Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-07-07 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 07/06/2012 10:54 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: If dnsmasq is already running, NM will probably not mess with it. Try disabling it from start at boot and allow NM to manage the process. If dnsmasq is running and listening on 127.0.0.1, the dnsmasq instance started by NetworkManager will fail to

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-07-06 Thread Neal Becker
Dan Williams wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 16:24 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, Simo Sorce wrote: There are at least 2 situations where it is needed, and they are common or will be common enough. The 2 use cases for which a properly configurable and dynamically

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-07-06 Thread Neal Becker
Jesse Keating wrote: On 06/20/2012 09:57 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 12:21 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) said: Of course for this to work properly we need some level of integration between Network Manager and the DNS caching server so that

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-07-06 Thread Neal Becker
Neal Becker wrote: Jesse Keating wrote: On 06/20/2012 09:57 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 12:21 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) said: Of course for this to work properly we need some level of integration between Network Manager and the DNS

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-07-05 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 06/20/2012 12:06 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: So I just gave this a try. Already had dnsmasq installed so I just edited the config file and restarted the NetworkManager service. Then connected to my VPN. It. Just. Works. Amazing! Not only does it just work for resolution, but it also

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-07-02 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2012-06-22 at 09:46 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Jeu 21 juin 2012 01:09, Dan Williams a écrit : I spent some time looking at this today. NM already has plugins for dnsmasq and a long-since-dead one for bind. We can certainly add a plugin for dnssec-trigger or even unbound

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-07-02 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 19:45 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, Dan Williams wrote: I spent some time looking at this today. NM already has plugins for dnsmasq and a long-since-dead one for bind. We can certainly add a plugin for dnssec-trigger or even unbound itself as

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 20 juin 2012 17:47, Simo Sorce a écrit : The 2 use cases for which a properly configurable and dynamically changeable caching DNA name server would be really useful are: - DNSSEC verification - Clients using VPNs into private networks. 3. ISP has junk DNS services and bypassing them

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 21 juin 2012 01:09, Dan Williams a écrit : I spent some time looking at this today. NM already has plugins for dnsmasq and a long-since-dead one for bind. We can certainly add a plugin for dnssec-trigger or even unbound Which is a mess. How many DNS services do we need on a single

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-21 Thread Dan Winship
On 06/20/2012 07:09 PM, Dan Williams wrote: (also, an aside: why the heck do resolvconf and dnssec-trigger require an interface name??? DNS information has nothing do with network interfaces, despite some DNS info coming from interface-specific sources like DHCP...) resolvconf requires an

Re: DNS handling was Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-21 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 16:42 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: Install dnssec-trigger, start the dnssec-trigger panel application and please give me feedback! Especially when you experience dns failures at hotspots. There are so many different kinds of broken dns out there, I'm sure we need to do more

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-21 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 09:32 -0400, Dan Winship wrote: On 06/20/2012 07:09 PM, Dan Williams wrote: (also, an aside: why the heck do resolvconf and dnssec-trigger require an interface name??? DNS information has nothing do with network interfaces, despite some DNS info coming from

Re: DNS handling was Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-21 Thread Paul Wouters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/21/2012 10:44 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 16:42 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: Install dnssec-trigger, start the dnssec-trigger panel application and please give me feedback! Especially when you experience dns failures

default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Simo Sorce
Ok, I guess this topic has been brought up before, but I think some things changed recently that would warrant seriously considering adding a default caching name server in fedora installs. There are at least 2 situations where it is needed, and they are common or will be common enough. The 2

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:47:17 -0400 Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: Ok, I guess this topic has been brought up before, but I think some things changed recently that would warrant seriously considering adding a default caching name server in fedora installs. ...snip... Discuss. You can

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 10:01 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:47:17 -0400 Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: Ok, I guess this topic has been brought up before, but I think some things changed recently that would warrant seriously considering adding a default caching name

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:05:57 -0400 Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: Yes this is all good 'n' nice. The point is, can we/should we/want we make this the default ? (And work on integrating NM - unbound automatic configuration ?) I'd be in favor of that. ;) I don't want to speak for the

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Bill Nottingham
Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) said: Of course for this to work properly we need some level of integration between Network Manager and the DNS caching server so that the dynamic configurations can be pushed in/out when the related networks come up/down. Discuss. man NetworkManager.conf:

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 12:21 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) said: Of course for this to work properly we need some level of integration between Network Manager and the DNS caching server so that the dynamic configurations can be pushed in/out when the related

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Jesse Keating
On 06/20/2012 09:57 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 12:21 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) said: Of course for this to work properly we need some level of integration between Network Manager and the DNS caching server so that the dynamic

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread John Ellson
Simo, For the VPN scenario I've been happily using dnrd for some time. I use it to steer DNS requests for mycompany.com to the company's DNS servers, and all other DNS requests to the external servers. Unlike just adding the company DNS servers to /etc/resolv.conf, this never uses the

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, Simo Sorce wrote: There are at least 2 situations where it is needed, and they are common or will be common enough. The 2 use cases for which a properly configurable and dynamically changeable caching DNA name server would be really useful are: - DNSSEC verification -

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Connect your vpn, etc. Then tell unbound what you want it to do: unbound-control forward_add redhat.com x.x.x.x y.y.y.y unbound-control forward_add yourdomain z.z.z.z (unbound-control gives you a lot of control, you can flush cache, setup forward, see

DNS handling was Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Paul Wouters
People have might missed it before, but Fedora does a lot now with handling the various DNS manglings it can encounter in the wild. If you install dnssec-trigger from rawhide, then your DNS will be automatically configured using DNSSEC and with as much security as possible, while detecting

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 10:19 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:05:57 -0400 Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: Yes this is all good 'n' nice. The point is, can we/should we/want we make this the default ? (And work on integrating NM - unbound automatic configuration ?)

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 16:24 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, Simo Sorce wrote: There are at least 2 situations where it is needed, and they are common or will be common enough. The 2 use cases for which a properly configurable and dynamically changeable caching DNA name

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, Dan Williams wrote: I spent some time looking at this today. NM already has plugins for dnsmasq and a long-since-dead one for bind. We can certainly add a plugin for dnssec-trigger or even unbound itself as well. The mechanism by which dnssec-trigger currently interfaces