Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-03-10 Thread drago01
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-2922/libreoffice-4.2.1.1-1.fc20?_csrf_token=a6a024f6e2d35ad3fb8666c1244e215a6aa2 how can people pretend installation went smoothly, no issue detected during

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-03-10 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.03.2014 20:18, schrieb drago01: On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-2922/libreoffice-4.2.1.1-1.fc20?_csrf_token=a6a024f6e2d35ad3fb8666c1244e215a6aa2 how can people pretend installation went

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-03-10 Thread drago01
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 10.03.2014 20:18, schrieb drago01: On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-03-10 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.03.2014 20:35, schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 10.03.2014 20:18, schrieb drago01: On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-03-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2014-03-10 at 20:18 +0100, drago01 wrote: On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-2922/libreoffice-4.2.1.1-1.fc20?_csrf_token=a6a024f6e2d35ad3fb8666c1244e215a6aa2 how can people pretend

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-03-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2014-03-10 at 20:40 +0100, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 10.03.2014 20:18, schrieb drago01: On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-03-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 09:07 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 02:18 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Miloslav Trmač wrote: I fully agree with you testers giving +1 is not even close to proper validation, but what alternative to get proper validation do you propose as an

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-03-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Michael Catanzaro wrote: Or requiring min time in updates-testing (2-3 days) before an autokarma-assisted push. Please no even more complex heuristics! The system is already hard enough to understand as is. Just turn the flawed heuristics off. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 02:18 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Miloslav Trmač wrote: I fully agree with you testers giving +1 is not even close to proper validation, but what alternative to get proper validation do you propose as an improvement? Dropping autokarma would replace broken validation

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 09:07 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 02:18 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Miloslav Trmač wrote: I fully agree with you testers giving +1 is not even close to proper validation, but what alternative to get proper validation do you propose as an

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Christopher Meng wrote: Kevin, I think you are talking about releasing models... I'm talking about having the maintainer actually OK the push to stable after having checked the situation (or at least he/she is supposed to have checked it!), rather than letting the update go out automatically

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-27 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 02:18 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: But again, I think that even with no other policy change, just removing the karma automatism misfeature from Bodhi would be an improvement. Or requiring min time in updates-testing (2-3 days) before an autokarma-assisted push.

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-27 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.02.2014 03:54, schrieb Michael Catanzaro: On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 02:18 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: But again, I think that even with no other policy change, just removing the karma automatism misfeature from Bodhi would be an improvement. Or requiring min time in updates-testing (2-3

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
Miloslav Trmač wrote: I fully agree with you testers giving +1 is not even close to proper validation, but what alternative to get proper validation do you propose as an improvement? Dropping autokarma would replace broken validation with *no* validation; that's not an improvement. The

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2014-02-24 at 05:16 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: I really don't know why you make these suggestions. I mean, you must know no-one is going to reply Why, Kevin! What a brilliant idea! We'll do so immediately!, so what's the point? Why not? That's the only

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-26 Thread Christopher Meng
Kevin, I think you are talking about releasing models... -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-25 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-02-24 5:16 GMT+01:00 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at: It is very obvious that autokarma is NOT working. It is causing way more breakage than direct stable pushes (or manual pushes with too little karma) ever caused. If direct stable pushes (or manual pushes with too little karma)

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.02.2014 04:59, schrieb Kevin Kofler: Reindl Harald wrote: how can people pretend installation went smoothly, no issue detected during basic document manipulation for packages which are not installable at all due dependencie problems? Indeed, people giving +1 after manually installing

exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread Reindl Harald
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-2922/libreoffice-4.2.1.1-1.fc20?_csrf_token=a6a024f6e2d35ad3fb8666c1244e215a6aa2 how can people pretend installation went smoothly, no issue detected during basic document manipulation for packages which are not installable at all due

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread Michał Piotrowski
Hi, Maybe they didn't have any issues? 2014-02-23 18:12 GMT+01:00 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-2922/libreoffice-4.2.1.1-1.fc20?_csrf_token=a6a024f6e2d35ad3fb8666c1244e215a6aa2 how can people pretend installation went

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread Susi Lehtola
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:12:55 +0100 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-2922/libreoffice-4.2.1.1-1.fc20?_csrf_token=a6a024f6e2d35ad3fb8666c1244e215a6aa2 how can people pretend installation went smoothly, no issue detected during

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread Reindl Harald
that is impossible libreoffice-core is affected by a broken dependency frankly i have the koji repo endabled (look at the bottom) so the only option to explain teh positive karma is a login on bodhi, don't care about the installed version and for what one is giving karma (there where more

