Adam Williamson writes:
>> > - don't auto-page;
>>
>> yes; that's the best solution. The auto-pager is perhaps the most
>> annoying feature of systemd. I have no problem in scrolling back some
>> pages in my terminal with shift-pgup, but having a status request block
>> (plain 'systemctl' or
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Lennart Poettering
wrote:
> On Thu, 18.10.12 14:05, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
>
>> journalctl -n500 -f
>>
>> (No space allowed after then -n.)
>
> The space thing is really annoying actually. glibc's getopt() insists on
> that for options s
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 08:30:43PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > journalctl -n500 -f
> > (No space allowed after then -n.)
> The space thing is really annoying actually. glibc's getopt() insists on
> that for options such as "-n" that have an optional argument (i.e. which
> appear as "n::"
> From: Reindl Harald
> Am 18.10.2012 20:05, schrieb Matthew Miller:
> > On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 07:46:46PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >> and i am doing "tail -n 500 -f /var/log/messages" or whatever
> >> logfle i want to watch since years because i want to see what
> >> happened before, can sc
Am 18.10.2012 20:05, schrieb Matthew Miller:
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 07:46:46PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> and i am doing "tail -n 500 -f /var/log/messages" or whatever
>> logfle i want to watch since years because i want to see what
>> happened before, can scroll up and watch what is going
On Thu, 18.10.12 14:05, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
> journalctl -n500 -f
>
> (No space allowed after then -n.)
The space thing is really annoying actually. glibc's getopt() insists on
that for options such as "-n" that have an optional argument (i.e. which
appear as "n::"
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 07:46:46PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> and i am doing "tail -n 500 -f /var/log/messages" or whatever
> logfle i want to watch since years because i want to see what
> happened before, can scroll up and watch what is going on
This will work *right now* with journald, with
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 01:50:38PM -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
> BTW, I hope that journald will allow doing the equivalent of
> tail -f /var/log/**
That is effectively what 'journalctl -f' does by default.
> This would be tricky during the transition when some programs will
> still use /var/l
Am 18.10.2012 19:29, schrieb Adam Williamson:
> On Thu, 2012-10-18 at 10:35 +0200, Enrico Scholz wrote:
>> Matthew Miller writes:
>>
>>> - don't auto-page;
>>
>> yes; that's the best solution. The auto-pager is perhaps the most
>> annoying feature of systemd. I have no problem in scrolling b
On 10/18/2012 01:41 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
On 10/18/2012 01:29 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Okay, so with the old system, I don't recall *ever* doing
'cat /var/log/messages'. I always, always either less'ed it or grep'ped
...
Did/do you usually less /var/log/messages? Or did you usually c
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 01:41:59PM -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
> >Okay, so with the old system, I don't recall *ever* doing
> >'cat /var/log/messages'. I always, always either less'ed it or grep'ped
> >Did/do you usually less /var/log/messages? Or did you usually cat it?
> >>Or, do you want tha
On 10/18/2012 01:29 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Okay, so with the old system, I don't recall *ever* doing
'cat /var/log/messages'. I always, always either less'ed it or grep'ped
...
Did/do you usually less /var/log/messages? Or did you usually cat it?
Or, do you want that e.g. the 'ls -l' out
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Enrico Scholz
wrote:
> Hence, the systemd tools should follow Unix/Linux tradition and specialize
> on their core functionality and avoid implementing "features" breaking
> user experience.
FWIW, it's not only implicit tradition: (info standards 'Program
Behavior
On Thu, 2012-10-18 at 10:35 +0200, Enrico Scholz wrote:
> Matthew Miller writes:
>
> > - don't auto-page;
>
> yes; that's the best solution. The auto-pager is perhaps the most
> annoying feature of systemd. I have no problem in scrolling back some
> pages in my terminal with shift-pgup, but
On 2012-10-18 11:35, Enrico Scholz wrote:
> Hence, the systemd tools should follow Unix/Linux tradition and specialize
> on their core functionality and avoid implementing "features" breaking
> user experience. There are other tools like 'less' which are much better
> suited for paging program ou
Matthew Miller writes:
> - don't auto-page;
yes; that's the best solution. The auto-pager is perhaps the most
annoying feature of systemd. I have no problem in scrolling back some
pages in my terminal with shift-pgup, but having a status request block
(plain 'systemctl' or 'journalctl' reque
Again, this is with the prefix that this isn't a big deal; it's a matter of
polish. But, here's the difference between `man` and `git log` automatically
sending output to a pager:
Man is a document reader. When you run it, you start at the top and read
down. A pager is natural.
The git log comman
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