Obsoleted packages in repositories (was: grub (v1) in f18?)

2012-12-21 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 12/07/2012 07:59 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: Are there other obsoleted packages in the F18 repo? Here's what I see on F18, it's quite a pile: 4ti2-1.3.2-12.fc18.x86_64 anyremote2html-1.4-4.fc18.noarch chktex-1.6.4-11.fc18.x86_64 classads-1.0.8-5.fc18.i686 classads-1.0.8-5.fc18.x86_64

Re: Obsoleted packages in repositories (was: grub (v1) in f18?)

2012-12-21 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 10:55:15 +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: On 12/07/2012 07:59 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: Are there other obsoleted packages in the F18 repo? Here's what I see on F18, it's quite a pile: qxmpp-dev-0.6.3.1-1.fc18.i686 qxmpp-dev-0.6.3.1-1.fc18.x86_64

Re: Obsoleted packages in repositories (was: grub (v1) in f18?)

2012-12-21 Thread Jerry James
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:55 AM, Panu Matilainen pmati...@laiskiainen.org wrote: Here's what I see on F18, it's quite a pile: [snip] latexmk-4.35-1.fc18.noarch This one should not be obsoleted. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=868996. I'd appreciate Jindrich doing something

Re: Obsoleted packages in repositories (was: grub (v1) in f18?)

2012-12-21 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 08:19:58AM -0700, Jerry James wrote: pmati...@laiskiainen.org wrote: Here's what I see on F18, it's quite a pile: [snip] latexmk-4.35-1.fc18.noarch This one should not be obsoleted. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=868996. I'd appreciate Jindrich

Re: Obsoleted packages in repositories (was: grub (v1) in f18?)

2012-12-21 Thread Jerry James
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 08:19:58AM -0700, Jerry James wrote: pmati...@laiskiainen.org wrote: Here's what I see on F18, it's quite a pile: [snip] latexmk-4.35-1.fc18.noarch This one should not be obsoleted. See

Re: Obsoleted packages in repositories (was: grub (v1) in f18?)

2012-12-21 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 08:55:22AM -0700, Jerry James wrote: Here's what I see on F18, it's quite a pile: latexmk-4.35-1.fc18.noarch This one should not be obsoleted. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=868996. I'd appreciate Jindrich doing something about that before

Re: Obsoleted packages in repositories (was: grub (v1) in f18?)

2012-12-21 Thread Jerry James
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 08:55:22AM -0700, Jerry James wrote: Sorry, it must be too early in the morning for my brain to work properly. What would I be asking FESCO to do? Decide between the two redundant and

Re: Obsoleted packages in repositories (was: grub (v1) in f18?)

2012-12-21 Thread Jerry James
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: Well, IMHO reading the bug it just sounds like to me a mistake was made and the obsoletes/conflicts was not removed as intended: +* Sun Nov 4 2012 Jindrich Novy jn...@redhat.com 2012-5-20121024 +- don't conflict with latexmk

Re: Obsoleted packages in repositories (was: grub (v1) in f18?)

2012-12-21 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:55:15AM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: Here's what I see on F18, it's quite a pile: I made a Rel-Eng ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5427 -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list

Re: grub (v1) in f18?

2012-12-11 Thread Alek Paunov
Hi Rich, On 07.12.2012 18:54, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Well this is a more general question about virtualization. I agree that it's sometimes more convenient to use an external kernel and initrd to boot a guest, and libvirt supports this mode (see the kernel and initrd in libvirt XML). But:

Re: grub (v1) in f18?

2012-12-07 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 12/07/2012 09:41 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2012-12-06 at 16:48 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 6, 2012, at 3:25 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 10:02:20PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 03:34:23PM -0500,

Re: grub (v1) in f18?

2012-12-07 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 10:56:44AM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: I haven't experienced this with F16, F17 or so far F18. What I'm seeing is: yum install/update grub gets me grub legacy. yum install/update grub-efi gets me grub legacy efi. yum install/update grub2 gets me grub2. yum

Re: grub (v1) in f18?

2012-12-07 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 12/07/2012 05:26 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 10:56:44AM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: I haven't experienced this with F16, F17 or so far F18. What I'm seeing is: yum install/update grub gets me grub legacy. yum install/update grub-efi gets me grub legacy efi. yum

Re: grub (v1) in f18?

2012-12-07 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 03:25:21PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 03:34:23PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: The grub2 package obsoletes grub, so there's no way to actually _use_ the older package,

Re: grub (v1) in f18?

2012-12-07 Thread John Reiser
On 12/07/2012 08:49 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: Yes, I think we're both trying to say the same thing: there's no point having 'grub' in the repositories as its not installable or usable in practise. The same goes for bunch of other obsoleted packages as well. yum is not the only tool

Re: grub (v1) in f18?

2012-12-07 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 09:29:28AM -0800, John Reiser wrote: Yes, I think we're both trying to say the same thing: there's no point having 'grub' in the repositories as its not installable or usable in practise. The same goes for bunch of other obsoleted packages as well. yum is not the

Re: grub (v1) in f18?

2012-12-07 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 06:49:25PM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: My comment was simply on the if you have both part: it's not really possible to have both without playing dirty tricks, so even the if is pretty moot. My point is that it's not really possible to have *grub* without playing

Re: grub (v1) in f18?

2012-12-07 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 12/07/2012 07:59 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 06:49:25PM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: My comment was simply on the if you have both part: it's not really possible to have both without playing dirty tricks, so even the if is pretty moot. My point is that it's not

Re: grub (v1) in f18?

2012-12-07 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 7, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 03:25:21PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: Why is a boot manager needed for a virtualized guest? It seems like all you need is to point to a virtual disk (or current or past snapshot) and go

Re: grub (v1) in f18?

2012-12-07 Thread John Reiser
On 12/07/2012 11:42 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: ext[234] has two boot sectors for a total of 1024 bytes. XFS has none. Btrfs has 64KB. It just seems like GRUB is a really familiar 4000 meter cargo train, compared to an unfamiliar hand truck, for the task of moving half-dozen boxes. Maybe

grub (v1) in f18?

2012-12-06 Thread Matthew Miller
The grub2 package obsoletes grub, so there's no way to actually _use_ the older package, but it's still in the tree. Is there a reason? -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: grub (v1) in f18?

2012-12-06 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 03:34:23PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: The grub2 package obsoletes grub, so there's no way to actually _use_ the older package, but it's still in the tree. Is there a reason? Yes,

Re: grub (v1) in f18?

2012-12-06 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 10:02:20PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 03:34:23PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: The grub2 package obsoletes grub, so there's no way to actually _use_ the older package, but it's still in the tree. Is there a reason? Yes, virtualization.

Re: grub (v1) in f18?

2012-12-06 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 6, 2012, at 3:25 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 10:02:20PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 03:34:23PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: The grub2 package obsoletes grub, so there's no way to actually _use_ the older

Re: grub (v1) in f18?

2012-12-06 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2012-12-06 at 16:48 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 6, 2012, at 3:25 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 10:02:20PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 03:34:23PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: The grub2 package obsoletes