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread Christopher Meng
Let's test this one asap to prevent epoch(if you want): https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/libcmis-0.4.1-2.fc20,mdds-0.10.2-1.fc20 Last weekend bodhi seemed very slow on processing updates, so I downloaded and installed from koji by myself. -- devel mailing list

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread drago01
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: that is impossible libreoffice-core is affected by a broken dependency frankly i have the koji repo endabled (look at the bottom) I have no idea what the koji repo is but

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On 02/24/2014 12:12 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-2922/libreoffice-4.2.1.1-1.fc20?_csrf_token=a6a024f6e2d35ad3fb8666c1244e215a6aa2 how can people pretend installation went smoothly, no issue detected during basic document manipulation for

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.02.2014 18:33, schrieb Christopher Meng: Let's test this one asap to prevent epoch(if you want): https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/libcmis-0.4.1-2.fc20,mdds-0.10.2-1.fc20 Last weekend bodhi seemed very slow on processing updates, so I downloaded and installed from koji by

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread drago01
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Michel Alexandre Salim sali...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On 02/24/2014 12:12 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-2922/libreoffice-4.2.1.1-1.fc20?_csrf_token=a6a024f6e2d35ad3fb8666c1244e215a6aa2 how can people

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.02.2014 18:35, schrieb drago01: On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: that is impossible libreoffice-core is affected by a broken dependency frankly i have the koji repo endabled (look at the bottom) I have no idea what the koji repo is but

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.02.2014 18:36, schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 23.02.2014 18:33, schrieb Christopher Meng: Let's test this one asap to prevent epoch(if you want): https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/libcmis-0.4.1-2.fc20,mdds-0.10.2-1.fc20 Last weekend bodhi seemed very slow on processing updates, so

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread Theodore Lee
On 24/02/14 06:29, Susi Lehtola wrote: On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:12:55 +0100 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-2922/libreoffice-4.2.1.1-1.fc20?_csrf_token=a6a024f6e2d35ad3fb8666c1244e215a6aa2 how can people pretend installation

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.02.2014 22:40, schrieb Theodore Lee: On 24/02/14 06:29, Susi Lehtola wrote: On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:12:55 +0100 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread drago01
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 23.02.2014 22:40, schrieb Theodore Lee: On 24/02/14 06:29, Susi Lehtola wrote: On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:12:55 +0100 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread Jon
My apologies on the slow bodhi updates last week. There were a number of complications the past week related to the work flow of bodhi updates. Took me a while to resolve some problems, and see the updates to completion. At least twice the updates push failed due to older NVR's in updates-testing

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2014-02-23 at 23:33 +0100, drago01 wrote: and no you have to apologize from the maintainer does change that if the maintainers would run a baisc virtual machine consuming ordinary repos without manual overrides such mistakes would be recognized by them.. Well the

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2014-02-24 at 01:33 +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: Let's test this one asap to prevent epoch(if you want): https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/libcmis-0.4.1-2.fc20,mdds-0.10.2-1.fc20 Last weekend bodhi seemed very slow on processing updates, so I downloaded and installed from

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Sun, 2014-02-23 at 18:36 +0100, drago01 wrote: On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Michel Alexandre Salim sali...@fedoraproject.org wrote: One potential workflow bug with this karmic automatic-push-to-stable: under the normal time-delayed path, any editing of the build reverts the package

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2014-02-23 at 18:12 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-2922/libreoffice-4.2.1.1-1.fc20?_csrf_token=a6a024f6e2d35ad3fb8666c1244e215a6aa2 how can people pretend installation went smoothly, no issue detected during basic document

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread Christopher Meng
On 2/24/14, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: Christopher, Harald's going overboard with his emphasis as usual, but he is correct that you should take extra care when giving karma if you don't get the update from the updates-testing repository. In future, please do be careful to check

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: Thanks for bringing this up. I've written to each of the people who provided positive feedback asking them to be careful in giving feedback for updates before they reach updates-testing in future and providing some information on the requirements for dependencies in

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2014-02-24 at 04:44 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: Thanks for bringing this up. I've written to each of the people who provided positive feedback asking them to be careful in giving feedback for updates before they reach updates-testing in future and providing

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread Kevin Kofler
Reindl Harald wrote: how can people pretend installation went smoothly, no issue detected during basic document manipulation for packages which are not installable at all due dependencie problems? Indeed, people giving +1 after manually installing dependencies (!!!) from Koji (for a package

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

2014-02-23 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: I really don't know why you make these suggestions. I mean, you must know no-one is going to reply Why, Kevin! What a brilliant idea! We'll do so immediately!, so what's the point? Why not? That's the only reply that possibly makes sense. It is very obvious that