Re: services impact on startup times

2020-09-03 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Thu, Sep 03, 2020 at 11:25:59AM +0100, Peter Oliver wrote: > On Wed, 2 Sep 2020, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > What's meant is that people are still setting up scheduled tasks by running > > `crontab -e` and similar. > > I think most such users would quickly figure out they can `yum install

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-09-03 Thread Peter Oliver
On Wed, 2 Sep 2020, John M. Harris Jr wrote: What's meant is that people are still setting up scheduled tasks by running `crontab -e` and similar. I think most such users would quickly figure out they can `yum install /usr/bin/crontab`, though. -- Peter Oliver

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-09-03 Thread Peter Oliver
On Wed, 2 Sep 2020, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 1:09 pm, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: As for crond and atd, I think we can keep them installed by default, but inactive. I.e. make them socket activated or path activated, so that they are only started if people

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-09-02 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 6:27:22 AM MST Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 1:09 pm, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > As for crond and atd, I think we can keep them installed by default, > > but inactive. I.e. make them socket activated or path activated, so > >

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-09-02 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 6:09:26 AM MST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 09:27:33PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > These are based on Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-33-20200828.n.0.iso > > in a VM. The numbers are different on bare metal but

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-09-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2020-08-29 at 21:27 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > Hi, > > These are based on Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-33-20200828.n.0.iso > in a VM. The numbers are different on bare metal but correlate. > > The only standout is rngd.service. That's a pretty big single hit, > percentage wise. And I

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-09-02 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 1:09 pm, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: As for crond and atd, I think we can keep them installed by default, but inactive. I.e. make them socket activated or path activated, so that they are only started if people install actual crontabs or run at. I don't think

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-09-02 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 09:27:33PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > Hi, > > These are based on Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-33-20200828.n.0.iso > in a VM. The numbers are different on bare metal but correlate. > > The only standout is rngd.service. That's a pretty big single hit, > percentage

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-08-31 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Monday, August 31, 2020 7:01:12 AM MST Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > Things are in flux again and cron/atd has pretty much hit the end of the > road. What is this comment based on? Cron jobs are still standard. You have cron jobs no matter what unix-like you're on, and crontab follows a

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-08-31 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 09:39, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Monday, August 31, 2020 5:46:47 AM MST Peter Oliver wrote: > > > On Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:27:33 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > > > Unless systemd timers run crontab entries, crond and atd cannot be > > > disabled. > > > >

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-08-31 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Monday, August 31, 2020 5:46:47 AM MST Peter Oliver wrote: > > On Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:27:33 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > Unless systemd timers run crontab entries, crond and atd cannot be > > disabled. > > Why's that? > > Sure, crond should be enabled by default if installed,

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-08-31 Thread Peter Oliver
> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:27:33 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > Unless systemd timers run crontab entries, crond and atd cannot be disabled. Why's that? Sure, crond should be enabled by default if installed, but does it need to be installed by default in Workstation? We could convert

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-08-31 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:27:33 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > Hi, > > These are based on Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-33-20200828.n.0.iso > in a VM. The numbers are different on bare metal but correlate. > > The only standout is rngd.service. That's a pretty big single hit, > percentage

services impact on startup times

2020-08-29 Thread Chris Murphy
Hi, These are based on Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-33-20200828.n.0.iso in a VM. The numbers are different on bare metal but correlate. The only standout is rngd.service. That's a pretty big single hit, percentage wise. And I don't know if we even need it anymore. Among the rest, perhaps