Re: wayland in rawhide

On 30 November 2015 at 12:29, Steve Clark wrote: > On 11/26/2015 06:32 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> On 25 November 2015 at 22:01, Adam Williamson >> wrote: >> >>> The wiki page explaining the GNOME-on-Wayland approach to middle-button >>> paste

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On 11/26/2015 06:32 AM, Ian Malone wrote: On 25 November 2015 at 22:01, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2015-11-25 at 15:40 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 11/25/2015 03:25 PM, drago01 wrote: On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Adam Williamson

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On 25 November 2015 at 22:01, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2015-11-25 at 15:40 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote: >> On 11/25/2015 03:25 PM, drago01 wrote: >> > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Adam Williamson >> > wrote: >> > > On Fri,

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Ian Malone wrote: > This would actually be quite a productivity killer for me, not just > the lack of middle-button paste[1], but also removing a separate > copy-buffer. It is seriously useful to be able to carry around > multiple pieces of text, particularly if you're going to need to > keeping

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On Wed, 2015-11-25 at 15:40 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > On 11/25/2015 03:25 PM, drago01 wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Adam Williamson > > wrote: > > > On Fri, 2015-11-20 at 14:34 +, Ian Malone wrote: > > > > [1] Apparently middle mouse buttons

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On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2015-11-20 at 14:34 +, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> [1] Apparently middle mouse buttons are rare. I'm in an office > > This seems an odd assertion [...] Its not odd ... its plain wrong. -- devel mailing

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On 11/25/2015 03:25 PM, drago01 wrote: On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2015-11-20 at 14:34 +, Ian Malone wrote: [1] Apparently middle mouse buttons are rare. I'm in an office This seems an odd assertion [...] Its not odd ...

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On Fri, 2015-11-20 at 14:34 +, Ian Malone wrote: > > [1] Apparently middle mouse buttons are rare. I'm in an office This seems an odd assertion to me too, but it's only listed under "Additionally, reasons against keeping it", which implies it's only a secondary consideration. -- Adam

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decade are my old laptop Am I right, Ian? he refered to the nonsense at https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland/PrimarySelection and the other posts just confirm this Weitergeleitete Nachricht Betreff: Re: wayland in rawhide Datum: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 14:34:39 + Von: Ian

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On 12 November 2015 at 14:59, Ray Strode wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 5:51 AM, Jared K. Smith > wrote: >> I've been testing Wayland myself since around the F22 time period, but >> "middle click paste" and the occasional odd bug keep

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Am 20.11.2015 um 15:34 schrieb Ian Malone: On 12 November 2015 at 14:59, Ray Strode wrote: Hi, On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 5:51 AM, Jared K. Smith wrote: I've been testing Wayland myself since around the F22 time period, but "middle click paste"

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Dne 20.11.2015 v 13:23 Thomas Gilliard napsal(a): > > > On 11/20/2015 03:15 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: >> Dne 10.11.2015 v 20:54 Ray Strode napsal(a): >>> Hey guys, >>> >>> Today I built snapshots of gnome-session gdm gnome-shell and mutter >>> that change how we do sessions at the login screen. We'll

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Dne 10.11.2015 v 20:54 Ray Strode napsal(a): > Hey guys, > > Today I built snapshots of gnome-session gdm gnome-shell and mutter > that change how we do sessions at the login screen. We'll no longer > have separate items for GNOME and GNOME on Wayland. Instead they're > now both consolidated

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On 11/20/2015 03:15 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 10.11.2015 v 20:54 Ray Strode napsal(a): Hey guys, Today I built snapshots of gnome-session gdm gnome-shell and mutter that change how we do sessions at the login screen. We'll no longer have separate items for GNOME and GNOME on Wayland.

