Re: User session printing

2012-03-10 Thread Tim Waugh
On Fri, 2012-03-09 at 08:21 -0900, Jef Spaleta wrote: Back to the use case of a primarily single user laptop touching multiple networks on a daily basis. For that situation is it expected that the default print server will still be the laptop's own cup server for networked printers?

Re: User session printing

2012-03-09 Thread Tim Waugh
On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 09:52 -0900, Jef Spaleta wrote: 2012/3/8 Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz: The lazy answer to both is fail, or not, the same way as cups currently fails, or not (in fact, could the session printing service simply be cups that treats the system instance as another remote

Re: User session printing

2012-03-09 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 12:46 AM, Tim Waugh twa...@redhat.com wrote: Yes, exactly, and that is what I'm suggesting.  For printing entirely in the user session it is a case of using an alternative to using CUPS running on the local machine, so that means: a) no filters or drivers; the job

Re: User session printing

2012-03-08 Thread Tim Waugh
On Mon, 2012-03-05 at 12:02 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Tim Waugh (twa...@redhat.com) said: For things like cloud printing, where the print server is a hosted service somewhere out in the Internet, I think the applications should be talking directly to it (via the print dialog). For

Re: User session printing

2012-03-08 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Tim Waugh (twa...@redhat.com) said: For a plain network printer, where the printer might not be able to accept the job while it's busy processing others, you might have to queue the job and retry it later.  So if you are

Re: User session printing

2012-03-08 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Jef Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: 1) What if I've hopped networks since then and the print job that was que'd was on a printer that was only visible on the original network? 2) What if I've hopped networks and the old network and the new network have a

Re: User session printing

2012-03-08 Thread Jef Spaleta
2012/3/8 Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz: The lazy answer to both is fail, or not, the same way as cups currently fails, or not (in fact, could the session printing service simply be cups that treats the system instance as another remote server?). If we were looking for the lazy answer, we'd

Re: User session printing

2012-03-08 Thread Miloslav Trmač
as another remote server?). If we were looking for the lazy answer, we'd just not bother with queing at all. Right... I just wanted to make sure that any potential work on user session printing is not discouraged by adding requirements that are not currently satisfied with the system daemon

Re: User session printing

2012-03-08 Thread Jef Spaleta
2012/3/8 Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz: Right... I just wanted to make sure that any potential work on user session printing is not discouraged by adding requirements that are not currently satisfied with the system daemon. Of course. That wasn't meant as stop energy. If those situations have

Re: User session printing

2012-03-07 Thread Tim Waugh
Can't we just get the policy right so that users can add queues? Tim. */ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: User session printing

2012-03-06 Thread Nils Philippsen
On Mon, 2012-03-05 at 12:02 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Tim Waugh (twa...@redhat.com) said: For things like cloud printing, where the print server is a hosted service somewhere out in the Internet, I think the applications should be talking directly to it (via the print dialog). For

Re: User session printing

2012-03-06 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Nils Philippsen n...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 2012-03-05 at 12:02 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Tim Waugh (twa...@redhat.com) said: For things like cloud printing, where the print server is a hosted service somewhere out in the Internet, I think the

Re: User session printing

2012-03-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 6 mars 2012 14:53, Miloslav Trmač a écrit : This requires: * A network printer * ... that has a 300page paper tray, so it is clearly an industrial one ̌1. The standard paper tray for even the smallest laser is usually 250 pages, they are dirt cheap and a second paper tray is not

User session printing

2012-03-05 Thread Tim Waugh
(changing the subject line since this is a bit different from the original topic) On Sun, 2012-03-04 at 00:22 +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Another way to look at this issue is - if printers were maintained per-user (per-user, unprivileged cups daemon, per-user configuration, per-user print

Re: User session printing

2012-03-05 Thread Bill Nottingham
Tim Waugh (twa...@redhat.com) said: For things like cloud printing, where the print server is a hosted service somewhere out in the Internet, I think the applications should be talking directly to it (via the print dialog). For a plain network printer, where the printer might not be able to