosts. Or not, but clearly JJ> document that OpenSSH

Re: tcp_wrappers deprecation

2017-08-21 Thread Jakub Jelen
On Fri, 2017-08-18 at 13:15 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > For the record, denyhosts currently relies upon the tcp_wrappers > functionality in openssh to function. While it's possible to make it > manipulate the firewall as well, the whole situation is kind of a > mess. > (Does it talk to

Re: tcp_wrappers deprecation

2017-08-18 Thread R P Herrold
On Fri, 18 Aug 2017, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > Sadly I know how terrible tcp_wrappers is and so I know it needs to go > away. just because crows trying to protect their young will 'mob' a hawk hunting to feed her young does not make the hawk terrible; latest is not always greatest I

Re: tcp_wrappers deprecation

2017-08-18 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
For the record, denyhosts currently relies upon the tcp_wrappers functionality in openssh to function. While it's possible to make it manipulate the firewall as well, the whole situation is kind of a mess. (Does it talk to firewalld? What if you're not running firewalld?) Sadly I know how

Re: tcp_wrappers deprecation

2017-08-18 Thread Dan Horák
On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 17:42:21 +0200 Jakub Jelen wrote: > On Tue, 2017-08-15 at 13:58 +0200, Jakub Jelen wrote: > > Hello Fedora devels and users, > > > > more than three years ago, the same topic started discussion if we > > want > > this package in Fedora or not and how [1].

Re: tcp_wrappers deprecation

2017-08-18 Thread Jakub Jelen
On Tue, 2017-08-15 at 13:58 +0200, Jakub Jelen wrote: > Hello Fedora devels and users, > > more than three years ago, the same topic started discussion if we > want > this package in Fedora or not and how [1]. The discussion resulted > mostly in flames and in the removal of the dependency on

Re: tcp_wrappers deprecation

2017-08-17 Thread Jakub Jelen
On Wed, 2017-08-16 at 12:10 -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On 16 August 2017 at 05:44, Tomas Mraz wrote: > > > On 08/16/2017 11:37 AM, Michal Sekletar wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Jakub Jelen > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So can

Re: tcp_wrappers deprecation

2017-08-16 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 16 August 2017 at 05:44, Tomas Mraz wrote: > On 08/16/2017 11:37 AM, Michal Sekletar wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Jakub Jelen wrote: > > > >> > >> So can we discuss it now once more without the affiliation to systemd? > >> The fact is that

Re: tcp_wrappers deprecation

2017-08-16 Thread Tomas Mraz
On 08/16/2017 11:37 AM, Michal Sekletar wrote: > On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Jakub Jelen wrote: > >> >> So can we discuss it now once more without the affiliation to systemd? >> The fact is that we still do not have any other replacement except >> firewalls. But do we

Re: tcp_wrappers deprecation

2017-08-16 Thread Michal Sekletar
On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Jakub Jelen wrote: > > So can we discuss it now once more without the affiliation to systemd? > The fact is that we still do not have any other replacement except > firewalls. But do we need one? > IIRC, in the past discussion there was quite