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Am 20.11.2015 um 17:45 schrieb Steve Clark: On 11/20/2015 09:34 AM, Ian Malone wrote: [1] Apparently middle mouse buttons are rare. I'm in an office surrounded by them and them only computers I've used without one for roughly the past decade are my old laptop (now moved on, but had emulated

Re: wayland in rawhide

On 11/20/2015 09:34 AM, Ian Malone wrote: On 12 November 2015 at 14:59, Ray Strode wrote: Hi, On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 5:51 AM, Jared K. Smith wrote: I've been testing Wayland myself since around the F22 time period, but "middle click paste" and

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On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:45:59 -0500, Steve Clark wrote: > I just did a quick walk around our office of approximately 70 people > and every mouse had 3 buttons. As far as the middle button paste > being an "easter-egg" it was documented in the "X Windows Systems > User Guide" on page 97 way back in

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On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 6:40 AM, Ray Strode wrote: > And we provide a config option to turn wayland off explicitly for > cases where users just want or need > to use X. > Can you please tell me where to find this config option, as I can't seem to find it -- and I'm getting

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Hi, On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Jared K. Smith wrote: > Can you please tell me where to find this config option, as I can't seem to > find it -- and I'm getting annoyed with Wayland enough to go back to X for a > week or two until things improve.

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> hi, > > > Here's one on Ironlake, with two monitors plugged in. > > > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750610 > > > > still not fixed, doesn't fall back. > Well, black screens obviously aren't good, and we should clearly fix this. > > If we don't get it fixed by closer to release,

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hi, > Here's one on Ironlake, with two monitors plugged in. > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750610 > > still not fixed, doesn't fall back. Well, black screens obviously aren't good, and we should clearly fix this. If we don't get it fixed by closer to release, than maybe it's a

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- Original Message - > From: "Ray Strode" <halfl...@gmail.com> > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > <devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> > Sent: Friday, 13 November, 2015 12:56:48 AM > Subject: Re: wayland in rawhide > >

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>>> That's fine. I don't have a problem adding "GNOME on Xorg" option to >>> the session >>> menu in the interim. I'll do it tomorrow. >> >> This is what the feature page said would happen in the first place. So >> I'm also confused why you didn't just do that. > Initially the feature page was

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> On Nov 12, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: > > On 12/11/15 00:58, David Airlie wrote: > >> Close all remaining feature parity gaps between the Wayland and the X11 >> session: >> >> input methods >> on-screen keyboard >> hi-dpi support >> clipboard proxy

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On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: > You forgot primary selection/middle click paste, which was what made me go > back to X when I tried it in F23. I've been testing Wayland myself since around the F22 time period, but "middle click paste" and the occasional

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On 12/11/15 10:51, Jared K. Smith wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Tom Hughes > wrote: You forgot primary selection/middle click paste, which was what made me go back to X when I tried it in F23. I've been testing Wayland myself since

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Am 12.11.2015 um 15:31 schrieb Dominique Martinet: It really didn't take me long after first using X-based interfaces to make use of the primary buffer, and I've pretty much never used ^C/^V ever since. I only ever touch the mouse when I need to select something to copy/paste it, so I'm not

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On 12/11/15 14:10, Chuck Anderson wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 10:59:02AM +, Tom Hughes wrote: On 12/11/15 10:51, Jared K. Smith wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Tom Hughes > wrote: You forgot primary selection/middle click paste,

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Hi, Tom Hughes wrote on Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 02:22:35PM +: > I think the bug explains fairly well why that is a bad idea. Sorry to butt in, but no, it explains why a handful of people think it is a bad idea, with another saying it's a good one. > It's not so much on the paste side, where

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On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 10:59:02AM +, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 12/11/15 10:51, Jared K. Smith wrote: > > >On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Tom Hughes >> wrote: > > > >You forgot primary selection/middle click paste, which was what made > >me go

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Am 12.11.2015 um 15:10 schrieb Chuck Anderson: On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 10:59:02AM +, Tom Hughes wrote: On 12/11/15 10:51, Jared K. Smith wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Tom Hughes > wrote: You forgot primary selection/middle click

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Am 12.11.2015 um 15:31 schrieb Dominique Martinet: It really didn't take me long after first using X-based interfaces to make use of the primary buffer, and I've pretty much never used ^C/^V ever since. I only ever touch the mouse when I need to select something to copy/paste it, so I'm not

