Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-28 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 25.1.2013 00:02, Kevin Fenzi napsal(a): On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:09:57 +0100 Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Dne 24.1.2013 14:40, Bruno Wolff III napsal(a): On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 13:06:21 +0100, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: It definitely depends on package. I should

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-27 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 20:27:55 -0700, Orion Poplawski or...@cora.nwra.com wrote: Doing more than one asks in certain situations sounds bad, but how about: fn: fedpkg build --and-newer Does: fedpkg build loop: fedpkg switch-branch fn+1 (or master) git merge fn git push fedpkg build goto

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-27 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:34:57 -0500 Ben Boeckel maths...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 19:48:25 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Seems complex. For the logic, the delay part, or a likely implementation? Yes. ;) Would it run on the client or on the server side? I was thinking

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-27 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 20:27:55 -0700 Orion Poplawski or...@cora.nwra.com wrote: Doing more than one asks in certain situations sounds bad, but how about: fn: fedpkg build --and-newer Does: fedpkg build loop: fedpkg switch-branch fn+1 (or master) git merge fn git push fedpkg

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-26 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 05:49:25 + (UTC) Ben Boeckel maths...@gmail.com wrote: Looking at this, how about a simple rule about what makes a fedpkg build cascade up: While the next higher branch has the same version, but older pre-dist release number, merge --ff-only and trigger a build if one

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-26 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 01/25/2013 10:49 PM, Ben Boeckel wrote: Looking at this, how about a simple rule about what makes a fedpkg build cascade up: While the next higher branch has the same version, but older pre-dist release number, merge --ff-only and trigger a build if one is not created within an hour of the

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-26 Thread Ben Boeckel
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 19:48:25 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Seems complex. For the logic, the delay part, or a likely implementation? Would it run on the client or on the server side? I was thinking server side at first, but maybe we could have fedpkg detect this and ask if it's wanted when

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-25 Thread Ben Boeckel
On Thu, 24 Jan, 2013 at 02:41:50 GMT, Kevin Fenzi wrote: % bodhi -L systemd f16-updates systemd-37-25.fc16 f16-updates-candidate systemd-37-25.fc16 f16-updates-testing systemd-37-25.fc16 f17-updates-candidate systemd-44-22.fc17 f17-updates-testing

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-24 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 04:31:03 +0100 Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: You know, I really dislike packaging things. I love hacking. If I package something then that's an ugly side effect of what I really want to do. And thus I'd spend as little time on packaging as I can. Ask for

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-24 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 23.1.2013 22:38, Lennart Poettering napsal(a): On Wed, 23.01.13 14:20, Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) wrote: I know we have discussed this before, but I've filed a FESCo ticket to ask them one way or another about the issue: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1005 Feedback welcome. If

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-24 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:38:00AM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: And I disagree with this proposal. It is mixed for me. Sometimes, I'd like to update in Rawhide, especially if the freeze is taking long, while in other cases, I need to do some bugfix in my packages which is found during testing

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-24 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 24.1.2013 11:22, Richard W.M. Jones napsal(a): On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:38:00AM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: And I disagree with this proposal. It is mixed for me. Sometimes, I'd like to update in Rawhide, especially if the freeze is taking long, while in other cases, I need to do some

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-24 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 01/24/2013 04:31 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 24.01.13 03:54, Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:38:30PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 23.01.13 14:20, Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) wrote: I know we have discussed this before, but I've

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-24 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 13:06:21 +0100, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: It definitely depends on package. I should be the one who knows about my packages the best if there is some breaking potential. Every time you don't do an update in rawhide and rely on inheritence, the changes

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-24 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 01:06:21PM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 24.1.2013 11:22, Richard W.M. Jones napsal(a): The flip side of this is that when you *don't* build in Rawhide you potentially push work and breakage to somebody else. Your package may not build in Rawhide, leaving someone else

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-24 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 24.1.2013 14:40, Bruno Wolff III napsal(a): On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 13:06:21 +0100, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: It definitely depends on package. I should be the one who knows about my packages the best if there is some breaking potential. Every time you don't do an update

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 24.01.13 08:27, Frank Murphy (frankl...@gmail.com) wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 04:31:03 +0100 Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: You know, I really dislike packaging things. I love hacking. If I package something then that's an ugly side effect of what I really want

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 24.01.13 10:22, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:38:00AM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: And I disagree with this proposal. It is mixed for me. Sometimes, I'd like to update in Rawhide, especially if the freeze is taking long, while in other

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-24 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 06:07:08PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 24.01.13 10:22, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:38:00AM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: And I disagree with this proposal. It is mixed for me. Sometimes, I'd like to update

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-24 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:09:57 +0100 Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Dne 24.1.2013 14:40, Bruno Wolff III napsal(a): On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 13:06:21 +0100, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: It definitely depends on package. I should be the one who knows about my packages

drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
I know we have discussed this before, but I've filed a FESCo ticket to ask them one way or another about the issue: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1005 Feedback welcome. If you are a maintainer who doesn't have a minute to do a rawhide build during the branched cycle, would you be open

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-23 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 23.01.13 14:20, Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) wrote: I know we have discussed this before, but I've filed a FESCo ticket to ask them one way or another about the issue: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1005 Feedback welcome. If you are a maintainer who doesn't have a minute

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-23 Thread drago01
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: I know we have discussed this before, but I've filed a FESCo ticket to ask them one way or another about the issue: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1005 Feedback welcome. If you are a maintainer who doesn't have a

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-23 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 22:38:30 +0100, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: Oh, yeah, let's make it even more work to update a package. Because we have so much free time, let's let humans do what computers could do better. What if there were was an automated process that did the

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-23 Thread Tom Lane
Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to writes: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 22:38:30 +0100, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: I'd propose instead that mass branching goes away entirely, and the master branch too. This is kind of how things work now at a repo level. There are a couple of

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-23 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 23.01.13 20:59, Tom Lane (t...@redhat.com) wrote: Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to writes: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 22:38:30 +0100, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: I'd propose instead that mass branching goes away entirely, and the master branch too. This is

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:22:18 +0100 Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: Well, I fully acknowledge that haveing the same sources for the distros should not imply to have the same binaries. However, that's really something to solve on the build scripts level. Or in other words, as

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-23 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:38:30PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 23.01.13 14:20, Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) wrote: I know we have discussed this before, but I've filed a FESCo ticket to ask them one way or another about the issue:

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-23 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 24.01.13 03:54, Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:38:30PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 23.01.13 14:20, Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) wrote: I know we have discussed this before, but I've filed a FESCo ticket to ask them one way or

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-23 Thread Dan Horák
Kevin Fenzi píše v St 23. 01. 2013 v 19:41 -0700: On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:22:18 +0100 Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: Well, I fully acknowledge that haveing the same sources for the distros should not imply to have the same binaries. However, that's really something to