Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-09-10 Thread Ian Malone
On 10 September 2013 06:45, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/09/2013 10:54 PM, Ian Malone wrote: Thank you for the put down. However, firstly I'm not referring to the fqdn issue, but the mention of dropping user name and secondly I'm not the administrator of all the

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-09-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 09.09.13 19:42, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: On 09/09/2013 07:30 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 21.08.13 18:45, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: And I have come across a bit of scalability issue due to us defaulting to using short

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-09-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 21.08.13 18:45, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: And I have come across a bit of scalability issue due to us defaulting to using short hostnames in login and command prompt when creating OS containers in any real numbers. I am pretty sure we should continue to default

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-09-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/09/2013 07:53 PM, Ian Malone wrote: I'd like to add myself as another datapoint for 'uses different users', and often via ssh. In any case, that bash prompt trick surely only works if applied to all user profiles or all systems being used. They already are quite different between

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-09-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 21.08.13 21:06, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: I would like us to change our default to use long hostname instead as in the fqdn or container01.ackme.com and would love any kind of feed back in that regard ( why we should not default to that ). +1 always good to show the

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-09-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/09/2013 08:05 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 09.09.13 19:42, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: On 09/09/2013 07:30 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 21.08.13 18:45, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: And I have come across a bit of scalability

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-09-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 22 August 2013 15:50, Ondrej Vasik ova...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 08:21 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com said: - The user@ is mostly useless; if you su/sudo to root, the character at the end of the prompt changes from

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-09-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/09/2013 07:30 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 21.08.13 18:45, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: And I have come across a bit of scalability issue due to us defaulting to using short hostnames in login and command prompt when creating OS containers in any real

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-09-09 Thread Simo Sorce
On Mon, 2013-09-09 at 21:30 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 21.08.13 18:45, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: And I have come across a bit of scalability issue due to us defaulting to using short hostnames in login and command prompt when creating OS containers in

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-09-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 09.09.13 18:30, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: Kerberos and x509 both require FQDNs. It makes no sense to stick to short names for servers, and having a FQDN on a laptop does not hurt anything (a FreeIPA enrolled laptop must have a FQDN anyway as it uses the keytab to do

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-09-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 September 2013 20:53, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/09/2013 07:53 PM, Ian Malone wrote: I'd like to add myself as another datapoint for 'uses different users', and often via ssh. In any case, that bash prompt trick surely only works if applied to all user profiles

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-09-09 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2013-09-10 at 00:35 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 09.09.13 18:30, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: Kerberos and x509 both require FQDNs. It makes no sense to stick to short names for servers, and having a FQDN on a laptop does not hurt anything (a FreeIPA enrolled

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-09-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/09/2013 10:54 PM, Ian Malone wrote: Thank you for the put down. However, firstly I'm not referring to the fqdn issue, but the mention of dropping user name and secondly I'm not the administrator of all the systems I use. I was simply trying to provide some user input here. My proposal is

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-08-22 Thread Ondrej Vasik
On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 18:45 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Greetings all After sitting Dan's Walsh Secure Linux Containers talk at flock where he mentioned him and Dan B. had successfully scaled application containers to what 8000 instances or so and I noticing that his slide where a

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-08-22 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings all After sitting Dan's Walsh Secure Linux Containers talk at flock where he mentioned him and Dan B. had successfully scaled application containers to what 8000 instances or so and I noticing that

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-08-22 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 08/22/2013 01:06 AM, Simo Sorce wrote: On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 18:45 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: snip I would like us to change our default to use long hostname instead as in the fqdn or container01.ackme.com and would love any kind of feed back in that regard ( why we should not

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-08-22 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 08/22/2013 09:10 AM, Ondrej Vasik wrote: On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 18:45 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: snip I perfectly understand the reasons for the change and I think we should definitely change it at least on the login screen (I like the one additional line idea from Simo). In the

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-08-22 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 08/22/2013 09:13 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: snip On cloud images we actually lock the root account so it's unusable. In the case of cloud providers the standard deployment is generally along the lines of either injecting ssh keys for root and unlocking it or creating a standard user account,

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-08-22 Thread Jonathan Dieter
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 10:39 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 08/22/2013 09:10 AM, Ondrej Vasik wrote: On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 18:45 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: snip I perfectly understand the reasons for the change and I think we should definitely change it at least on the

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-08-22 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 08/22/2013 11:03 AM, Jonathan Dieter wrote: On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 10:39 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 08/22/2013 09:10 AM, Ondrej Vasik wrote: On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 18:45 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: snip I perfectly understand the reasons for the change and I think we

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-08-22 Thread Jonathan Dieter
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 11:09 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: snip You would just overwrite in in your own .bashrc if you have long hostname and they get in your way. Yes, the same applies in the opposite direction. Long hostnames are far more practical for administrators to use then

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-08-22 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com said: You would just overwrite in in your own .bashrc if you have long hostname and they get in your way. Long hostnames are far more practical for administrators to use then short hostnames have ever been. That's your opinion;

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-08-22 Thread Ondrej Vasik
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 08:21 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com said: You would just overwrite in in your own .bashrc if you have long hostname and they get in your way. Long hostnames are far more practical for administrators to use then

Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-08-21 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
Greetings all After sitting Dan's Walsh Secure Linux Containers talk at flock where he mentioned him and Dan B. had successfully scaled application containers to what 8000 instances or so and I noticing that his slide where a bit dated due to the changes in croup I decided to have a look at

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-08-21 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: Now for those that are not familiar with our default using the short fqdn it cuts the fqdn at the highest level domain as in the first dot so in the sample case the login and command line promt is shown as

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-08-21 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 08/21/2013 08:22 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: Now for those that are not familiar with our default using the short fqdn it cuts the fqdn at the highest level domain as in the first dot so in the sample case the

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-08-21 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 18:45 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Greetings all After sitting Dan's Walsh Secure Linux Containers talk at flock where he mentioned him and Dan B. had successfully scaled application containers to what 8000 instances or so and I noticing that his slide where a