Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2013-01-04 Thread Joel Rees
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 2012-12-31 at 15:01 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: As discussed in the bug, if systemd-localed is doing 'fuzzy matching' it may be the case that we actually get a decent match for most layouts, I'll have to do

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2013-01-03 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 01.01.13 10:48, Joel Rees (joel.r...@gmail.com) wrote: On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 1:03 AM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Mon, 31.12.12 07:38, John Reiser (jrei...@bitwagon.com) wrote: Cool, then write a sane tool that converts them online that doesn't pull in

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2013-01-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2012-12-31 at 15:01 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: As discussed in the bug, if systemd-localed is doing 'fuzzy matching' it may be the case that we actually get a decent match for most layouts, I'll have to do more testing. But the situation is clearly different to the F17 one in that

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2013-01-01 Thread Joel Rees
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 1:03 AM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Mon, 31.12.12 07:38, John Reiser (jrei...@bitwagon.com) wrote: Cool, then write a sane tool that converts them online that doesn't pull in Perl and whatnot, Is 'awk' available? 'sed'? 'bash'? (I'm not

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-31 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sun, 30.12.12 17:53, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote: It's not a shortcoming of the classic console keymap system It's a shortcoming of using a separate layout source for the console. Cool, then write a sane tool that converts them online that doesn't pull in Perl and

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-31 Thread John Reiser
Cool, then write a sane tool that converts them online that doesn't pull in Perl and whatnot, Is 'awk' available? 'sed'? 'bash'? (I'm not kidding. Some systems prefer 'dash', which lacks arrays and other hard-to-substitute features.) How much of 'python' is allowed? 'lua'? In other

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-31 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 31.12.12 07:38, John Reiser (jrei...@bitwagon.com) wrote: Cool, then write a sane tool that converts them online that doesn't pull in Perl and whatnot, Is 'awk' available? 'sed'? 'bash'? (I'm not kidding. Some systems prefer 'dash', which lacks arrays and other

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2012-12-30 at 17:53 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Also, it's hardly a regression in comparison to older Fedora... i18n has moved a long way since the 90's. Being stuck in the past may be not a regression but it's nothing to be proud of. In addition to this, though the number of

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-30 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 24 décembre 2012 12:56, Lennart Poettering a écrit : On Fri, 21.12.12 16:11, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: If I have everything right, anaconda is offering a keymap list that it derives from xkb. I'm having trouble counting precisely how many layouts it offers, but it

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 21.12.12 16:11, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: On Fri, 2012-12-21 at 16:57 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: The database is bitrotten and even it it wasn't most modern layouts do not exist kbd-side at all. Most layouts with perfect mapping are old legacy ascii

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-21 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 20.12.12 19:05, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote: The conversion (as systemd-localed calls it) works really poorly also for the Czech keymaps/layouts. 'cz' X11 layout is converted to 'cz-lat2' which works like 'us' until you hit the Pause Break key. This is

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-21 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-12-21 at 16:57 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: The database is bitrotten and even it it wasn't most modern layouts do not exist kbd-side at all. Most layouts with perfect mapping are old legacy ascii layouts. They are still in xkb-config for historical reasons but in many

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-21 Thread Ray Strode
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Sérgio Basto ser...@serjux.com wrote: On Qui, 2012-12-20 at 20:16 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: IIRC, an anaconda bug already exists (don't remember the number, I do remember answering some questions Mismo asked about the Debian system there) I need the

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-20 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 19 décembre 2012 22:57, Lennart Poettering a écrit : On Mon, 03.12.12 10:04, Vratislav Podzimek (vpodz...@redhat.com) wrote: The conversion (as systemd-localed calls it) works really poorly also for the Czech keymaps/layouts. 'cz' X11 layout is converted to 'cz-lat2' which works like

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi, On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: If you really want to support console keyboard layouts in systemd, you need to start generating console layouts from xkb-config, not adopt the old anaconda mapping bandaid Can you file a bug report against Anaconda and systemd?

