On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 18:23:49 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 18:08 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
The intended usage of test list has always been a problem. Once in a
while, somebody points that out, but there's nobody (no leadership) to
work on a change actively. Is
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 04:02:23PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
The people who've pointed out the confusion about which list to choose
when haven't drunk away their memory and could join here, but that will be
fruitless if an instance such as FESCo decides otherwise.
So, here's what I'd like
On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:17:14 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
I would think that if we are in a situation where people who do development
don't subscribe to the devel list because of 'energy' reasons
(disillusionment, feelings of either a) pointlessness b) fait-accompli,
etc.), then just moving
On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 16:02 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
The split and intended usage has been questioned by several community
members for many years, even already when the lists where still on Red
Hat's servers.
Locating such comments with a search engine isn't easy.
On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 10:48 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 04:02:23PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
The people who've pointed out the confusion about which list to choose
when haven't drunk away their memory and could join here, but that will be
fruitless if an
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:40:28 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
Ever since I've joined,
which is ohgod nearly five years ago now, the split has seemed
reasonably clear and non-controversial, and I really can't recall anyone
being particularly confused about it, so perhaps this is a problem which
On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 21:43 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:40:28 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
Ever since I've joined,
which is ohgod nearly five years ago now, the split has seemed
reasonably clear and non-controversial, and I really can't recall anyone
being
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:54:27 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
I'm sure the docs team talks about stuff in Rawhide occasionally too;
Unlike devel, the docs list is related to Documentation only, isn't it?
Could you imagine turning devel into a less general list?
Is devel the catch-all for anything
On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 23:08 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:54:27 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
I'm sure the docs team talks about stuff in Rawhide occasionally too;
Unlike devel, the docs list is related to Documentation only, isn't it?
Could you imagine turning
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:41:12AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
mailman topics/keywords features to sort into meaningful sub-categories. I
understand that hyperkitty will make this nice and easy, but it's also not
really very hard just as email. Note that you can subscribe to just certain
On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 17:41 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
I'd love to hear better suggestions the main problem seems to be it's
so busy no one goes there anymore.
There is a rather obvious gaping logical flaw in that one ;)
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On Oct 25, 2013 3:09 PM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:54:27 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
I'm sure the docs team talks about stuff in Rawhide occasionally too;
Unlike devel, the docs list is related to Documentation only, isn't it?
Could you imagine
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:41 PM, Matthew Miller
mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:41:12AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
mailman topics/keywords features to sort into meaningful sub-categories. I
understand that hyperkitty will make this nice and easy, but it's also
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 16:02:44 -0600, Pete Travis wrote:
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:54:27 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
I'm sure the docs team talks about stuff in Rawhide occasionally too;
Unlike devel, the docs list is related to Documentation only, isn't it?
Could you imagine turning
On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 02:11 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
Adam says that devel is relevant to *developers* (or rather, packagers).
Yet there is the packaging list, too. Quote from Oct 16th:
I don't know whether this belongs to the packaging or devel list,
Now to me, THAT seems like a
On 10/25/2013 04:48 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 04:02:23PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
The people who've pointed out the confusion about which list to choose
when haven't drunk away their memory and could join here, but that will be
fruitless if an instance such as
On 10/26/2013 02:14 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 02:11 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
Adam says that devel is relevant to *developers* (or rather, packagers).
Yet there is the packaging list, too. Quote from Oct 16th:
I don't know whether this belongs to the packaging or
On 10/25/2013 11:55 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 17:41 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
I'd love to hear better suggestions the main problem seems to be it's
so busy no one goes there anymore.
There is a rather obvious gaping logical flaw in that one ;)
Not quite.
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 18:08 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
The intended usage of test list has always been a problem. Once in a
while, somebody points that out, but there's nobody (no leadership) to
work on a change actively. Is it only for Test releases or also for
Rawhide? Its description
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 17:34 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 10/21/2013 05:25 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
So, discussing Test Updates for stable dist releases belongs onto which
list?
According to some in the QA community ( at least in the past ) any GA
release test topic ( like
On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 07:01 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 10/21/2013 07:48 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:07:25 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
As a first step, I suggest clearing up the intended usage of devel list.
