Am 20.02.2012 21:19, schrieb Miloslav Trmač:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org wrote:
/usr/share in our general understanding not to be used for
package-private things.
Who is we? This is in direct conflict with the FHS:
Any program or package which contains
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Harald Hoyer harald.ho...@gmail.com wrote:
Am 20.02.2012 21:19, schrieb Miloslav Trmač:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org wrote:
There is no reason to have
/usr/share/pkgdir/ and /usr/lib/pkgdir, even LSB specifies that
only a
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 09:17:30PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 20:18, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 06:30:11PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 20.02.12 09:25, Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) wrote:
This sounds like
Am 21.02.12 14:37, schrieb Miloslav Trmač:
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Harald Hoyer harald.ho...@gmail.com wrote:
Am 20.02.2012 21:19, schrieb Miloslav Trmač:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org wrote:
There is no reason to have
/usr/share/pkgdir/ and
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Harald Hoyer harald.ho...@gmail.com wrote:
Am 21.02.12 14:37, schrieb Miloslav Trmač:
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Harald Hoyer harald.ho...@gmail.com
wrote:
Am 20.02.2012 21:19, schrieb Miloslav Trmač:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Kay Sievers
On Fri, 17.02.12 10:46, Nathaniel McCallum (nathan...@natemccallum.com) wrote:
I'm a fan of systemd [1]. And although I didn't like the fact that unit
files were stored in /lib, I understood the rationale since there was no
/share. However, I've just recently discovered [2] that after UsrMove
Le Lun 20 février 2012 13:02, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
Something similar applies to udev rules and similar almost code bits.
But yeah, I know people will disagree with us on this.
Lennart , you realise, do you, that people are unlikely to fix the historical
exceptions they've benefited
On Mon, 20.02.12 13:32, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote:
Le Lun 20 février 2012 13:02, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
Something similar applies to udev rules and similar almost code bits.
But yeah, I know people will disagree with us on this.
Lennart , you realise,
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 13:51, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Mon, 20.02.12 13:32, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote:
Le Lun 20 février 2012 13:02, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
Something similar applies to udev rules and similar almost code bits.
But
On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 13:51 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
This isn't really a new exception for me. There's a ton of files
that
are not strictly arch dependent in bin, lib, libexec. Shell scripts,
Python scripts, udev rules, pkg-config files, a ton of rpm files, LSB
symlinks, Java files,
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 01:02:11PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Fri, 17.02.12 10:46, Nathaniel McCallum (nathan...@natemccallum.com) wrote:
I'm a fan of systemd [1]. And although I didn't like the fact that unit
files were stored in /lib, I understood the rationale since there was no
On Mon, 20.02.12 09:25, Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 01:02:11PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Fri, 17.02.12 10:46, Nathaniel McCallum (nathan...@natemccallum.com)
wrote:
I'm a fan of systemd [1]. And although I didn't like the fact that
On Feb 20, 2012 6:25 PM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote:
This sounds like the unit files belong in %{_libdir} now? However, that
would mean that they can't go into noarch packages. So we probably need
to
know a little more about just how architecture dependent these unit files
can
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 06:30:11PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 20.02.12 09:25, Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 01:02:11PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Fri, 17.02.12 10:46, Nathaniel McCallum (nathan...@natemccallum.com)
wrote:
Le Lun 20 février 2012 18:18, Nils Philippsen a écrit :
On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 13:51 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
This isn't really a new exception for me. There's a ton of files
that
are not strictly arch dependent in bin, lib, libexec. Shell scripts,
Python scripts, udev rules,
Le Lun 20 février 2012 18:50, Kay Sievers a écrit :
On Feb 20, 2012 6:25 PM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote:
Udev rules and systemd units belong to the installed daemon. This daemon
can only exist exactly one single time, and never be installed by multilib
packages, hence they do
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 20:42, Nicolas Mailhot
nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote:
Le Lun 20 février 2012 18:50, Kay Sievers a écrit :
On Feb 20, 2012 6:25 PM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote:
Udev rules and systemd units belong to the installed daemon. This daemon
can only exist
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 20:18, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 06:30:11PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 20.02.12 09:25, Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) wrote:
This sounds like the unit files belong in %{_libdir} now? However, that
would
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org wrote:
/usr/share in our general understanding not to be used for
package-private things.
Who is we? This is in direct conflict with the FHS:
Any program or package which contains or requires data that doesn't
need to be
Le Lun 20 février 2012 21:07, Kay Sievers a écrit :
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 20:42, Nicolas Mailhot
nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote:
Le Lun 20 février 2012 18:50, Kay Sievers a écrit :
On Feb 20, 2012 6:25 PM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote:
Udev rules and systemd units belong
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org wrote:
The general rule for $libdir is that it is reserved for shared objects
and their directly associated files like pkgconfig files.
No, that's not at all what the FHS says. Please don't claim that any
suggested meaning,
Le Lun 20 février 2012 21:20, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :
Le Lun 20 février 2012 21:07, Kay Sievers a écrit :
I couldn't disagree more.
/usr/share in our general understanding not to be used for
package-private things.