Re: wayland in rawhide

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 10:05:54AM -0500, Ray Strode wrote: > Hi, > > > So I upgraded to F23 just around Alpha or Beta can’t remember and I’ve > > experienced some odd mouse / copy paste behaviour. I haven’t yet filed a > > bug but now I’m wondering… How do I know if I’m using Wayland? I’ve

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Hi, > This seems still still be confusing a lot of people, I see quite > regularly queries on some forums like G+ that when they upgrade to > anything post F-21 all they get is a black screen on boot. Is there > any way that if way for that to happen automatically where they don't > get to a gdm

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Hi, > So I upgraded to F23 just around Alpha or Beta can’t remember and I’ve > experienced some odd mouse / copy paste behaviour. I haven’t yet filed a bug > but now I’m wondering… How do I know if I’m using Wayland? I’ve never > specifically configured it so anything I’m experiencing in a

Re: wayland in rawhide

Hi, On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 5:51 AM, Jared K. Smith wrote: > I've been testing Wayland myself since around the F22 time period, but > "middle click paste" and the occasional odd bug keep annoying me enough to > go back to X. Can you elaborate on the plans for

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- Original Message - > From: "Josh Boyer" <jwbo...@fedoraproject.org> > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > <devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 8:05:27 PM > Subject: Re: wayland in rawh

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Hi, On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 4:32 PM, David Airlie wrote: > I'd rather we waited until wayland sessions are feature equivalent with X. Note this is in rawhide, early in the Fedora 24 devel cycle. If things don't work out, going back isn't hard. > Sweeping this under the

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On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 7:58 PM, David Airlie wrote: > >> That's fine. I don't have a problem adding "GNOME on Xorg" option to >> the session >> menu in the interim. I'll do it tomorrow. > > This is what the feature page said would happen in the first place. So > I'm also

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On 11 November 2015 at 18:05, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 7:58 PM, David Airlie wrote: >> >>> That's fine. I don't have a problem adding "GNOME on Xorg" option to >>> the session >>> menu in the interim. I'll do it tomorrow. >> >>

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Hi, On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 7:58 PM, David Airlie wrote: > >> That's fine. I don't have a problem adding "GNOME on Xorg" option to >> the session >> menu in the interim. I'll do it tomorrow. > > This is what the feature page said would happen in the first place. So > I'm

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On 12/11/15 00:58, David Airlie wrote: Close all remaining feature parity gaps between the Wayland and the X11 session: input methods on-screen keyboard hi-dpi support clipboard proxy for xwayland attached modal dialogs tablet support startup notification

Re: wayland in rawhide

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 06:16:55PM -0500, Ray Strode wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 3:35 PM, David Airlie wrote: > > Maybe trialing GNOME on wayland as the default is premature but removing > > the option > > on login to use GNOME on X is definitely. As such I

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> That's fine. I don't have a problem adding "GNOME on Xorg" option to > the session > menu in the interim. I'll do it tomorrow. This is what the feature page said would happen in the first place. So I'm also confused why you didn't just do that. > > I will say you're coming off (to me

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> Hi, > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 4:32 PM, David Airlie wrote: > > I'd rather we waited until wayland sessions are feature equivalent with X. > Note this is in rawhide, early in the Fedora 24 devel cycle. If things don't > work out, going back isn't hard. > > > Sweeping

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Hi, On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 3:35 PM, David Airlie wrote: > Maybe trialing GNOME on wayland as the default is premature but removing the > option > on login to use GNOME on X is definitely. As such I respectfully ask you put > that > option back in rawhide. So just to be

wayland in rawhide

Hey guys, Today I built snapshots of gnome-session gdm gnome-shell and mutter that change how we do sessions at the login screen. We'll no longer have separate items for GNOME and GNOME on Wayland. Instead they're now both consolidated under the GNOME item. That item will use wayland if it can,

Re: wayland in rawhide

> Today I built snapshots of gnome-session gdm gnome-shell and mutter > that change how we do sessions at the login screen. We'll no longer > have separate items for GNOME and GNOME on Wayland. Instead they're > now both consolidated under the GNOME item. That item will use > wayland if it can,