Re: dropping %systemd_requires from most packages (guidelines change and mass package update proposal)

2019-05-10 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 08:21:24AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 5:27 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 04:56:25PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 10:02 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi,

Re: dropping %systemd_requires from most packages (guidelines change and mass package update proposal)

2019-05-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 5:27 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 04:56:25PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 10:02 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > let's drop the requirement and ordering on systemd (as

Re: dropping %systemd_requires from most packages (guidelines change and mass package update proposal)

2019-05-10 Thread Japheth Cleaver
On 5/9/2019 4:14 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 2:40 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: Also, if for some reason I don't grok one absolutely needs to use the exact same spec file for Fedora 31+ and EPEL7 (which is based on F19), than keeping the dependency as it is now

Re: dropping %systemd_requires from most packages (guidelines change and mass package update proposal)

2019-05-09 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 2:40 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > Also, if for some reason I don't grok one absolutely needs to use the > exact same spec file for Fedora 31+ and EPEL7 (which is based on F19), > than keeping the dependency as it is now is also an option. One extra > unneeded

Re: dropping %systemd_requires from most packages (guidelines change and mass package update proposal)

2019-05-09 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 04:56:25PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 10:02 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > let's drop the requirement and ordering on systemd (as implemented by > > %systemd_requires) from packages which provide systemd units. > > > >

Re: dropping %systemd_requires from most packages (guidelines change and mass package update proposal)

2019-05-09 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 10:02 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > Hi, > > let's drop the requirement and ordering on systemd (as implemented by > %systemd_requires) from packages which provide systemd units. > In general, I think this idea has some solid foundation. But I think it'd be

Re: dropping %systemd_requires from most packages (guidelines change and mass package update proposal)

2019-05-09 Thread Rex Dieter
Miro Hrončok wrote: >> So long as EPEL (and Rawhide, tbh) are under the aegis of Fedora, it >> would be nice at least /some/ effort was made not to toss over >> incompatible changes, or a broad need for dist conditionals, across the >> package ecosystem with such cavilerity. > > It's called

Re: dropping %systemd_requires from most packages (guidelines change and mass package update proposal)

2019-05-09 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 07:56:22PM +0200, Björn 'besser82' Esser wrote: > Am Donnerstag, den 09.05.2019, 10:21 -0700 schrieb Japheth Cleaver: > > On 5/9/2019 7:46 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > > On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 09:19:32AM -0500, Mátyás Selmeci wrote: > > > > On 5/9/19 9:00 AM,

Re: dropping %systemd_requires from most packages (guidelines change and mass package update proposal)

2019-05-09 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 08:12:15PM +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 09. 05. 19 19:21, Japheth Cleaver wrote: > >On 5/9/2019 7:46 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >>On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 09:19:32AM -0500, Mátyás Selmeci wrote: > >>>On 5/9/19 9:00 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >

Re: dropping %systemd_requires from most packages (guidelines change and mass package update proposal)

2019-05-09 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 09. 05. 19 19:21, Japheth Cleaver wrote: On 5/9/2019 7:46 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 09:19:32AM -0500, Mátyás Selmeci wrote: On 5/9/19 9:00 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: Hi, let's drop the requirement and ordering on systemd (as implemented by

Re: dropping %systemd_requires from most packages (guidelines change and mass package update proposal)

2019-05-09 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 09. 05. 19 16:19, Mátyás Selmeci wrote: On 5/9/19 9:00 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: Hi, let's drop the requirement and ordering on systemd (as implemented by %systemd_requires) from packages which provide systemd units. I now filed [1], which removes the recommendation to use

Re: dropping %systemd_requires from most packages (guidelines change and mass package update proposal)

2019-05-09 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 1:57 PM Björn 'besser82' Esser wrote: > > Am Donnerstag, den 09.05.2019, 10:21 -0700 schrieb Japheth Cleaver: > > On 5/9/2019 7:46 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > > On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 09:19:32AM -0500, Mátyás Selmeci wrote: > > > > On 5/9/19 9:00 AM,

Re: dropping %systemd_requires from most packages (guidelines change and mass package update proposal)

2019-05-09 Thread Björn 'besser82' Esser
Am Donnerstag, den 09.05.2019, 10:21 -0700 schrieb Japheth Cleaver: > On 5/9/2019 7:46 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 09:19:32AM -0500, Mátyás Selmeci wrote: > > > On 5/9/19 9:00 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > let's drop the

Re: dropping %systemd_requires from most packages (guidelines change and mass package update proposal)

2019-05-09 Thread Japheth Cleaver
On 5/9/2019 7:46 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 09:19:32AM -0500, Mátyás Selmeci wrote: On 5/9/19 9:00 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: Hi, let's drop the requirement and ordering on systemd (as implemented by %systemd_requires) from packages which

Re: dropping %systemd_requires from most packages (guidelines change and mass package update proposal)

2019-05-09 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 09:19:32AM -0500, Mátyás Selmeci wrote: > On 5/9/19 9:00 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > Hi, > > > > let's drop the requirement and ordering on systemd (as implemented by > > %systemd_requires) from packages which provide systemd units. > > > > I now filed [1],

Re: dropping %systemd_requires from most packages (guidelines change and mass package update proposal)

2019-05-09 Thread Mátyás Selmeci
On 5/9/19 9:00 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > Hi, > > let's drop the requirement and ordering on systemd (as implemented by > %systemd_requires) from packages which provide systemd units. > > I now filed [1], which removes the recommendation to use %systemd_requires. > Quoting from

dropping %systemd_requires from most packages (guidelines change and mass package update proposal)

2019-05-09 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
Hi, let's drop the requirement and ordering on systemd (as implemented by %systemd_requires) from packages which provide systemd units. I now filed [1], which removes the recommendation to use %systemd_requires. Quoting from that ticket: Nowadays systemd.rpm does a preset-all call when it is