But those files are not package-private! Even ignoring the example I
2012/2/20 Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org wrote:
The general rule for $libdir is that it is reserved for shared objects
and their directly associated files like pkgconfig files.
No, that's not at all what the FHS says.
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org wrote:
2012/2/20 Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org wrote:
The general rule for $libdir is that it is reserved for shared objects
and their directly associated files
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 21:25, Nicolas Mailhot
nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote:
Le Lun 20 février 2012 21:20, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :
Le Lun 20 février 2012 21:07, Kay Sievers a écrit :
I couldn't disagree more.
/usr/share in our general understanding not to be used for
package-private
I'm a fan of systemd [1]. And although I didn't like the fact that unit
files were stored in /lib, I understood the rationale since there was no
/share. However, I've just recently discovered [2] that after UsrMove unit
files will be stored in /usr/lib. Can we not do better than this? And I'd
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:46:58AM -0500, Nathaniel McCallum wrote:
I'm a fan of systemd [1]. And although I didn't like the fact that unit files
were stored in /lib, I understood the rationale since there was no /share.
However, I've just recently discovered [2] that after UsrMove unit files
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:46:58AM -0500, Nathaniel McCallum wrote:
I'm a fan of systemd [1]. And although I didn't like the fact that unit
files
were stored in /lib, I understood the rationale since there was no
On 02/17/2012 04:48 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
Yeah -- so I see three options -- move systemd unit files to /usr/share,
revert /usr/move, change rpmlint (or a fourth -- ignore this warning for f17
and move systemd unit files to /usr/share for f18).
Which are you advocating?
If you are going
Am 17.02.2012 18:00, schrieb Nathaniel McCallum:
Move systemd unit files to /usr/share and provide simple logic to fall back
/lib, so as not to break upgrades with
custom unit files. I am certainly not advocating a bad user experience. If
the schedule doesn't permit it, I'm ok
with
2012/2/17 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com
On 02/17/2012 04:48 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
Yeah -- so I see three options -- move systemd unit files to /usr/share,
revert /usr/move, change rpmlint (or a fourth -- ignore this warning for
f17
and move systemd unit files to /usr/share
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.netwrote:
Am 17.02.2012 18:00, schrieb Nathaniel McCallum:
Move systemd unit files to /usr/share and provide simple logic to fall
back /lib, so as not to break upgrades with
custom unit files. I am certainly not advocating
Am 17.02.2012 18:09, schrieb Nathaniel McCallum:
2012/2/17 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com
mailto:johan...@gmail.com
On 02/17/2012 04:48 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
Yeah -- so I see three options -- move systemd unit files to
/usr/share,
revert
On 02/17/2012 05:09 PM, Nathaniel McCallum wrote:
Sure, as time permits and when such can be done without harming user
experience.
Why bother only with unit files? Users never touch those the ones in
/lib/systemd/system or /usr/lib/systemd/system anyway so there is no
breakage for them...
Am 17.02.2012 18:16, schrieb Nathaniel McCallum:
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net
mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 17.02.2012 18:00, schrieb Nathaniel McCallum:
Move systemd unit files to /usr/share and provide simple logic to fall
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.netwrote:
Am 17.02.2012 18:09, schrieb Nathaniel McCallum:
2012/2/17 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com mailto:
johan...@gmail.com
On 02/17/2012 04:48 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
Yeah -- so I see
Am 17.02.2012 18:20, schrieb Nathaniel McCallum:
Sure, as time permits and when such can be done without harming user
experience.
FOR WHAT REASON?
such changes do ALWAYS harming user experience
why?
becaus eoperating systems are (or where it seems) made to give
On Fri, 2012-02-17 at 17:17 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 02/17/2012 05:09 PM, Nathaniel McCallum wrote:
Sure, as time permits and when such can be done without harming user
experience.
Why bother only with unit files? Users never touch those the ones in
/lib/systemd/system
On 2012-02-17 10:28, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
On Fri, 2012-02-17 at 17:17 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 02/17/2012 05:09 PM, Nathaniel McCallum wrote:
Sure, as time permits and when such can be done without harming
user
experience.
Why bother only with unit files? Users never
On Feb 17, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Nathaniel McCallum wrote:
Tone down the rhetoric please.
I'm no expert, but I think the UsrMove issue has pushed some people beyond
anxiety disorder. MDMA or diazepam would probably have a higher efficacy than
more emails on the subject.
Chris Murphy--
devel
Le Ven 17 février 2012 18:02, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson a écrit :
On 02/17/2012 04:48 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
Yeah -- so I see three options -- move systemd unit files to /usr/share,
revert /usr/move, change rpmlint (or a fourth -- ignore this warning for f17
and move systemd unit files to
Le Ven 17 février 2012 18:40, Adam Williamson a écrit :
On 2012-02-17 10:28, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
Well, as we discussed the other day on IRC, we pretty much all agreed
that it's not in the spirit of the FHS to have these files in /lib
or /usr/lib. The only reason they were ever in /lib
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 06:25:23PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 17.02.2012 18:20, schrieb Nathaniel McCallum:
Sure, as time permits and when such can be done without harming user
experience.
FOR WHAT REASON?
such changes do ALWAYS harming user experience
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