Re: small logic issue with system upgrades

2024-05-28 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 5/28/24 6:54 AM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Why is the original poster saying that he is not able to reach the machine during the upgrade because of inability to fork sshd? I think you misunderstood. As far as I could tell he didn't have any issues. It was a theoretical question about

Re: small logic issue with system upgrades

2024-05-28 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 5/28/24 09:38, Samuel Sieb wrote: There is nothing to fix.  The ssh process has already loaded the libraries, so it won't crash if you replace them.  After you upgrade the libraries, you just need to restart it to get the new ones loaded.  Any existing connections will still be processes

Re: small logic issue with system upgrades

2024-05-28 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 5/28/24 12:14 AM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: The interesting topic on the table is the robustness (or lack of) of the sshd daemon during an upgrade of its binaries and libraries. That daemon is critical for remotely managed systems and the developers usually take care of the implementation

Re: small logic issue with system upgrades

2024-05-28 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 5/25/24 08:47, Tomasz Torcz wrote: Dnia Fri, May 24, 2024 at 01:33:44PM +0200, Marius Schwarz napisał(a): Am 24.05.24 um 12:01 schrieb Roberto Ragusa: Why can't sshd fork a new instance? you have ask the sshd devs. First guess: they do not use fork(). The whole premise of this

Re: small logic issue with system upgrades

2024-05-25 Thread Tomasz Torcz
Dnia Fri, May 24, 2024 at 01:33:44PM +0200, Marius Schwarz napisał(a): > Am 24.05.24 um 12:01 schrieb Roberto Ragusa: > > On 5/22/24 16:33, Marius Schwarz wrote: > > > > > So, atm, the server has a sshd that says, that openssl is newer as > > > the required openssl version. It does not start it

Re: small logic issue with system upgrades

2024-05-24 Thread Marius Schwarz
Am 24.05.24 um 12:01 schrieb Roberto Ragusa: On 5/22/24 16:33, Marius Schwarz wrote: So, atm, the server has a sshd that says, that openssl is newer as the required openssl version. It does not start it nor can the running sshd, that runs the upgrade connection, fork a new instance. In other

Re: small logic issue with system upgrades

2024-05-24 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 5/22/24 16:33, Marius Schwarz wrote: So, atm, the server has a sshd that says, that openssl is newer as the required openssl version. It does not start it nor can the running sshd, that runs the upgrade connection, fork a new instance. In other words: no login possible to rescue or

Re: small logic issue with system upgrades

2024-05-23 Thread Marius Schwarz
Short summery: we just talk about a small improvement. It works like it is now, but risks can me minimized with small adaptions to the package sort order in dnf while upgrading. Am 23.05.24 um 06:14 schrieb Peter Boy: I'm under the impression, there is a small misunderstanding here: The

Re: small logic issue with system upgrades

2024-05-22 Thread Peter Boy
> Am 23.05.2024 um 00:29 schrieb Marius Schwarz : > > Am 22.05.24 um 17:48 schrieb Alexander Sosedkin: >> On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 4:34 PM Marius Schwarz >> wrote: >> >>> Were you following the steps outlined in >>> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/upgrading-fedora-offline ?

Re: small logic issue with system upgrades

2024-05-22 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 5/22/24 3:29 PM, Marius Schwarz wrote: Am 22.05.24 um 17:48 schrieb Alexander Sosedkin: On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 4:34 PM Marius Schwarz wrote: Were you following the steps outlined in https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/upgrading-fedora-offline ? I'm under the impression,

Re: small logic issue with system upgrades

2024-05-22 Thread Marius Schwarz
Am 22.05.24 um 17:48 schrieb Alexander Sosedkin: On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 4:34 PM Marius Schwarz wrote: Were you following the steps outlined in https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/upgrading-fedora-offline ? I'm under the impression, there is a small misunderstanding here: The

Re: small logic issue with system upgrades

2024-05-22 Thread Alexander Sosedkin
On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 4:34 PM Marius Schwarz wrote: > ATM I'm upgrading a remote server from F38 to F39 via SSH login. > > The bash runs a screen, so if ssh or the network dies, the upgrade can > continue. > > I just noticed that even if it keeps running, it's useless because > openssl und

small logic issue with system upgrades

2024-05-22 Thread Marius Schwarz
Hi, ATM I'm upgrading a remote server from F38 to F39 via SSH login. The bash runs a screen, so if ssh or the network dies, the upgrade can continue. I just noticed that even if it keeps running, it's useless because openssl und openssh do not get upgraded after another. So, atm, the