There's too much traffic on that list. 792 messages
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 08:26:54PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
Correct. Less lists (or the same lists) and with a more well-defined
target group and description.
So, in the not so far future, we'll have mailman3 and hyperkitty, and we
want to migrate the lists to that. That switchover point
Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) said:
As a first step, I suggest clearing up the intended usage of devel
list. There's too much traffic on that list. 792 messages so far in
October. Even if one uses filtering, the recurring task of skimming
over the devel list folder is tiresome, since it's
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 01:42:37AM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
A few years ago we've been much better at talking about things and
coming to a conclusion. Nowadays I have the feeling the community
is fragmented too much. With some people avoiding mailing-lists like
the plague, some people
On 21 October 2013 07:52, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 01:42:37AM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
A few years ago we've been much better at talking about things and
coming to a conclusion. Nowadays I have the feeling the community
is fragmented too
On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 09:52:32 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
A few years ago we've been much better at talking about things and
coming to a conclusion. Nowadays I have the feeling the community
is fragmented too much. With some people avoiding mailing-lists like
the plague, some people
On 10/21/2013 04:08 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
The intended usage of test list has always been a problem. Once in a
while, somebody points that out, but there's nobody (no leadership) to
work on a change actively. Is it only for Test releases or also for
Rawhide? Its description is vague. Is
On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 18:08:09 +0200
Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 09:52:32 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
A few years ago we've been much better at talking about things and
coming to a conclusion. Nowadays I have the feeling the
community is fragmented
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote:
Good idea. What items could we move to announce that would be more
useful for folks that don't have as much time/energy to skim the main
list?
I'm assuming you're referring to the devel-announce list, and not the
general
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 06:08:09PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
I have this same feeling. I think we need to fix it; do you have any
thoughts or ideas as to how?
If people hate email lists in general (or the number of messages posted
to them), it cannot be fixed.
Hmmm; I don't know if
On 10/21/2013 06:08 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 09:52:32 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
A few years ago we've been much better at talking about things and
coming to a conclusion. Nowadays I have the feeling the community
is fragmented too much. With some people avoiding
On 21 October 2013 11:08, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:00:59AM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
Don't we have this same conversation every two years? With pretty much
the
same questions and feeling of disconnectedness? We fix a couple of
On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:23:29 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
The intended usage of test list has always been a problem. Once in a
while, somebody points that out, but there's nobody (no leadership) to
work on a change actively. Is it only for Test releases or also for
Rawhide? Its
On 10/21/2013 05:25 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
So, discussing Test Updates for stable dist releases belongs onto which
list?
According to some in the QA community ( at least in the past ) any GA
release test topic ( like update testing ) belongs on the user list.
JBG
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Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
According to some in the QA community ( at least in the past ) any GA release
test topic ( like update testing ) belongs on the user list.
If that's true then the updates-testing mail for N and N-1 need to go to the
user list.
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On 10/21/2013 05:44 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
According to some in the QA community ( at least in the past ) any GA
release
test topic ( like update testing ) belongs on the user list.
If that's true then the updates-testing mail for N and N-1 need to go
to
On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:07:25 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
As a first step, I suggest clearing up the intended usage of devel list.
There's too much traffic on that list. 792 messages so far in October.
This is way down from the peak 5-7 years ago.
What is the reason? More people avoiding
On 21 October 2013 11:48, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:07:25 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
As a first step, I suggest clearing up the intended usage of devel
list.
There's too much traffic on that list. 792 messages so far in October.
This is way
On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 19:16:53 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 10/21/2013 06:08 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 09:52:32 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
A few years ago we've been much better at talking about things and
coming to a conclusion. Nowadays I have the feeling the
On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:57:06 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
I am not saying shut-up but I am saying that I am confused by what you
mean. First you seem to advocate more lists,
That could be a misunderstanding. Have I've phrased something very poorly.
Then please tell and give me a chance
On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 17:47:12 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 10/21/2013 05:44 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
According to some in the QA community ( at least in the past ) any GA
release
test topic ( like update testing ) belongs on the user list.
On 10/21/2013 07:48 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:07:25 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
As a first step, I suggest clearing up the intended usage of devel list.
There's too much traffic on that list. 792 messages so far in October.
This is way down from the peak 5-7 years
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