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-20 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 20 décembre 2012 19:32, Rahul Sundaram a écrit : Hi, On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: If you really want to support console keyboard layouts in systemd, you need to start generating console layouts from xkb-config, not adopt the old anaconda mapping bandaid

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-20 Thread Bill Nottingham
Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) said: If you really want to support console keyboard layouts in systemd, you need to start generating console layouts from xkb-config, not adopt the old anaconda mapping bandaid There's already a bug for this, but the runtime perl dependencies it

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-20 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 20 décembre 2012 20:04, Bill Nottingham a écrit : Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) said: If you really want to support console keyboard layouts in systemd, you need to start generating console layouts from xkb-config, not adopt the old anaconda mapping bandaid There's

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-20 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Qui, 2012-12-20 at 20:16 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: IIRC, an anaconda bug already exists (don't remember the number, I do remember answering some questions Mismo asked about the Debian system there) I need the number Thanks , -- Sérgio M. B. -- devel mailing list

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-19 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 03.12.12 10:04, Vratislav Podzimek (vpodz...@redhat.com) wrote: The conversion (as systemd-localed calls it) works really poorly also for the Czech keymaps/layouts. 'cz' X11 layout is converted to 'cz-lat2' which works like 'us' until you hit the Pause Break key. This is really

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-04 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 12/04/2012 04:59 AM, Peter Hutterer wrote: On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 09:20:05AM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: On 12/02/2012 10:57 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 12:38 AM, Sérgio Basto ser...@serjux.com wrote: system-config-keyboard should do this: 1. Get the old

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-03 Thread Vratislav Podzimek
On Mon, 2012-12-03 at 09:20 +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: On 12/02/2012 10:57 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 12:38 AM, Sérgio Basto ser...@serjux.com wrote: system-config-keyboard should do this: 1. Get the old settings: cat /etc/sysconfig/keyboard 2. Set

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-03 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 09:20:05AM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: On 12/02/2012 10:57 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 12:38 AM, Sérgio Basto ser...@serjux.com wrote: system-config-keyboard should do this: 1. Get the old settings: cat /etc/sysconfig/keyboard 2.

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-02 Thread Oron Peled
On Saturday 01 December 2012 23:38:49 Sérgio Basto wrote: system-config-keyboard should do this: 1. Get the old settings: cat /etc/sysconfig/keyboard 2. Set the new settings: su -c 'localectl set-x11-keymap layout [model] [variant] [options]' 3. Remove the old

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-02 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 12:38 AM, Sérgio Basto ser...@serjux.com wrote: system-config-keyboard should do this: 1. Get the old settings: cat /etc/sysconfig/keyboard 2. Set the new settings: su -c 'localectl set-x11-keymap layout [model] [variant] [options]' 3. Remove the

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-02 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Dom, 2012-12-02 at 19:33 +0200, Oron Peled wrote: On Saturday 01 December 2012 23:38:49 Sérgio Basto wrote: system-config-keyboard should do this: 1. Get the old settings: cat /etc/sysconfig/keyboard 2. Set the new settings: su -c 'localectl set-x11-keymap layout [model]

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-02 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 12/02/2012 10:57 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 12:38 AM, Sérgio Basto ser...@serjux.com wrote: system-config-keyboard should do this: 1. Get the old settings: cat /etc/sysconfig/keyboard 2. Set the new settings: su -c 'localectl set-x11-keymap layout

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-01 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Sex, 2012-11-30 at 14:51 +0100, Jan Včelák wrote: On Friday 30 of November 2012 14:06:03, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: I guess now is used /etc/vconsole.conf. Could you add it into upgrade page if it works for you? Imho it's related to my previous question:

prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-11-30 Thread Jan Včelák
Hello list, what is the expected way of handling X11 keyboard layouts in Fedora 18? I don't use xorg.conf, the configuration was autodetected from /etc/sysconfig/keyboard (probably) till F17 and it worked just fine. After upgrading to F18 using yum method, my keyboard layout stopped working.

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-11-30 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 11/30/2012 01:33 PM, Jan Včelák wrote: Hello list, what is the expected way of handling X11 keyboard layouts in Fedora 18? I don't use xorg.conf, the configuration was autodetected from /etc/sysconfig/keyboard (probably) till F17 and it worked just fine. After upgrading to F18 using yum

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-11-30 Thread Jan Včelák
On Friday 30 of November 2012 14:06:03, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: I guess now is used /etc/vconsole.conf. Could you add it into upgrade page if it works for you? Imho it's related to my previous question: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/963 OK, I added an additional step to the

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-11-30 Thread Mary Ellen Foster
On 30 November 2012 12:33, Jan Včelák jvce...@redhat.com wrote: If 'localectl' is the only supported way, we should add this information to Upgrading Fedora using yum instructions on the wiki. The same with old kernel options. (I do not know how is this handled in the other upgrade methods.)

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-11-30 Thread Jan Včelák
On Friday 30 of November 2012 14:15:11, Mary Ellen Foster wrote: For what it's worth, I just upgraded with fedup and my keyboard went from UK English to US English. Just used system-config-keyboard to change it and that seemed to work ... I tried that and the change was not persistent. At